Sheenor:
Okay.... How about that of Catholic and Islam? Which came first??

annunaki2:


The roman catholic church predates islam by over 500 years. that should give you a hint.

Sheenor:
I need answer to this please. Google seems to be of no help to me. Between the Catholic Rosary and the Islamic prayer beeds which one of them came first. i.e Who start using it. I know they are two different things, but I want to know the idea behind it. Thanks..

johnydon22:
Hinduism praying beads actually came first

Anas09:

Olay. So between the Catholic and Islam, which started using beats first?

ValentineMary:

Actually I think the islamic beads came first. The catholic rosary started in the year 1214 at Toulouse in France when St Dominic claimed the virgin Mary appeared to him. But the Islamic beads has been used since the time of Mohammed (64 A.D) though then it was disjoint pebbles used to recite the 99 attributes of Allah

johnydon22:


This is incorrect

Muhammed was born in the 6th century 500s, 570AD to be precise and he never used beads rather counted with his hands beads were later inventions to subtitute muhammed's hand counting practise.

Catholic bead counting prayers began as early as 3rd century, the Rosary in particular is the one you are referring to which began in the 1200s by saint dominic

Anas09:

Jon, Catholic Church as an organised religion started in the 4th Century, not third. So how could they have started counting beads by then.
By third Cenrury Christianity wasnt yet a state religion, and the Christians prior to Catholicism never use beads.

johnydon22:


Christianity was made a state roman religion late 4th century but Christianity existed in Rome long before then.

Now to put to rest whether Early Christians used prayer beads let me then quote a wikipedia source since saying it myself won't be accepted as a credible source.

" The Desert Fathers of the 3rd to 5th centuries, used pebbles or knotted ropes
to count prayers, typically the Jesus Prayer ("Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God,
have mercy on me, a sinner". The invention is attributed to Anthony the Great
or his associate Pachomius the Great in the 4th century."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_beads

Sheenor:
I need answer to this please. Google seems to be of no help to me. Between the Catholic Rosary and the Islamic prayer beeds which one of them came first. i.e Who start using it. I know they are two different things, but I want to know the idea behind it. Thanks..

Sheenor:
I need answer to this please. Google seems to be of no help to me. Between the Catholic Rosary and the Islamic prayer beeds which one of them came first. i.e Who start using it. I know they are two different things, but I want to know the idea behind it. Thanks..

Sheenor:
I need answer to this please. Google seems to be of no help to me. Between the Catholic Rosary and the Islamic prayer beeds which one of them came first. i.e Who start using it. I know they are two different things, but I want to know the idea behind it. Thanks..

Sheenor:
Okay.... How about that of Catholic and Islam? Which came first??

ValentineMary:

Actually I think the islamic beads came first. The catholic rosary started in the year 1214 at Toulouse in France when St Dominic claimed the virgin Mary appeared to him. But the Islamic beads has been used since the time of Mohammed (64 A.D) though then it was disjoint pebbles used to recite the 99 attributes of Allah

johnydon22:

I'd say Catholic...

Early Church fathers used praying beads as early as 3rd century AD (Not necessarly for rosary recitations as found today)

Islam bead praying is directly due to muhammed's practise of using his fingers to count his prayers which was later substituted with beads in Islam.

So catholic (Christian) beads came first.

Anas09:

Jon, Catholic Church as an organised religion started in the 4th Century, not third. So how could they have started counting beads by then.
By third Cenrury Christianity wasnt yet a state religion, and the Christians prior to Catholicism never use beads.

Sheenor:


Yeah! that's right,[s] it's obvious islam copy the Roman Catholic Church on this[/s].. What a religion. Smh.....

Anas09:

No doubt Christianity was in Rome as early as the first Century. But then it wasn't organized. It wasn't known by any name. Christians then gathered in underground cellers and homes for worship. They were no "Church Fathers" then. Christianity was purely following the handed down letters or epistles handed down by the Prophets and Apostles.
If any Church Father's claims they counted beads before Christianity was lifted from the dungeon to the palace, that "Church Father" lied. And from when did you Johnnydon started taking Wikipedia and it's sources sriously? I hope you know, you can place an article on Wikipedia?
Beads counting or chanting has no roots in Christianity. Not at all.

Ubenedictus:
Not true, catholicism as an organised religion predates the 4th century, the historic writting are there for anyone who cares, by d 2nd century xtian communities have been organised under bishops, priests and deacons, bishop were already excercising their authority and later times hold councils among themselves.

in rome xtianity was pretty organised from about d 1st century, b4 d apostles died bishop were already appointed, presbyter and deacon were under d bishop. the bishop of rome were also settling issues of churches around it.
d church ws organised even b4 it bcame an official religion. and on the topic xtian beads do predat muslim beads.

Ubenedictus:
Actually bead counting didnt start in d 'palace' it started in d desert. there are church fathers that come from before the 4th century eg st Justin, THE CHURCH WAS NAMED CATHOLIC LONG BEFORE D 4TH CENTURY. The church was organised even when in d catacombs.

Ubenedictus:
Actually bead counting didnt start in d 'palace' it started in d desert. there are church fathers that come from before the 4th century eg st Justin, THE CHURCH WAS NAMED CATHOLIC LONG BEFORE D 4TH CENTURY. The church was organised even when in d catacombs.

lexiconkabir:


When you don't know something you keep mute, you'll have to prove that Muhammad pbuh used beads to count.... Only then you can attribute it to Islam.

Ubenedictus:
They said muhammad pbuh used his hands to count his prayes not beads.

Anas09:

Really? Under which Roman Emperor was the Church named "The Roman Catholic Church?" was it before or after the Edict of Milan was passed?

lexiconkabir:


I dont remember quoting u

Anas09:

I have just one question. Was there a Roman Catholic Church before Emperor Nero was enthroned as the Emperor of Rome?

Ubenedictus:
This is a public forum anybody can quote anybody.

lexiconkabir:

That doesn't change the fact that i don't remember quoting you.

Ubenedictus:
Yes there was.

Anas09:

You realize Emperor Nero reigned in the first century?

Anas09:

You realize Emperor Nero reigned in the first century?

Anas09:

You realize Emperor Nero reigned in the first century?