.And is Obama as US president, now following Kissingers doctrine (evil eye and all) and frantically "depopulating" himself?

i dont think you understand the issues - first of all Obama is a a frontman for a powerful elite who are the real power brokers, therefore he would be expected to follow their agenda which includes depopulation policies, this doesnt mean that he would be "depopulating himself" as you put it, it would simply mean that he would be expected to support and pass through any legislation aimed at promoting depopulation policies. 

Obama's current health care and policy adviser, a Dr Ezekiel Emmanuel is an ardent supporter of depopulation ideology or eugenics, Emmanuel beleives that health care should be rationed and provided to only those who can participate fully in society - which means that if you are elderly and suffering from dementia or young and disabled with learning difficulties you could be denied health care on the grounds that you are not able to fully participate in society.  if you look at the intention behind this you could argue that these are attempts to introduce a gradual depopulation of american society by removing so called undesirables or people who are regarded as burdens on society.

When people come up with this sort of far fetched shit, it can be entertaining, but I remember watching some guys called heavens gate and having a laugh with the rest of my folk. They were going to be raptured by flying saucers hanging on the tail of a comet; then a couple of days later, they had all committed mass suicide.
We should be really careful.

http://www.heavensgate.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(religious_group)

OH MY GOSH!!! Roflmao!!! That came from an adult educated mind?? Roflmao!!

^na so we see am o! They even ran around the place in some wacky plastic space suits and other toyish stuff.

The human mind can be a miracle.

Kobojunkie:

OH MY GOSH!!! Roflmao!!! That came from an adult educated mind?? Roflmao!!

Beaf:

When people come up with this sort of far fetched shit, it can be entertaining, but I remember watching some guys called heavens gate and having a laugh with the rest of my folk. They were going to be raptured by flying saucers hanging on the tail of a comet; then a couple of days later, they had all committed mass suicide.
We should be really careful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(religious_group)

oyb:

heheheh

wikipedia is not reliable - but an article from a kook [/b]on the internet is? 

2005 reports are not reliable, but the 1998 report of dr boyd is reliable 

how come he is the only one to have made this discovery?

[b]we all know that you have a weird obseesion with how the whiteman is resposible for holding the blackman down etal - heck some have said that somewhere in the religion you stated that er your God er spoke to you and[b] told you Jesus is black or some such[/b]. so its no real surprise that you're here again , feeding your neurosis with ever more absurd conspiracy theories - all the while blathering about your - academic research -

you're simply being a black james watson (without the accolades)

 

1. Ignore everything that no2atheism HAS said as concerns the topic - CHECK
2. Go down the route of melodrama - CHECK
3. Pretend to say something of meaningful contribution to the topic. - CHECK
4. Ignore the fact that what Boyd Greaves presents and says are actually fact checkable from the government itself and have been put under scrutiny - CHECK
5. Ignore Historical precedents - CHECK
6. A muslim claiming that the Messiah is White - CHECK
7. Call Boyd Greaves a kook (without evidence) - CHECK
8. Use straw man's argument of linking the issue to Flying Saucers as a means of ridicule - CHECK
9. Use more melodrama and make the loudest noise - CHECK

Hmmm am i missing something else from the responses . . .  

@others

Those that seek to contribute can do so and note that:

- This topic is not a personal opinion about how HIV AIDS is transmitted.

- Instead it is a discussion into the historical origin and purposes of the HIV AIDS virus itself


. . . people should please take time to properly read the topic first, before posting their replies otherwise it makes them look hmm hmm very bad research-wise, . . . it does not bode well for replies that go way off mark as regards to the purpose of the thread.

FURTHER COMPARED AND CONTRASTED POINTS AS REGARDS THE TOPIC ARE WELCOMED . . .


sorry if i am not responding immediately, instead i intend to vet response that i end up responding to, so as not to go off topic.
Those who know me on this forum know that i don't do melodrama (hence i would gladly ignore all irrelevancies  )  while prefering to listen to well thought out responses in relation to the valid points raised by Boyd Graeves.

When people come up with this sort of far fetched shit, it can be entertaining, but I remember watching some guys called heavens gate and having a laugh with the rest of my folk. They were going to be raptured by flying saucers hanging on the tail of a comet; then a couple of days later, they had all committed mass suicide.
We should be really careful.

what on earth has the above got to do with the possibility of hiv aids being a manufactured disease in order to advance the depopulation of blacks.  

braindead dimwits like you who cant read and dont understand what is going on around them are usually the kind of people who end up in cults and religious sects, i have a feeling you are actually IN one.  

if all of this is way above your intellectual ability why dont you move over to the under fives discussion message board where the topics under discussion will be more in tune with your infantile mental ability its obvious from your responses that your brain is incapable of processing any of this as it is way too complicated for what you are normally used to.

im done trying to reason with a cretin with an IQ of minus 500!!!

^Where have I come across this sort of thing before?

http://www.heavensgate.com/
The plonkers really believed in their gods coming to take them away in flying saucers.

. . .Furher Henry Kissinger. . .

Your evidence is loaded with bunkum. . . Don't tell me you are an academic who is to puritanical to quote wikipedia; yet you belittle your intellect with such a low quality post.

Is that an insinuation that Kissinger is a Nazi? Damn!

The weird, the wacky and the wonderful!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS#History

AIDS was first reported June 5, 1981, when the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) recorded a cluster of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (now still classified as PCP but known to be caused by Pneumocystis jirovecii) in[b] five homosexual men in Los Angeles.[/b][138] In the beginning, the CDC did not have an official name for the disease, often referring to it by way of the diseases that were associated with it, for example, lymphadenopathy, the disease after which the discoverers of HIV originally named the virus.[70][71] They also used Kaposi's Sarcoma and Opportunistic Infections, the name by which a task force had been set up in 1981.[139] In the general press, the term GRID, which stood for Gay-related immune deficiency, had been coined.[140] The CDC, in search of a name, and looking at the infected communities coined “the 4H disease,” as it seemed to single out Haitians, homosexuals, hemophiliacs, and heroin users.[141] However, after determining that AIDS was not isolated to the homosexual community,[139] the term GRID became misleading and AIDS was introduced at a meeting in July 1982.[142] By September 1982 the CDC started using the name AIDS, and properly defined the illness.[143]

A more controversial theory known as the OPV AIDS hypothesis suggests that the AIDS epidemic was inadvertently started in the late 1950s in the Belgian Congo by Hilary Koprowski's research into a poliomyelitis vaccine.[144][145] According to scientific consensus, this scenario is not supported by the available evidence.[146][147][148]

A recent study states that HIV probably moved from Africa to Haiti and then entered the United States around 1969.[149]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_AIDS

1955–1957: British printer (possible AIDS death)

The oldest documented possible case of the then-unknown syndrome was thought to have been detected in 1959, when a 25-year-old British printer (usually referred to, mistakenly, as a sailor) who had travelled in the navy between 1955 and 1957 (but apparently not to Africa) sought help at the Royal Infirmary of Manchester, England. He reported to have been suffering from puzzling symptoms, among them purplish skin lesions, for nearly two years. His condition had taken a turn for worse during Christmas 1958, when he started suffering from shortness of breath, extreme fatigue, rapid weight loss, night sweats and high fever. The doctors thought he might be suffering from tuberculosis and, even though they found no evidence of bacterial infection, they treated him for tuberculosis just to be safe, to no avail. The printer continued to weaken and he died shortly after in August 1959. His autopsy revealed evidence of two unusual infections, cytomegalovirus and Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP, later, when redetermined as P. jirovecii, renamed Pneumocystis pneumonia), very rare at the time but now commonly associated with AIDS patients. His case had puzzled his doctors, who preserved tissue samples from him and for years retained some interest in solving the mystery.

Sir Robert Platt, then president of the Royal College of Physicians, wrote in the printer's hospital chart that he wondered "If we are in for a new wave of virus disease now that the bacterial illnesses are so nearly conquered". It was only 31 years later, after the AIDS pandemic had become well-known and widespread, that they decided to perform HIV-tests on the preserved tissues of the printer, which initially turned out a positive result. While the case was reported in the July 7, 1990 issue of the British medical journal The Lancet, their claim was retracted in a letter in the January 20, 1996 issue where they reported that the tissue sample had become contaminated in the laboratory.[16][17][18]

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1959: Congolese man

One of the earliest documented HIV-1 infections was discovered in a preserved blood sample taken in 1959 from a man from Leopoldville, Belgian Congo (now Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo).[19] However, it is unknown whether this anonymous person ever developed AIDS and died of its complications.[19]

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1960: Congolese woman

A second early documented HIV-1 infection was discovered in a preserved lymph node biopsy sample taken in 1960 from a woman from Leopoldville, Belgian Congo.[2]

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1969: Robert R.

In 1969, a 15-year-old African-American male known to medicine as Robert R. died at the St. Louis City Hospital from aggressive Kaposi's sarcoma. AIDS was suspected as early as 1984, and in 1987, researchers at Tulane University School of Medicine confirmed this, finding HIV-1 in his preserved blood and tissues. The doctors who worked on his case at the time suspected he was a prostitute, though the patient did not discuss his sexual history with them in detail.[20][21][22][23][24]

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1969: Arvid Noe

In 1976, a Norwegian sailor named Arvid Noe, his wife, and his nine-year-old daughter died of AIDS. The sailor had first presented symptoms in 1969, eight years after he first spent time in ports along the West African coastline. A gonorrhea infection during his first African voyage shows he was sexually active at this time. Tissue samples from the sailor and his wife were tested in 1988 and found to contain the HIV-1 virus (Group O).[25][26][27]

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Spread to the western hemisphere

HIV-1 strains are thought to have arrived in the United States from Haiti in the late 1960s or early 1970s.[28] HIV-1 is believed to have arrived in Haiti from central Africa, possibly through professional contacts with the Democratic Republic of the Congo.[29]

Because of the long incubation period of HIV (up to a decade or longer) before symptoms of AIDS appear, and because of the initially low incidence, AIDS was not noticed at first. By the time the first reported cases of AIDS were found in large United States cities, the prevalence of HIV infection in some communities had passed 5%.[30] Worldwide, HIV infection has spread from urban to rural areas, and has appeared in regions such as China and India.

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Canadian flight attendant theory

A Canadian airline steward named Gaëtan Dugas was referred to as "Patient 0" in an early AIDS study by Dr. William Darrow of the Centers for Disease Control. Many people consider Dugas to be responsible for bringing HIV to North America. This is considered inaccurate, as HIV had spread long before Dugas began his career. This rumor may have started with Randy Shilts' 1987 book And the Band Played On (and the movie based on it, in which Dugas is referred to as AIDS' Patient Zero), but neither the book nor the movie state him to have been the first to bring the virus to North America. He was called "Patient Zero" because at least 40 of the 248 people known to be infected by AIDS in 1983 had had sexual intercourse with him, or with someone who had sexual intercourse with him.

The current consensus is that HIV was introduced to North America by a Haitian immigrant who contracted it while working in the Democratic Republic of the Congo in the late 1960s, or from another person who worked there during that time.[31]

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1981–2: From GRID to AIDS

The AIDS epidemic officially began on June 5, 1981, when the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report newsletter reported unusual clusters of Pneumocystis pneumonia (PCP) caused by a form of Pneumocystis carinii (now recognized as a distinct species Pneumocystis jirovecii) in five homosexual men in Los Angeles.[32]

Over the next 18 months, more PCP clusters were discovered among otherwise healthy men in cities throughout the country, along with other opportunistic diseases (such as Kaposi's sarcoma[33] and persistent, generalized lymphadenopathy[34]), common in immunosuppressed patients.

In June 1982, a report of a group of cases amongst gay men in Southern California suggested that a sexually transmitted infectious agent might be the etiological agent,[35] and the syndrome was initially termed "GRID", or gay-related immune deficiency.[36]

Health authorities soon realized that nearly half of the people identified with the syndrome were not homosexual men. The same opportunistic infections were also reported among hemophiliacs,[37] heterosexual intravenous drug users, and Haitian immigrants.[38]

By August 1982, the disease was being referred to by its new CDC-coined name: Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS).[39]

contrast this timeline with boyd graves timeline

http://www.gene.ch/gentech/2001/Feb/msg00017.html

Beginning in 1963 and for every year thereafter, the "Special Virus" program conducted annual progress reviews at Hershey Medical Center, Hershey, PA. The annual meetings are representative of the aggressive nature in which the United States pursued the development of AIDS.

In 1964, the United States Congress gave full support for the leukemia/lymphoma (AIDS) virus research.

In 1967, the National Academy of Sciences launched a full scale assault on Africa. The CIA (Technical Services Division) acknowledged its secret inoculator program.

In 1969, Fort Detrick told world scientists and the Pentagon asked for more money, they knew they could make AIDS. Nixon’s July 18 secret memo to Congress on "Overpopulation" serves as the start of the paper trail of the AIDS Holocaust.

In 1970, President Nixon signed PL91-213 and John D. Rockefeller, III became the "Population Czar." Nixon’s August 10 National Security Memo leaves no doubt as to the genocidal nature of depopulation.

some of the greater absurdities in the good dr boyd's report

In 1972, the United States and the Soviet Union entered into a biological agreement that would signal the death knell for the Black Population. The 1972 agreement for collaboration and cooperation in the development of offensive biological agents is still U. S. policy.

In 1974, Furher Henry Kissinger releases his NSSM-200 (U.S. Plan to Address Overpopulation). It is the only issue of discussion at the World Population Conference in Bucharest, Romania. • The men in the shadows had won, the whole world agrees to secretly cull Africa’s population. Today it is Africa and other undesirables. Tomorrow it may be you.

http://www.population-security.org/28-APP2.html. the full NSSM-200

just one excerpt from a very big document - wonder why the good doctor failed to provide actual excerpts from the fuhrer's plan

e U.S. should encourage heightened international interest in and commitment of resources to developing delivery mechanisms for providing integrated health and family planning services to neglected populations at costs which host countries can support within a reasonable period of time. Efforts would include:

1. Encouraging the World Bank and other international funding mechanisms, through the U.S. representatives on the boards of these organizations, to take a broader initiative in the development of inexpensive service delivery mechanisms in countries wishing to expand such systems.

2. Indicating U.S. willingness (as the U.S. did at the World Population Conference) to join with other donors and organizations to encourage and support further action by LDC governments and other institutions in the low-cost delivery systems area.

A. As offered at Bucharest, the U.S. should join donor countries, WHO, UNFPA, UNICEF and the World Bank to create a consortium to offer assistance to the more needy developing countries to establish their own low-cost preventive and curative public health systems reaching into all areas of their countries and capable of national support within a reasonable period. Such systems would include family planning services as an ordinary part of their overall services.

B. The WHO should be asked to take the leadership in such an arrangement and is ready to do so. Apparently at least half of the potential donor countries and the EEC's technical assistance program are favorably inclined. So is the UNFPA and UNICEF. The U.S., through its representation on the World Bank Board, should encourage a broader World Bank initiative in this field, particularly to assist in the development of inexpensive, basic health service infrastructures in countries wishing to undertake the development of such systems.

In 1976, the United States issues Progress Report #13 of the Special Virus program. The report proves the United States had various international agreements with the Russians, Germans, British, French, Canadians and Japanese. The plot to kill Black people has wide international support. In March, the Special Virus began production of the AIDS virus, by June 1977, the program will have produced 15,000 gallons of AIDS. President Jimmy Carter allows for the continuation of the secret plan to cull the Black Population.

In 1977, Dr. Robert Gallo and the top Soviet Scientists meet to discuss the proliferation of the 15,000 gallons of AIDS. They attach AIDS as complement to the Small pox vaccine for Africa, and the "experimental" hepatitis B vaccine for Manhattan. According to authors June Goodfield and Alan Cantwell, it is Batch #751 that was administered in New York to thousands of innocent people. This government will never be able to repay the people for the social rape, humiliation and out right prejudice people with HIV/AIDS face on a daily basis. The men in the shadows of the AIDS curtain accurately calculated that you would not care if only Blacks and gays are dying. In fact you don’t care that nearly a half million Gulf War veterans are encumbered with something contagious. Soon there will be no more Black people and a confused military, older White people will start suddenly dying and you still won’t get it. Be here now for us, give us a chance to be there for you.

so what was the fate of those thousands?


note that there are NO documents corroborating all these highlighted claims.

Oyb and his wikipedia citations. How did he survive intellectually before the commencement of wiki?

No2Atheism:


In 1974, Furher Henry Kissinger,

Henry Kissinger was of Jewish descent and fleed the Nazi Germany

cap28:



Obama's current health care and policy adviser, a Dr Ezekiel Emmanuel is an ardent supporter of depopulation ideology or eugenics, Emmanuel beleives that health care should be rationed and provided to only those who can participate fully in society - which means that if you are elderly and suffering from dementia or young and disabled with learning difficulties you could be denied health care on the grounds that you are not able to fully participate in society.  if you look at the intention behind this you could argue that these are attempts to introduce a gradual depopulation of american society by removing so called undesirables or people who are regarded as burdens on society.

Ezekiel Emmanuel opposes euthanasia, which does not seem to conform with your arguments. Betsy McCaughey deliberately misrepresented the truth in this case. Such baseless arguments should not be put in place to malign people or to support arguments

Pataki:

Oyb and his wikipedia citations. How did he survive intellectually before the commencement of wiki?

see who is talking - how would u survive without the Internet which enabled you to plagiarize negro and ibime's counter disses

na because of the same internet some people can come and blow opata theories about how the white race engaged in a conspiracy to decimate blacks

oyb:


contrast this timeline with boyd graves timeline

http://www.gene.ch/gentech/2001/Feb/msg00017.html
some of the greater absurdities in the good dr boyd's report

1. Finally oyb is starting to use his thinking faculty and not a jihadic dogmatic mentality  .

2. A Few Good Questions . . . to which i have no answer, because I am not here to defend Boyd Greaves instead i want sound academic presentation as to how he could have been wrong . . . @oyb please remember i said academic argument not[b] wikitainment[/b].

note that there are NO documents corroborating all these highlighted claims. 

Haba again u are starting to go off the bend . . . they are events wit date i.e. things that happened in time off which common sense says u can check with the Library of Congress as to whether or not those things actually happened geez do i have to do your thinking for you dooh 

http://www.population-security.org/28-APP2.html. the full  NSSM-200

just one excerpt from a very big document - wonder why the good doctor failed to provide actual excerpts from the fuhrer's plan 

so what was the fate of those thousands?

.

1. More melodrama
2. Its an open secret that Kissinger does not hide his intentions . . . never knew you had become a PR for him.
3. " . . .  wonder why the good doctor failed to provide actual excerpts from the fuhrer's plan  . . . '' cough cough hmmm hmmm hmmm cough cough  . . . you just answered your own question here '' . . . just one excerpt from a very big document - . . .''
4. Hmm Hmm PR Oyb have you read the document that you are referring to  or did you just wikisearch it to find counter arguments 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS#History


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_AIDS

Please nooooooooooooooooooooooo    not more quoting of wikipedia . . .  pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 

coming from a guy who believes in allah and the quran , hmm i am not suprised. I would suggest you also include Microsoft Encarta while you are at it.

I was about to hail you , then gbam u did it again and I started losing respect for your statements the moment you started using Wikipedia again  .

For goodness sake oyb how many times does it have to smack you in the head i.e. Wikipedia is not a reliable source to be quoted in matters of academic and historical accuracy.

For goodness sake excercise this brain and find better sources.

You are accusing Boyd of being a  kook yet here you are quoting from an unreliable source as if its the reliable quran  (pun intended)   

z-murda:

Henry Kissinger was of Jewish descent and fleed the Nazi Germany


Ezekiel Emmanuel opposes euthanasia, which does not seem to conform with your arguments. Betsy McCaughey deliberately misrepresented the truth in this case. Such baseless arguments should not be put in place to malign people or to support arguments

Nice points, i welcome good arguments like these and not the melodrama that i have been seeing . . .

Betsy McCaughey deliberately misrepresented the truth in this case

Please can u expanciate more on the so called deliberate misrepresentation of the truth.

1. Which truth was misrepresented.
2. How was it misrepresented.
3. When was it misrepresented.

@others

1. Please i would be glad if this thread is not derailed.

2. Other people posting irrelevancy without really bringing anything to the table in terms of sound academic arguments, i would suggest you use other areas of nairaland to increase your post count instead of this thread.
Please i beg you, let this thread remain as a sound expose of how Boyd can be right or wrong.

Thank you

i trust our resident spammer

we all know that he actually believes that oyinbos 'created ' hiv. was he not the one going on about tuskgee airmen and biological warfare? when called out he retreats to the skirts of 'academic argument ' you should be ashamed of yourself - did you even read through the drivel you originally posted? if you did you would not have posted the embarrassing article in the first place.

1. Please i would be glad if this thread is not derailed.

stop being a hypocrite - you have repeatedly tried to derail this thread with your snide references to Islam. why are you even bothering us? shebi your god spoke to you and told you jesus is black - ask him , instead of spamming the politics board with conspiracy theories that belong in the back page of the sun

Ezekiel Emmanuel opposes euthanasia, which does not seem to conform with your arguments. Betsy McCaughey deliberately misrepresented the truth in this case. Such baseless arguments should not be put in place to malign people or to support arguments

Ezekiel Emmanuel wrote an article in  1996 setting out how medical care should be rationed, favouring an approach which guaranteed medical care to people who were active and denying care to the elderly he used the example of an elderly person with dementia and stated that such a person would not be guaranteed to receive health care, yes he hasnt openly stated that he supports euthanasia but if you state that you will not guarantee treatment to a person over a certain age who is suffering from certain types of illnessess are you not implicitly favouring euthanasia?  also emmanuel favours the use of "living wills" where (elderly) patients are counselled on making decisions that center around shortening their lives in order to save on govt expenditure.   in january this year emmanuel went on the record to back a policy which favours giving priority to younger (active) people who are ill rather than older people, therefore to call that a baseless argument shows just how removed from reality people like you are - please at least do the research before you get on your high horse about things you know nothing about.

Henry Kissinger was of Jewish descent and fleed the Nazi Germany

so?? i dont understand the significance of this statement - yes he fled persecution from nazi germany but he played an active part in rehabilitating thousands of nazi scientists in the US who were responsible for the genocide of jews - please read about the role he played in operation paperclip after the second world war - Kissinger is an ardent advocate of the genocide of non white people as set out in his memo NSSM 200 written in 1974 whilst he was national security adviser during the Nixon administration.

oyb:

stop being a hypocrite - you have repeatedly tried to derail this thread with your snide references to Islam. why are you even bothering us? shebi your god spoke to you and told you jesus is black - ask him , instead of spamming the politics board with conspiracy theories that belong in the back page of the sun 

oyb:

i trust our resident spammer 

we all know that he actually believes that oyinbos 'created ' hiv. was he not the one going on about tuskgee airmen and biological warfare? when called out he retreats to the skirts of 'academic argument ' you should be ashamed of yourself - did you even read through the drivel you originally posted? if you did you would not have posted the embarrassing article in the first place.

Okay u have been heard now hop along . . .  or do i have to sprinkle you with islamic holy water 


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. . . . . One truly has to weep for Africa if family men like[b] oyb [/b]exhibit this level of historical ignorance and geo-political naivety . . . . . . 

For the record, in case other people want to know where i stand on this topic.

1. Yes i find what Boyd to be[b] very very very plausible [/b]going by historical precedents, current geo-politics and evidences presented by Boyd.

2. Yes i am guilty of prefering academic references and non-wikipedia references for the simple reason that its on record that organisations like the CIA have been caught red-handed editing Wikipedia information (probably for propanganda purpose). Hence if disinformation through wikipedia was not important, then CIA would not be doing it . . . as reported here . Hence common sense tells everyone that it means for matters of strict accuracy, wikipedia simply cannot be trusted (unless u are called oyb  ).

Before you claim you don't believe that CIA was caught editing wikipedia, the following are pages reporting that same . . . knock yourself out.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6579

http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/08/wiki_tracker

[url]http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/08/14/the-cia-really-is-editing-wikipedia/[/url]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6947532.stm

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1642896020070816



3. However if u take time to actually study the topic before responding, you would notice that it was presented in the form of a question (meaning that even though i find it plausible, nevertheless I am still a sceptic hence open to contrary opinions that can invalidate what Boyd said). Yes off course i understand that its your personal goal to oppose no2atheism since no2atheism does not believe in the crap of allah the moon god and mohammed the peadophile.


4. Yes the Messiah is Black deal with it . . . (ooops sorry that would mean islam cannot link the Bible to catholic idolatory since most of islams so called gripe is with catholism . . . my bad now i understand your gripe  ) -  The Bible says so in black and white, i don't do dogmas i deal with historical and biblical facts. Anyone (and I seriously mean anyone) that says the Messiah is white can kindly show me the verse or verses of the bible that says so ( oops my bad there is none  ).


5. Oyb heya sorry yes i know u want to strangle me or deal with me for being very blunt with islam, oops sorry no can do . . .

was he not the one going on about tuskgee airmen and biological warfare?

6. I think u better break your fast earlier today, cus it seems hunger is making you confuse me with someone else 


7. Yes i don't completely support Boyd for the simple reason that i am not dogmatic, hence i am open to arguments that accurately show where and how he is wrong (THIS MEANS THAT I AM NOT DOGMATICALLY BELIEVING EVERYTHING HE HAS PRESENTED INSTEAD I AM WILLING AND ABLE TO CHANGE MY OWN PERSONAL CONCLUSION BASED ON CONTRARY EVIDENCE). Yet till now i am yet to see one from our esteemed wikitourist (oyb)  and others that seem to term as conspiracy, everything that shakes up their worldview.

FURTHER CONTRIBUTION TO THE THREAD IS WELCOMED . . .

oyb:

see who is talking - how would u survive without the Internet which enabled you to plagiarize negro and ibime's counter disses

Are you on hallucination pills? Do you just want to make do with words to depict you can also type in English language? Plagiarize negro and Ibime's counter disses? Where? Cheap lies to make sound as what?

oyb:
na because of the same internet some people can come and blow opata theories about how the white race engaged in a conspiracy to decimate blacks

And wikipedia has the best answer for you intellectually, to refute these opata theories? Carry on!

In academics, you deal with your eyes, ears and logic. In this case what Boyd is saying sounds very very plausbile as far as academic logic is concerned. Nevertheless academic logic requires there to be a review process of what is being said, so as to remove all possibilities of doubt.

They say pictures are worth a thousand words, hence below are pictures showing part of the reason why i find what Dr. Boyd is saying to be plausible . . .

Additional pictures showing part of the reason why i find what Dr. Boyd is saying to be plausible . . .

Additional pictures showing part of the reason why i find what Dr. Boyd is saying to be plausible . . .

Is it possible for Boyd to be wrong - Yes absolutely.
Has anyone shown that Boyd is wrong so far - Not Yet.

In as much as Boyd can be wrong in certain cases , nevertheless i find it astounding that oyb and others are displaying a disgusting level of academic and legal naivety, because common sense tells anyone that since Boyd has already taking his case to court, it means most (if not all) of is deposition as concern this case would have been strictly scrutinised within the US Legal system (which people know to be litigious and unfriendly).

This means this attempt by oyb and in some cases Beaf to ridicule the deposition of Dr. Boyd by trying to tie him to kookoo conspiracy theorist is nothing short of distasteful.

Hence once again i say, that anyone that does not have anything constructive and academically intelligent to say would do well to watch and study the responses of others before making a contribution to the thread . . .

Its better wen people keep quiet and let people think they are smart, rather than speak and confirm the opposite.

In 1969, Fort Detrick told world scientists and the Pentagon asked for more money, they knew they could make AIDS. Nixon’s July 18 secret memo to Congress on “Overpopulation” serves as the start of the paper trail of the AIDS Holocaust.

this seems to tally up with the following:  

1969: On June 9, 1969, Dr. D.M. McArtor, then Deputy Director of Research and Technology for the Department of Defense, appeared before the House Subcommittee on Appropriations to request funding for a project to produce a synthetic biological agent for which humans have not yet acquired a natural immunity. Dr. McArtor asked for $10 million dollars to produce this agent over the next 5-10 years. The Congressional Record reveals that according to the plan for the development of this germ agent, the most important characteristic of the new disease would be "that it might be refractory [resistant] to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease". AIDS first appeared as a public health risk ten years later, appearing first in a population of gay men who had been subjects in a test of a new Hepatitas vaccine. In 1989, work by Alan Cantwell Jr., M.D. linking AIDS to the hepatitis B viral vaccine experiments was suppressed at the 1989 AIDS International Conference by officials of the World Health Organization.


and see this:

1970: Funding for the synthetic biological agent is obtained under H.R. 15090. The project, under the supervision of the CIA, is carried out by the Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick, the army's top secret biological weapons facility. Speculation is raised that molecular biology techniques are used to produce AIDS-like retroviruses.

1970: United States intensifies its development of "ethnic weapons" (Military Review, Nov., 1970), designed to selectively target and eliminate specific ethnic groups who are susceptible due to genetic differences and variations in DNA.
1972: President Nixon announced a ban on the production and use of biological (but not chemical) warfare agents. However, as the Army's own experts reveal, this ban is meaningless because the studies required to protect against biological warfare weapons are generally indistinguishable from those to develop the actual chemical weapons. Research on offensive bio-war continued under the justification that such research was a necessary pre-cursor to defensive bio-war.

1974: Less publicized was National Security Study memorandum 200. This document declared that overpopulation of the world posed a grave threat to the nation and urged the imposition of population control measures wherever possible. While the media have reported the forced sterilizations in China, Canada, and Sweden, the abuses of the sterilization programs here in the United States remain concealed from public view. A class action suit in Los Angeles revealed that Chicano women were being sterilized immediatly after giving birth. The non-English speaking women had been given sterilization consent forms in English and were told the operation was to deal with the after-affects of the pregnancy. Similar abuses were reported on reservations, with estimates of coerced or covert sterilization running as high as one woman out of every four. Yet another lawsuit in New York and a scandal in Puerto Rico led to the passage of laws requiring a standardized consent form printed in multiple languages in 1979.

More can be found in,  Michael Parenti. [book] "Democracy for the Few" (St. Martin's Press 1995)

No2Atheism:


Is it possible for Boyd to be wrong - Yes absolutely.
Has anyone shown that Boyd is wrong so far - Not Yet.


Its better wen people keep quiet and let people think they are smart, rather than speak and confirm the opposite.

It is quite possible for you to be very wrong in the same vein. Is there anything in HIV/AIDS that makes it affect only the black people? I mean does it selectively target the black person's blood? Do you have any proof of this?

Was HIV introduced into Africa by the Oyinbos? What is you proof?

If you tell me the black people have been  systematically repressed and because of these repressions they have become ignorant and hence engage in activities that puts them in danger of HIV/AIDS I will be more convinced

But no Oyinbo man/Illuminati is forcing us to have unprotected sex, use unsterilized stuffs and other what nots that can put us in the danger of HIV. Do you think Thabo Mbeki who didn't believe in HIV and Zuma who engaged in unprotected sex with someone with HIV are agents of those who want to use HIV/AIDS as a biological weapon against the black populace? Or even myself when I have unprotected sex outside marriage!

I don't think so, I think its easy to blame others when the simple thing to do is change our lifestyle

Peace

It amuses me when i see people dissing Wikipedia all in a bid to appear smart.
As an online Encyclopaedia, wikipedia is an extremely valuable resource. While some cases of vandalism exist, it's reliability in most cases speaks for itself.
Funny how it's only on Nairaland i see people sneering when someone refers to Wikipedia.

As far as the topic is concerned, why would any right-thinking adult imagine HIV-Aids would be a biological weapon against black people when it's a disease that

1. Readily infects whites also
2. Is impossible to effectively quarantine.
3. Has no known cure

Seems a clear case of misfiring cerebral neurons, if you ask me.

When will Nigerians and blacks as a race wake from their slumber. Truly in the words of a former african leader "the black colour is beclouding our brains". May God almighty deliver us.

When we suffer for our mistakes and stubbornness we blame people. How many whites will engage in illicit sex unprotected the way a black man would do?

How many white men will be sick and refuse medical attention?

How many blacks will accept it when they are diagnosed of HIV/AIDS and not say it's a demonic attack?

The Black race have failed because we refuse to leave up to expectation even though science started with us. If only we shall wake up!

spikedcylinder:

A little off topic but Dr. Boyd's suit is just wrong.

That is usually a measure of wackiness. Wacky fashion = wacky mind.