crackhaus:

I kinda understand the problem of women who always make it all about patriarchy - it's quite noticeable that the high achieving women of substance in Nigeria and even in the world, hardly complain about what society might be responsible for. They navigate through all uncertainties and/or societal expectations and head straight to the top.

This is a point I can go with. Many women lack confidence in themselves and instead of changing it, they complain.

It may not be smooth sailing all through, but is it ever that easy for anyone - male or female?

It's very easy for me.

Mindfulness:


And laws against racism and discrimination have not been enforced in the said countries? Abeg!

They have, but are you now going to pretend you're not aware that the chasm in racial divide is much more pronounced compared to that between genders?

But they are naturally less inclined and environment has nothing to do with it, aight?

And you have taken us back to my first post.
Now that the environment is conducive in such places as the US, UK, and other regions listed by Tim, what then is stopping the women there?

The answer to your question is already in the question.

Mindfulness:



Crackhaus claims that there is racial discrimination even though it has been outlawed but there is no gender discrimination because it has been outlawed.

Objective reasoning, it's called.

Crackhaus, diaris God ooo.

Refer to my post above.

You will not be honest with yourself if you claim not to know that the racial divisions still plague those societies.

Unless you're now of the opinion that there's still gender discrimination in developed countries? Is this your point?

In fact I dare you to type it, so we can all know that Africa isn't the only place where women are still subdued.

crackhaus:

They have, but are you now going to pretend you're not aware that the chasm in racial divide is much more pronounced compared to that between genders?

So if the answer is not the way you want it, I pretend?

And you have taken us back to my first post.
Now that the environment is conducive in such places as the US, UK, and other regions listed by Tim, what then is stopping the women there?

The answer to your question is already in the question.

My answer remains the same, it's partly nature and it's partly nurture.

And even in places where gender discrimination has been outlawed, it's the same as with racism, certain stereotypes and roles still prevail.

Mindfulness:


It's a man's world because there are more men in the Forbes list of wealthiest people?

It's MY world! Now what?

It's a man's world because even you with all your razzmatazz and preaching of self-love will not feel complete if you have to go to bed and wake up with no man by your side, by the time you're 35years old.

Mindfulness:


So if the answer is not the way you want it, I pretend?



My answer remains the same, it's partly nature and it's partly nurture.

And even in places where gender discrimination has been outlawed, it's the same as with racism, certain stereotypes and roles still prevail.

Is it the stereotypes that is stopping women from aspiring to become CEOs and board members, or is it the demands of such positions that discourage them?

You seem to be changing goalposts.

crackhaus:

Refer to my post above.

You will not be honest with yourself if you claim not to know that the racial divisions still plague those societies.

I remember one poster from Britain here who claimed that there are no racial barriers in the UK. It's a matter of subjective experience and perception and thus opinion. Whether I am honest or dishonest, opinions are divided on this subject.

Unless you're now of the opinion that there's still gender discrimination in developed countries? Is this your point?

Personally, I don't feel discriminated at all in Europe. I have never seen my se.x as an obstacle. It's partly due to the way I was brought up by my father for sure but it would be a lie to say that people are no longer conditioned to perceive and accept certain gender roles. However, I am not saying that it is the result of social conditioning entirely. The fact that women bring children to this world has a natural impact too.

In fact I dare you to type it, so we can all know that Africa isn't the only place where women are still subdued.

Of course not but I never come across so much hostility against women as on NL.
What we also have to consider is that Nigeria is much more religious than other European countries and we all know what gender roles are prescribed by world religions. It's starts with Adam and Eve. She is the one who was created in the second place to serve him but this bitch took him out of paradise.

crackhaus:

It's a man's world because even you with all your razzmatazz and preaching of self-love will not feel complete if you have to go to bed and wake up with no man by your side, by the time you're 35years old.

I believed this fairy tale when I was in my 20s.

In my 30s I realized that many women - especially in this part in the world - prefer to have lose relationships with a man or men leaving before it's time for breakfast.

crackhaus:

Is it the stereotypes that is stopping women from aspiring to become CEOs and board members, or is it the demands of such positions that discourage them?

You seem to be changing goalposts.

It's a combination of different factors. You are too intelligent to buy one-dimensional explanations to complex human behavior and psyche, I assume.

Mindfulness:


This is a point I can go with. Many women lack confidence in themselves and instead of changing it, they complain.



It's very easy for me.

If it's that easy for you, then I guess you were born with a silver spoon and are on your way to becoming the CEO of your daddy's big company....assuming

However, I hope your daddy's big company is in Nigeria cos if it's in Germany, you might not even make it into the Board of Directors.

crackhaus:

If it's that easy for you, then I guess you were born with a silver spoon and are on your way to becoming the CEO of your daddy's big company....assuming

However, I hope your daddy's big company is in Nigeria cos if it's in Germany, you might not even make it into the Board of Directors.

Is it a tactic to find out what I or my family do for a living?

I know you are a curious cat.

Raising a family hinders or slows a lot of women from reaching their desired height (when due)... especially ones so passionate about their marriage/family. .

Most women are quite selective about what jobs/occupations/positions they take up just so that their families don't suffer..
But men are a lot more flexible. .

Men can leave their families for weeks/months in pursuit of career but women rarely do this without worrying about what's going on back home

So, it's not like the women don't want to get the top; difficulty in balancing life and career makes it hard... men on the other hand have more time to spare as regards career hence we have more of them at the top...

Mindfulness:


I believed this fairy tale when I was in my 20s.

In my 30s I realized that many women - especially in this part in the world - prefer to have lose relationships with a man or men leaving before it's time for breakfast.

Which is why they only look happy on the surface and have become strong advocates of self-love...why won't they be preaching self-love when no man is around to shower them with it.

Fairy tale ni, fish tail ko...

PresVA:
Raising a family hinders or slows a lot of women from reaching their desired height (when due)... especially ones so passionate about their marriage/family. .

Most women are quite selective about what jobs/occupations/positions they take up just so that their families don't suffer..
But men are a lot more flexible. .

Men can leave their families for weeks/months in pursuit of career but women rarely do this without worrying about what's going on back home

TRUE!

crackhaus:

Which is why they only look happy on the surface and have become strong advocates of self-love...why won't they be preaching self-love when no man is around to shower them with it.

Fairy tale ni, fish tail ko...

Yeah, and that's why most divorces are initiated by women ... because they are scared of loneliness.

PresVA:
Raising a family hinders or slows a lot of women from reaching their desired height (when due)... especially ones so passionate about their marriage/family. .

Most women are quite selective about what jobs/occupations/positions they take up just so that their families don't suffer..
But men are a lot more flexible. .

Men can leave their families for weeks/months in pursuit of career but women rarely do this without worrying about what's going on back home

So, it's not like the women don't want to get the top; difficulty in balancing life and career makes it hard... men on the other hand have more time to spare as regards career hence we have more of them at the top...

Well, it also hinders and slows men's careers too, though, it could be a catalyst for career advancement as he'll work harder. Furthermore, the difference between husbands and wives in the work force is needs versus wants. Most men because they need to, most women work because they want to. Yes, there are women who work out of need but only because their husbands cannot afford them a decent lifestyle or that lifestyle they desire.

If a woman works not because of need but desire, it would make sense to take a less-demanding job. It is the height of vanity for a woman to work a job that deprives her quality home time just because she "went to school". Did you go to school to slave at a job brainlessly or to increase your opportunity for better living?

There's a reason why married men are the most dependable employees. Most men work jobs they hate because the alternative is a drop in living standards and even hunger.

That women have to sacrifice their dreams to run their homes is not oppression, or discrimination or man's-worldism. It is common sense and pragmatism. The dreams of billions of men died the day they had families. It cuts both ways. Unless a man is unhappy in his home and marriage, I doubt he would choose having a job that takes him away from home and one that affords him quality time with family.

The difference in how men handle their roles in life and how women handle theirs is acceptance of fate. We have resigned ourselves to our provisioning role. That is what we do. You, women need to accept yours. As my posts on Page1 illustrate, women in Sweden do the barest minimum when the basics are covered. Na so life be.

Mindfulness:


I remember one poster from Britain here who claimed that there are no racial barriers in the UK. It's a matter of subjective experience and perception and thus opinion. Whether I am honest or dishonest, opinions are divided on this subject.

Racial discrimination isn't as pronounced in the UK when compared to other European countries and the US...but it's there on an institutional level.

Personally, I don't feel discriminated at all in Europe. I have never seen my se.x as an obstacle. It's partly due to the way I was brought up by my father for sure but it would be a lie to say that people are no longer conditioned to perceive and accept certain gender roles. However, I am not saying that it is the result of social conditioning entirely. The fact that women bring children to this world has a natural impact too.

Are you going to tell me that you can visit every single city in Germany and not find one where you won't feel some racial discrimination?

Don't lie oo..

Of course not but I never come across so much hostility against women as on NL.
What we also have to consider is that Nigeria is much more religious than other European countries and we all know what gender roles are prescribed by world religions. It's starts with Adam and Eve. She is the one who was created in the second place to serve him but this bitch took him out of paradise.

Lol, you're not being honest.

How many other forums do you actively visit?
What you call hostility against women on NL is just people speaking their minds but unfortunately, some Nigerian girls/women have developed this princess mentality that makes them feel it's their right to be respected by anonymous men for doing absolutely nothing to earn it.

It's all fun and games till you people start to take it personal due to your fragile feelings..and besides, it's the internet.

Nigerian dudes love Nigerian women...some might have just finished making love to two, and then went online to become 'hostile' to women as you put it.

Mindfulness:


Is it a tactic to find out what I or my family do for a living?

I know you are a curious cat.

No tactics, that post was tongue-in-cheek.

Obviously, you're not the CEO of any company neither are you a billionaire...so I guess it's not so easy afterall.

crackhaus:

Racial discrimination isn't as pronounced in the UK compared to some European countries and the US...but it's there.

It's not as pronounced and yet Blacks are underrepresented in different fields in these countries, what stops them? After all racial discrimination has been outlawed just like gender discrimination.

Anyway dear, you got the point, I am sure. I don't want to dig further into it because it's an ugly topic if one argues that a certain group of people is naturally less inclined to be successful and wealthy.

Are you going to tell me that you can visit every single city in Germany and not find one where you won't feel some racial discrimination?

Don't lie oo..

I can visit any city in Europe, be it Berlin, Athens, Madrid or Prague and people will think I am fabulous.

Lol, you're not being honest.

How many other forums do you actively visit?
What you call hostility against women on NL is just people speaking their minds but unfortunately, some Nigerian girls/women have developed this princess mentality that makes them feel it's their right to be respected by men for doing absolutely nothing to earn it.

It's how you choose to see it.

It's all fun and games till you people start to take it personal due to your fragile feelings..and besides it's the internet.

I have seen many men hyperventilate here too.

Nigerian dudes love Nigerian women...some might have just finished making love to two, and then went online to become 'hostile' to women as you put it.

So you have to be gay to treat women in an unfair and degrading way?

crackhaus:

No tactics, that post was tongue-in-cheek.

Obviously, you're not the CEO of any company neither are you a billionaire...so I guess it's not so easy afterall.

Who knows?

Mindfulness:


Yeah, and that's why most divorces are initiated by women ... because they are scared of loneliness.

Because they know they will get spousal support and will finally start fvcking another man, daz why.

At the end of the day, there will always be a man in the equation for you lots, whether he is being subtracted via divorce or being added via dating anew.

crackhaus:

Because they know they will get spousal support and will finally start fvcking another man, daz why.

So women do not end up lonely and sad after all even when they divorce in their 30s and even more frequently in their 40s?

At the end of the day, there will always be a man in the equation for you lots, whether he is being subtracted via divorce or being added via dating anew.

So all the 'be careful you don't end up bitter and lonely once you turn 35 because nobody will want you' was a lie?
Now there will always be a man?

And to think that we started getting used to the scenario. All for nothing.

Mindfulness:


It's not as pronounced and yet Blacks are underrepresented in different fields in these countries, what stops them? After all racial discrimination has been outlawed just like gender discrimination.

Anyway dear, you got the point, I am sure. I don't want to dig further into it because it's an ugly topic if one argues that a certain group of people is naturally less inclined to be successful and wealthy.

It's not as sexist as you make it sound.

I'm sure you also got my point too, so we squared.

I can visit any city in Europe, be it Berlin, Athens, Madrid or Prague and people will think I am fabulous.

Is anyone else surprised she just mentioned cities that have a substantial population of immigrants?

Let's not go too far...
I said in your own Germany, can you confidently visit every single city and not feel racial discrimination in some?

It's how you choose to see it.

You will be surprised at how many people on NL share that same opinion.

I have seen many men hyperventilate here too.

Yea, and then we get over it.

However, you and Sam.barry seem to be the only females in this section that can take a hit today and get over it by the next day.

So you have to be gay to treat women in an unfair and degrading way?

No, not my point - my point was, it isn't as bad as you paint it.
Your so-called hostility against women hasn't stopped guys from speaking beautiful nothings into the ears of the random women they meet face to face daily.

And when you say "treat women in an unfair and degrading way," that's exactly what I mean by the princess mentality.

You come on the internet and expect everyone to treat you nice?
Because you are who and what?

Mindfulness:


Who knows?

Only one thing I want to know.

Are you Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, or any one of the other numerous ethnicities?

Mindfulness:


So women do not end up lonely and sad after all even when they divorce in their 30s and even more frequently in their 40s?



So all the 'be careful you don't end up bitter and lonely once you turn 35 because nobody will want you' was a lie?
Now there will always be a man?

And to think that we started getting used to the scenario. All for nothing.

Lol, nor be if dem see man wey go marry their old azzes by the time they're 40?

crackhaus:

It's not as sexist as you make it sound.

I'm sure you also got my point too, so we squared.

I did.

Is anyone else surprised she just mentioned cities that have a substantial population of immigrants?


Let's not go too far...
I said in your own Germany, can you confidently visit every single city and not feel racial discrimination in some?

Can I visit all cities in Nigeria without facing 'racial discrimination' as someone who looks different?

You will be surprised at how many people on NL share that same opinion.

Trust, I won't.

Yea, and then we get over it.

Well, .... no!

Getting over it would me approaching a poster without any past baggage and we both know that this NOT what people - men and women - do here.
People attack people here on personal levels all the time. They wouldn't if they got over it.

However, you and Sam.barry seem to be the only females in this section that can take a hit today and get over it by the next day.

No comment.

No, not my point - my point was, it isn't as bad as you paint it.
Your so-called hostility against women hasn't stopped guys from speaking beautiful nothings into the ears of the random women they meet face to face daily.

Of course not and for altruistic reasons.

And when you say "treat women in an unfair and degrading way," that's exactly what I mean by the princess mentality.

Good to know but I am past the age of princes and princesses.

You come on the internet and expect everyone to treat you nice?
Because you are who and what?

I expect anything here.

crackhaus:

Lol, nor be if dem see man wey go marry their old azzes by the time they're 40?

What a tragedy!

Mindfulness:


I did.



Can I visit all cities in Nigeria without facing 'racial discrimination' as someone who looks different?

You're kidding right? Racial discrimination in Nigeria?

You've still not answered the question though.

Trust, I won't.




Well, .... no!

Getting over it would me approaching a poster without any past baggage and we both know that this NOT what people - men and women - do here.
People attack people here on personal levels all the time. They wouldn't if they got over it.




No comment.




Of course not and for altruistic reasons.




Good to know but I am past the age of princes and princesses.



I expect anything here.

Seen

crackhaus:

You're kidding right? Racial discrimination in Nigeria?

You've still not answered the question though.


Seen

I have and I got the point you were making.

Mindfulness:


I have and I got the point you were making.

Yes you have...in your usual coy tail-tucked-between-legs kinda way.

I was however hoping for an outright admission, on the off-chance that you'll be bold enough for once to give an answer which discredits your initial stance.

crackhaus:

Yes you have...in your usual coy tail-tucked-between-legs kinda way.

I was however hoping for an outright admission, on the off-chance that you'll be bold enough for once to give an answer which discredits your initial stance.

My initial stance was comprehensive and logical and I stand by it.

You are a dreamer.

Mindfulness:


My initial stance was comprehensive and logical and I stand by it.

You are a dreamer.

You're certifiable.