Edybleketara:
Ur points would have made sense if there is actual proof dat ur God exist.

honourhim:


It seems you are not reading my posts well. Go through my responses to you again. This time read throughly.

Lilbrown007:

This Is Another Faze I Wanna Know If I Got U Well

honourhim:


How do you mean? God gave u a mind and brain to reason and make choices and told you that your choice have consequences so what"s the control there? You control your choices but you don't control the consequences. That's why I said there is no absolute freedom anywhere in this world.
For example, you can choose to put your hand inside fire but you cant stop the fire from burning your hand. Cause and effect.

honourhim:


How do you mean? God gave u a mind and brain to reason and make choices and told you that your choice have consequences so what"s the control there? You control your choices but you don't control the consequences. That's why I said there is no absolute freedom anywhere in this world.
For example, you can choose to put your hand inside fire but you cant stop the fire from burning your hand. Cause and effect.

4kings:


But God hardened pharoah's heart, that means God controlled his will and the consequence he received. Right?

KingEbukaNaija:


Pharaoh's punishment was going to come anyway so God indurating his heart did not change anything

4kings:


But God hardened pharoah's heart, that means God controlled his will and the consequence he received. Right?

honourhim:


. Pharoah and his people had been wicked slave masters to the children of Isreal for several years and then it was time for them to face the consequences of their evil act. It was a pay back time for them.

Hardening of Pharoah 's heart was part of the consequences he and his people had to face for their choice of being wicked slave masters to the children of Isreal over the years
So what happened here was not a case of God imposing a choice on pharoah rather its a case of God unleashing vegeance on wicked slave masters as a consequence of their evil act

davien:
Hardmirror I tip my hat in respect for replying winner01 and kingebukasblog.

I do so mainly because those two have degraded into nothing but bloggers and "like" chasers on nairaland who keep proping up empty topics and liking each others filth even to the extent of creating extra accounts to do so.

Rather pet my dog than make a lengthy reply to either one.

johnydon22:

Hahahahaha the religious board has been so degraded, there is no more sound arguments or debates being presented.

Just a clown party of throwing insults and memes everywhere and anywhere, i miss our own days when we had very good sound discussions here.

i can't bring myself low enough to engage in the childish clowning that has taken the field here.

There is a severe obsession with atheist/atheism lately, a presumably fight against atheism not knowing that it is more so a promotion of atheism than an attack - most Nigerians don't even know there is such a thing as atheism, so pushing a propaganda against atheism will only make it more popular.

I have once said "Atheism is sweeping through the world like a wild fire, it is futile to fight it. it will take the Gods if they be flying down to earth to stop it"

johnydon22:

i can't bring myself low enough to engage in the childish clowning that has taken the field here.

There is a severe obsession with atheist/atheism lately, a presumably fight against atheism not knowing that it is more so a promotion of atheism than an attack - most Nigerians don't even know there is such a thing as atheism, so pushing a propaganda against atheism will only make it more popular.

johnydon22:

i miss our own days when we had very good sound discussions here.

johnydon22:

i have once said "Atheism is sweeping through the world like a wild fire, it is futile to fight it.

davien:

Rather pet my dog than make a lengthy reply to either one.

Crazyfinedude:


The atheists started this clowning and impious attacks against Christians . Winner01 and Kingebukasblog don't clown or attack atheists , no they don't , they simply expose the foolishness of atheism and are still doing so .

You guys are the ones that are pained over the success of their threads . Butt-hurt atheists are the ones complaining now . Its fun to see . I still haven't met any smart atheist on this forum , only bunch of below average individuals and scientist wannabes

4kings:


Nice reply.

So how do u explain Judas predestination plan.

johnydon22:

Hahahahaha the religious board has been so degraded, there is no more sound arguments or debates being presented.

Just a clown party of throwing insults and memes everywhere and anywhere, i miss our own days when we had very good sound discussions here.

i can't bring myself low enough to engage in the childish clowning that has taken the field here.

There is a severe obsession with atheist/atheism lately, a presumably fight against atheism not knowing that it is more so a promotion of atheism than an attack - most Nigerians don't even know there is such a thing as atheism, so pushing a propaganda against atheism will only make it more popular.

I have once said "Atheism is sweeping through the world like a wild fire, it is futile to fight it. it will take the Gods if they be flying down to earth to stop it"

reallest:

why do u always find my trouble?when will u continue ur thread "untold story of job"

johnydon22:


I'm sorry oo my madam, i will continue oo. . . lol.

honourhim:


Its actually the betrayal of Jesus that was predestinated.

honourhim:


Unfortunately for you, your believe or unbelieve is irrelevant to me.

Edybleketara:
d same way urs is irrelevant to me.

4kings:


Ya, just like the Antichrist, end time activity(people's action & reaction) and the Elect/chosen were predestined.

I hope u get the logic, I am driving at here.

honourhim:


Yea I get your point bro.
Some events are predestined but not tagged with specific people. Anybody can be a victim to any of them that's why Jesus said we should pray thus - "lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil"

4kings:

How can predestination be, without people being tagged?, for god sake Paul said he was chosen from his mother's womb, and remember Jeremiah.

4kings:


If according to the Bible god wishes that all human should receive salvation, why didn't he predestine a phrophet or something to come and give salvation, rather the antichrist was spoken of to even reduce the chances of salvation?

honourhim:


Sorry you are talking about talents/gifts which is also referred to as our various callings. The scripture says that we have various gifts. Some are called to be apostles, some teachers, some prophets, some evangelists some pastors, some are talented in the area of music, some in the medical field, some in humanities and so on. Is this what you mean by predestination? And you forgot that even though all of us are blessed with various talents yet a good number of us end up in an area that is not our calling in life. Even in the parable of the talents that Jesus gave, the man with one talent didnt use his own. If talents/gifts are what you call predestination then people wouldnt be ending up outside their area of calling.




John 3;16 says- for God so love the world that............that WHOSOEVER believeth in him.....`
The salvation call has always been for WHOSOEVER WILL...
Simply put- Salvation is available for all men but its only those who are willing that will reach out to get it.
I wouldnt know how you arrived at the statement you made. Kindly refer me to the biblical portion where it is written,
Thanks,

4kings:

I'm not talking about talents and gifts.(I know those stories)

I was talking about predestination of paul and jeremiah
Here are scriptural references pertaining paul and jeremiah:
Galatians 1 verse 15 & 16:
But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles,.....

Jeremiah 1 verse 5:
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.

honourhim:


Bro everyone is created for a purpose and that is what happened in the case of Jeremiah and Paul. We are all born with gifts and callings. Some people's calling are much bigger than the others as in the case of these two men.
The point I'm making is that not everyone fulfill their purpose in life. Some still make wrong choices. That you are born for a purpose does not mean you will be remote controlled to fulfill it. However,I still recognize the place of grace.

Crazyfinedude:


No , you are nowhere . Stop being deluded . Bring yourself down to the lowest level if that is what you mean.



Satan is popular for his evil , same with homosexuality that does not make everyone satanists or homosexuals or want to be either . Those guys have exposed the wickedness of atheism . Deal with it

4kings:

You are always talking about purpose. Do u expect me to believe that God created the thousands of poor kids in Mozambique, Eritrea ..., for a purpose?

4kings:


You also want me to believe that your purposeful God spoke about the antichrist & co, and all what they shall do, and will still sit on his throne and expect anybody to assume those position at any time of this life, because there is bound to be bad decisions made?

4kings:


But though I agree with u that your God created some people with higher purpose, therefore we can conclude that others were created with lesser/evil purposes. Right?