KunleOshob:

Redeemed operates a business structure that demands 100% of tithes must be remitted to the head office. I guess that's what they charge for allowing you to use their strong brand name to fleece the flock.

konfessor:

it's only a matter of time b4 the truth is rrvealed and we are all liberated from all the lies.
when pastor bakare said it they labeled him a roubble rouser.

Mortiple:

Yes, you are correct to say that 100% Tithes are remitted to the Headquarters. What you do not know is that 20% - 30% of total tithe usually go back to the Parishes as REBATE, while the Province keeps 20%. If the Rebate does not get to the Parish for whatever reason, then the Provincial and/or Area Headquarters should be held accountable. The Ministry is over 55 years old already, so tell me, when will "the truth" (you are longing for) be revealed? What will 'the Truth" be? 5 Million members will definitely not be wrong! Wake up people!

Mortiple:

5 Million members will definitely not be wrong! Wake up people!

afrobaby:

is tithe not meant to be used in the church? Why do we have to pay tithes, pay offering and still pay some other offerings again, [pls someone should explain to me

Welcome to RCCG Covenant Partners Page.  This page is for special people who have decided to partner with Daddy GO, Pastor E. A. Adeboye in the work of the Lord.  The Covenant Partner Group is divided into the following categories.

Group 1
Fasting and prayer for 20 days for 3 months in a year; February, July and December either 14 days all through or 10 days breaking at 6.00pm and 10 days continuous for the next 10 years.

Group 2
Manual Labour at the Camp for 60 days in a year i.e. January – July, February - August, March - September etc for the next 10 year or payment of $500.00 (N60,000) per annum.

Group 3
Payment of $7,500.00 (1 Million Naira) per year for the next 10 year.

Group 4
Payment of $75,000.00 (10 million Naira) per year for the next 10 years

Group 5
Daily fasting and prayer for the whole of February, July and December excluding 25th of December for the next 10 years.

Group 6
Payment of $100 - $1,000. (N1,000 – N100,000 Naira) for the next 10 years with one day fasting and prayer per week.

Group 7
The combination of all Group i.e. Fasting and Prayer, Manual Labour and $7,500.00 (N1 Million Naira) for the next 10 years.

afrobaby:

I was at the redemption camp on friday for the first time and what I saw was really amazing, the place is so big and I thought I was in another city entirely.
I worship in a small redeem church in Lagos. I got to know that all the tithes we pay in the other (small) churches/ Parishes of redeem are taken to the headquarters. My church does not have windows and we are even planning to build the children church and it amazes me that despite the fact that tithes are paid every sunday, they still ask for money towards building, Can't we use the tithes paid to meet the needs of the church?
is tithe not meant to be used in the church? Why do we have to pay tithes, pay offering and still pay some other offerings again, [pls someone should explain to me

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Who cares what you guys do with your money and why wud it be here that you'l ask ur question,it tells me there is a very wicked ulterior motive you have behind,judging by the undertone.Y do xtians around here act this foolishly?
Now,they have started dissecting redeemed,yesterday it was Christembassy,2mro smbdy would pick HOTR y r u guys acting like this?

viaro:

It should be obvious that something is wrong here (not wrong with you, afrobaby - but certainly wrong with the system asking all these "payments". I've wondered about all these things, because my experience is quite different from what many people express about the widespread Nigerian situation on tithes and all other types and shades of offering 'payments'.

While trying to understand the Nigerian scenario in these types of 'payments', I was struck with the fact that quite a handful of obligations are factored out to be met by congregants:

 Tithe :
 Worship Offering :
 Thanksgiving Offering :
 Free Will Offering :
 Missions Support :
 First Fruit :
 G.O. Partners Support :
 Others (Please specify) :

 Special Occasion offering :
 Special Project offering (e.g., Rapsody of reality offering) :
 Special Visitation offering (so-and-so is coming to town) :
 Seed-sowing offering :
 Faith offering :
 Building Project/Improvement offering :
 etc.-etc. offering (part 1)
 etc.-etc. offering (part 2)
 Normal Church offering (this is always at the bottom) :

Now, of course, not all that are listed above applies to any single church at the same time. However, the first eight listed (highlighted in purple) are what obtains in RCCG. You can see a sample online here.

It is not that simple as if there are only eight "payment" schemes as listed and highlighted above in the RRCG. Some of those particular schemes are elaborated into groups where specific amounts are determined (and advertised) so that payers can then find where they fit into. An example of such an elaboration is the collection scheme called "RCCG Covenant Partners". I'll let them speak directly from [url=http://]themselves[/url]:

[list]Welcome to RCCG Covenant Partners Page. This page is for special people who have decided to partner with Daddy GO, Pastor E. A. Adeboye in the work of the Lord. The Covenant Partner Group is divided into the following categories.

Group 1
Fasting and prayer for 20 days for 3 months in a year; February, July and December either 14 days all through or 10 days breaking at 6.00pm and 10 days continuous for the next 10 years.

Group 2
Manual Labour at the Camp for 60 days in a year i.e. January – July, February - August, March - September etc for the next 10 year or payment of $500.00 (N60,000) per annum.

Group 3
Payment of $7,500.00 (1 Million Naira) per year for the next 10 year.

Group 4
Payment of $75,000.00 (10 million Naira) per year for the next 10 years

Group 5
Daily fasting and prayer for the whole of February, July and December excluding 25th of December for the next 10 years.

Group 6
Payment of $100 - $1,000. (N1,000 – N100,000 Naira) for the next 10 years with one day fasting and prayer per week.

Group 7
The combination of all Group i.e. Fasting and Prayer, Manual Labour and $7,500.00 (N1 Million Naira) for the next 10 years.[/list]

well, of course, you will at this time be reading and hearing things like: "it is not by force - it is their choice". Hang on ... who says this is all about "choice"? Just click on the 'Make A Donation' icon on the lefthand and you will find the catch-22: "The monthly obligation of our work is increasing with added responsibilities each passing month."

Yes, it is a "monthly obligation" - which probably explains why you MUST "pay" up ... or else, you know you will end up in HELL according to the RCCG doctrine on tithes.

Do I hear more loud screams from RCCG? I didn't write out the "payment" schemes for RCCG, so please check yourself before tearing out your hair.


Disclaimer: I have loads of friends in RCCG, and observing these things does not mean I was looking to hurt anyone. As my fav Arab proverb has it: "Examine what is said, not him who speaks." _{In KJV style, that would read as: 'examine that which is spoken, not he that speaketh!'}

noetic16:

@ ALL
how do u reconcile all of this to the fact RCCG is one of the very few churches that emphasizes on holiness?

REAL TRUTH:

@Noetic,,,Its not about emphasizing on Holiness,,,its about practising Holiness,,,why can't RCCG be like Deeper Life if truly they re emphasizing on Holiness,,,
RCCG has double standard(two sets of church),,,one is called classical and the other is called model parishes,,,however,,the model parishes seems to have overwhelmed the classical and as a result everybody wants to be in model parish because it actually attracts the worldly and the unholly,,,which is what Christ for though,,,
But my question is why would a church have two sets or standard one for the world,,,and the other for outward Holy people,,,
The sad and painful truth is that RCCG needs to go back from where it actually started from,,,we ve a situation in RCCG where a good number of their pastors re not even Born-Again,,,that forms the reason why some of the pastors ve 2 wives,,some re even criminals ,,,abeg forget story man,,,,

afiq:

@ noetic

the only 'holiness' the RCCG emphasizes is $$$money money money$$$ been there done that, i know their crap!!  

noetic16:

RCCG's financial policies and inactions is sickening. . . I am tempted to think Adeboye is not the financial head of the church.

Joagbaje:

Nobody is forced into any giving in Gods house, People that gives are the one benefiting.

viaro:

well, of course, you will at this time be reading and hearing things like: "it is not by force - it is their choice".

nuella2:

@viaroYou said you are not against giving in churches, so what are you against just curious. We need to preach this gospel on television, internet, satelite, print and any possible means. God gave his best for us, so what can a christian give that can be too much. Even poor people gave thier very last in the bible, people sold thier properties in the early church. The riches of the christian is to finance the kingdom of God, i dont believe in building mansions here and let the work of God suffer. Afterall we are strangers here, this is not our home. Jesus is coming soon and we need to tell everybody about him and our money is involved. So should we only give when is convenient? the remnants? or just give little and eat the rest? How and when should a christian give? can a christian give too much as long as he is doing so willingly?

Mortiple:

Yes, you are correct to say that 100% Tithes are remitted to the Headquarters.  What you do not know is that 20% - 30% of total tithe usually go back to the Parishes as REBATE, while the Province keeps 20%.  If the Rebate does not get to the Parish for whatever reason, then the  Provincial and/or Area Headquarters should be held accountable.

Joagbaje:


The forum that should have been instrumental for soul winning is now being used to attack the body of Chris. while the devil is laughing his way out.

nuella2:

@viaro
You said you are not against giving in churches, so what are you against just curious. We need to preach this gospel on television, internet, satelite, print and any possible means. God gave his best for us, so what can a christian give that can be too much. Even poor people gave thier very last in the bible, people sold thier properties in the early church. The riches of the christian is to finance the kingdom of God, i dont believe in building mansions here and let the work of God suffer. Afterall we are strangers here, this is not our home. Jesus is coming soon and we need to tell everybody about him and our money is involved. So should we only give when is convenient?  the remnants? or just give little and eat the rest? How and when should a christian give?  can a christian give too much as long as he is doing so willingly?

RCCG SA II Region:

Tithe and Offering
Regular payment of tithe and offering is obligatory because it is God's command. It is God's way of providing for the Ministers in the Church. The ministers and other church employees are paid their food, allowance through tithe. The offering is used to cater for the needy in the Church. Tithe and Offering must be paid on every income e.g. salary, profit from business transaction, gifts, etc. Mal. 3:8-12; Gen. 14:19-20; Num. 18:20-21; Deut. 26:12-13; Lev. 27:30; Heb. 7:2-5; I Cor. 16:2; Matt. 23:23. Tithe is exclusively for the minister's welfare.

(1)  The Redeemed Christian Church of God, South Africa II Region

(2)  Also the RCCG Netherlands Mission

Asonzeh Franklin-Kennedy UKAH:
The church’s Constitution specifies that members of the church “are expected to give tithes of their income towards the general purposes of the church” (art. 23; ii). Adeboye has, however, reinterpreted this provision in the light of his understanding of the scriptures and directs that revenue from tithe be exclusively devoted to the welfare of ministers of the church.

For the church, tithe and tithing is so central that it is a prerequisite for entering into heaven “You do not pay your tithe, you do not go to Heaven”.²³⁵  Those who cut or jump tithes are called “children of perdition” who will end up in the devil's house where there is a great deal of fire.²³⁶  The reason why they will end up in hell is that there are no robbers in heaven and cutting tithes is an act of robbery against God, the church and the ministers.²³⁷

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footnote:

²³⁵  Adeboye, Behold He Cometh, op cit., p.25

²³⁶  Adeboye, The Son of Perdition, Lagos: CRM, n.d., p. 15
 
²³⁷  Tithe collection is a form of taxation. However, the ministers are not accountable to the people from whose taxes they are paid their salaries. Since the church is not a democratic institution, it has no position that requires voting or being voted for, or structure that articulates the problems or  opinions of the laity. The RCCG as an institution thus represents a typical case of taxation without representation.

Tithe and Offering
Regular payment of tithe and offering is obligatory because it is God's command. It is God's way of providing for the Ministers in the Church. The ministers and other church employees are paid their food, allowance through tithe. The offering is used to cater for the needy in the Church. Tithe and Offering must be paid on every income e.g. salary, profit from business transaction, gifts, etc. Mal. 3:8-12; Gen. 14:19-20; Num. 18:20-21; Deut. 26:12-13; Lev. 27:30; Heb. 7:2-5; I Cor. 16:2; Matt. 23:23. Tithe is exclusively for the minister's welfare.

Enigma:

I wonder how long before the rest of the RCCG websites (such as South Africa and Netherlands above and etc) also take it off; if they do, don't be deceived, they will have only gone underground with it; internally they will still be fleecing their flock with both subtle and strong arm tactics.

Pastor S.O.L Awobode:
2. Tithe: You need to sow your tithe. Your tithe is just 10% of your total earning, be it daily, weekly, monthly, or yearly, the rest belongs to you. Mal.3;10 says “bring ye all the tithes into the store house that there may be meat in my house and prove me now herewith saith the Lord of host if I will not open the windows of heaven and pour out blessing that there shall not be room to receive it”. Many thought that when they give their tithe it is the pastor that will spend it therefore they determine not to give it. Your responsibility stops where you obey God by paying the tithe, leave the rest to God to determine and judge. Everybody that steals God’s money god knows how to deal with him or her.

http://rccgvictoryarea.org/keys.htm

KunleOshob:

@viaro
For the past couple of months, i see you have changed your tone on this issue of tithes, you are welcome to this side of the divide. I also appluad your courage to stand for the truth as far as christian giving is concerned.