Shehu Sani faults critics of Fawehinmi's burial style
From Saxone Akhaine, Kaduna

THE Leader of the Northern Civil Society Coalition and chairman of the Socialist Front (SF), Malam Shehu Sani has condemned the criticisms by some Moslem clerics and other Islamic leaders against the befitting burial Nigerians gave to the late lawyer and human rights activist, Chief Gani Fawehinmi (SAN), saying that they belonged to the sect of religious fanatics who do not want the liberation of Nigerians from oppression.


http://odili.net/news/source/2009/sep/18/23.html

Sani spoke yesterday in Kaduna in reaction to the various criticisms by Islamic clerics and some members of the Association of Muslim Lawyers who allegedly condemned the fanfare and befitting burial of Fawehinmi by Nigerians.

He said: "Their thinking is irresponsible and their comment is unfortunate. They have lost their voices; they are people who lost their voices during the Obasanjo's eight years of rule. They are people whose voices could not be heard against the military administration. They are people whose voices were not heard against the oppressive regimes who perpetrated evil against the people of Nigeria. They were people who have never been identified for the freedom and rights of even the unborn Nigerians. They are people who are only interested in intervening on issues and matters that are of no importance. They are ignorant and completely anti-people."

Sani also explained that even in Moslem societies, the death of progressive leaders are always celebrated by their people to appreciate their contributions to the growth and development of the societies.

Sani queried: "Where were the so-called Islamic clerics in Nigeria when Anwal Saddat was buried in Egypt? Where were they when Yasar Arafat was buried in Palestine? Where were they when King Hassan of Morocco was buried and where were they when the King of Syria was buried?"

"Or were they uninformed, or rather were they ignorant when the people of Iran, Syria, Egypt, Morocco, or of Palestine were celebrating their leaders even in death? So, Gani's life was a life of service to mankind and humanity, and his burial was a people's will of love for him."

The human rights activist further stressed that "instead of the Islamic clerics to voice out things that matters to the common people and not raise issues on trivialities, they were displaying their ignorance and evil passion to Nigerian masses. Whether Gani was buried with fanfare or not, will not change the fact that he has served the generality of Nigerian people and that his contributions to the development of the society will continue to be remembered.

"I have discovered that this set of people who have been so docile to the issues that affect the country, the only issue that evokes their interest is the only issue of Gani's burial. I am a Muslim and I am hundred per cent in the know of what has happened".

We all know this trick, the barbaric cleric just want to generate attention thats all. Even the christian know that Gani burial was unislamical. So the cleric should go on top of his house roof and proclaim whatever he desire

Much as I hate to use insultive words, I dare say Shehu Sanni is a fool. I have known him for long and I don't take his utterances seriously. He wrote one stupid book on Sharia sometime ago and the book was banned. He it was who was also spewing balderdash during the man-with-86-wives incident. In ideal Islamic society, Sheu Sanni would have been takfired .

I have doubts over his still being a Muslim with the kind of belief he harbours and utterances from his mouth in the last few years. Let him continue with his marxist thinking. He is a disservice to Islam.

Now to the issue, all the people he mentioned were not prophets or sahaabah or authorities in Islam. We don't care about them. The rule for the rightness or wrongness of an action in Islam is simple: what does Allah say? What did the prophet say or do or approve? With regards to burying a dead Muslim, the rule is simply to bury immediately, without delay or if circumstances do not allow immediate burial, it should not go beyond next day. We don't care on who contravenes this rule and any attempt to justify deliberate delay of burial could lead one out of Islam.

May Allah forgive Gani for breaking that rule.

On the other issues Shehu Sanni raised, nobody is denying the fact that Gani contributed to humanity more than most of these Islamic scholars. We are not discounting his gargantuan contribution to the uplift of the poor masses and the enthronement of a just society. But this does not mean objection should not be raised to where he or his family erred. Once again, we pray for him.

Aloy~Emeka:

Shehu Sani faults critics of Fawehinmi's burial style
From Saxone Akhaine, Kaduna

THE Leader of the Northern Civil Society Coalition and chairman of the Socialist Front (SF), Malam Shehu Sani has condemned the criticisms by some Moslem clerics and other Islamic leaders against the befitting burial Nigerians gave to the late lawyer and human rights activist, Chief Gani Fawehinmi (SAN), saying that they belonged to the sect of religious fanatics who do not want the liberation of Nigerians from oppression.


http://odili.net/news/source/2009/sep/18/23.html

Sani spoke yesterday in Kaduna in reaction to the various criticisms by Islamic clerics and some members of the Association of Muslim Lawyers who allegedly condemned the fanfare and befitting burial of Fawehinmi by Nigerians.

He said: "Their thinking is irresponsible and their comment is unfortunate. They have lost their voices; they are people who lost their voices during the Obasanjo's eight years of rule. They are people whose voices could not be heard against the military administration. They are people whose voices were not heard against the oppressive regimes who perpetrated evil against the people of Nigeria. They were people who have never been identified for the freedom and rights of even the unborn Nigerians. They are people who are only interested in intervening on issues and matters that are of no importance. They are ignorant and completely anti-people."

Sani also explained that even in Moslem societies, the death of progressive leaders are always celebrated by their people to appreciate their contributions to the growth and development of the societies.

Sani queried: "Where were the so-called Islamic clerics in Nigeria when Anwal Saddat was buried in Egypt? Where were they when Yasar Arafat was buried in Palestine? Where were they when King Hassan of Morocco was buried and where were they when the King of Syria was buried?"

"Or were they uninformed, or rather were they ignorant when the people of Iran, Syria, Egypt, Morocco, or of Palestine were celebrating their leaders even in death? So, Gani's life was a life of service to mankind and humanity, and his burial was a people's will of love for him."

The human rights activist further stressed that "instead of the Islamic clerics to voice out things that matters to the common people and not raise issues on trivialities, they were displaying their ignorance and evil passion to Nigerian masses. Whether Gani was buried with fanfare or not, will not change the fact that he has served the generality of Nigerian people and that his contributions to the development of the society will continue to be remembered.

"I have discovered that this set of people who have been so docile to the issues that affect the country, the only issue that evokes their interest is the only issue of Gani's burial. I am a Muslim and I am hundred per cent in the know of what has happened".

You are so right.

Gani realised the inherent fault in his religion and the inconsistencies of its doctrines and propagators. Gani chose to be honoured by the people who he served while living. . . and they gladly did.
what difference would it have made if Gani had been buried the same day? who actually gave instructions that muslims be buried the day they die? was it not mohammed?
did mohammed not retract many of his revelations, claiming that the devil gave them to him?

Onr thing is certain. . . . . .For Gani to have denounced the islamic burial implies that he had his doubts about everything islamic. May Gani's soul rest in perfect peace.

noetic2:

You are so right.

Gani realised the inherent fault in his religion and the inconsistencies of its doctrines and propagators. Gani chose to be honoured by the people who he served while living. . . and they gladly did.
what difference would it have made if Gani had been buried the same day? who actually gave instructions that muslims be buried the day they die? was it not mohammed?
did mohammed not retract many of his revelations, claiming that the devil gave them to him?

Onr thing is certain. . . . . .For Gani to have denounced the islamic burial implies that he had his doubts about everything islamic. May Gani's soul rest in perfect peace.

Because Gani was a genial lawyer doesn't make him right in everything, you know?. If Islamic tradition forbids such burial rites, who was he to write his own rules under Islam?. There are Christians who design their own model of Christianity, should we endorse them too because they were high and mighty?. Abacha was buried according to Islamic rites as big as he was, why should gani's own be different?. Look at Wole Soyinka, he has no religion therefore can decide on how he wants to be buried.

@Aloy Emeka: « on: Today at 02:23:53 PM »

Shehu Sani faults critics of Fawehinmi's burial style
From Saxone Akhaine, Kaduna

THE Leader of the Northern Civil Society Coalition and chairman of the Socialist Front (SF), Malam Shehu Sani has condemned the criticisms by some Moslem clerics and other Islamic leaders against the befitting burial Nigerians gave to the late lawyer and human rights activist, Chief Gani Fawehinmi (SAN), saying that they belonged to the sect of religious fanatics who do not want the liberation of Nigerians from oppression.

One should have asked Shehu Sani if it is Islam that oppressed Nigeria, consiering that it is the English people who colonized and oppressed Nigeria, raping her emotionally and barely escaped the physical overlording because the Oil was not discovered well enough before 1960!

I want Shehu Sani to give us Quran and Sunnah of it; was it the leaving a corpse for "other interlectuals to see" at night or day, or the gold, and at first the suits, and what exactly is islamic about it?

I think Shehu Sani needs his Islam to be examined, or he is one of those who try to satisfy the masses, even when there is no harm in speaking the truth, that TRUTH he can get on the Pages of Quran and the example of the Burials of the Prophet (AS), his Companions (RA) (Abu Bakr was a bigtime Philantropist that gave away his monies and died with nothing. But when asked whe he gave 100% what was left for his family, he replied Allah and His Messenger; indeed Islam), the generation that followed and generation that followed!

@Noetic:

what difference would it have made if Gani had been buried the same day?

And since they delayed it, what difference was there: he came back alive? I hope you do reflect on things sometimes and not let your hatred eat you up alive?

who actually gave instructions that muslims be buried the day they die? was it not mohammed?
did mohammed not retract many of his revelations, claiming that the devil gave them to him?

What did Jesus give for the Christians; three days in the cave? I will like to see that. Alhamdulllah that my mother left that thing. I dont have to worry about the old woman which consumed me for many years on end. We discussed the alleged Satanic verses before and I will add this; If a person is trying to hide anything, would be have added half of it or some part, when it makes sense to make hidden everything?

Finally, why would the same person cursed and instructed people to curse the thing except that he hated it, while you said he worships that same thing? I hope you dont curse none of the three thing s you worship; Father, Son and Ghost?

If you dont, it means that you do worship them. If we curse Shaitan, know that we do not worship him, except we take him as an open enemy! You wanna clam Faweyinmi, it dimishes Allah none!

Gani matter is still disturbing una for here?

some muslims are buried in coffins while others are not. End of story.

olabowale:

@Noetic: And since they delayed it, what difference was there: he came back alive? I hope you do reflect on things sometimes and not let your hatred eat you up alive?

What did Jesus give for the Christians; three days in the cave? I will like to see that. Alhamdulllah that my mother left that thing. I dont have to worry about the old woman which consumed me for many years on end. We discussed the alleged Satanic verses before and I will add this; If a person is trying to hide anything, would be have added half of it or some part, when it makes sense to make hidden everything?

Finally, why would the same person cursed and instructed people to curse the thing except that he hated it, while you said he worships that same thing? I hope you dont curse none of the three thing s you worship; Father, Son and Ghost?

If you dont, it means that you do worship them. If we curse Shaitan, know that we do not worship him, except we take him as an open enemy! You wanna clam Faweyinmi, it dimishes Allah none!

blah blah blah. . . . .Gani refused to be buried a muslim. . . why? he had his doubts about the authenticity of allah and mohammed. . .simple.

Jarus:

Much as I hate to use insultive words, I dare say Shehu Sanni is a fool. I have known him for long and I don't take his utterances seriously. He wrote one stupid book on Sharia sometime ago and the book was banned. He it was who was also spewing balderdash during the man-with-86-wives incident. In ideal Islamic society, Sheu Sanni would have been takfired .

err you mean KILLED?

Jarus:

I have doubts over his still being a Muslim with the kind of belief he harbours and utterances from his mouth in the last few years. Let him continue with his marxist thinking. He is a disservice to Islam.

err do you understand Marxism? What has it to do with Sani's opinion of how Gani was buried?

Jarus:

Now to the issue, all the people he mentioned were not prophets or sahaabah or authorities in Islam. We don't care about them. The rule for the rightness or wrongness of an action in Islam is simple: what does Allah say? What did the prophet say or do or approve? With regards to burying a dead Muslim, the rule is simply to bury immediately, without delay or if circumstances do not allow immediate burial, it should not go beyond next day. We don't care on who contravenes this rule and any attempt to justify deliberate delay of burial could lead one out of Islam.

and Gani was a prophet, sahaabah and authority in islam?

Jarus:

May Allah forgive Gani for breaking that rule.

How can a dead man break a rule?

Honestly can a muslim really engage his logical side of his brain?

May Allah forgive Gani for breaking that rule.

alhaji Jarus, you failed this one. How can Allah hold Gani for what he did not do?

Gani isnt the first and last muslim to be buried in a coffin.

Shroud burial was practiced by Christians, pagans and Jews alike in ancient times though it was popularized by Christians in the 2nd century. Islam was started in the 7th century.

the other key factor in muslim burials which all of you are ignoring in your haste to abuse Gani, is the body must face the east. So the issue of coffin or no coffin isnt the a-z of the matter.

I wonder why these fanatics will not allow Gani's soul some rest . . . . .

@nezan, you are one feeble fool. If you have nothing to offer other than insult kaje ka zauna

@tpiah, cease from being a nuisance. How many times have i educated you and your folks that Islam is an arabic name for peaceful submission/peace, i even made up a thread and stated jesus saying on Islam in the bible.


Islam has been in existence right from adam, every messenger used peaceful submission or peace in their respective native language, and for Muhammad being an arab and the last messenger till thy kingdom come used arabic. In my native langua islam means muslunci, does that make me reject Islam ? Get it woman

davidylan:

err you mean KILLED?

No, Takfir means declared an unbeliever.

davidylan:

err do you understand Marxism? What has it to do with Sani's opinion of how Gani was buried?

Who doesn't understand Marxism? It's a pity how people jump into conclusion without having full knowledge of something. Did I tell you he was a Marxist because of his opinion on Gani's burial?
This was somebody I had known for years and followed his writings and comments. He is an avowed Marxist. His Islamic ideology is heretical and his comments on Islamic issues have always been misleading and contradictory to what is known in Islam. Hypocritically, he is always quick to add 'I am a Muslim' when making such stupid statements and many media houses are quick to interview and quote him anytime there is a burning national Islamic/Muslim issue, knowing full well that his comments will deviate from what is known in Islam. Late Bala Usman(the leading northern Marxist), Tajudeen AbdulKareem(died in Kenya early this year), Abubakar Dangiwa Umar, and to some extent Lamido Sanusi(now CBN governor) are other northern intellectuals with radical mind and lean towards Marxism. Sanusi however claims he is not a Marxist but only employ Marxist philosophy in his writings. So David, I know Shehu Sani very well, and I did not expect less from him on teh Gani issue.

davidylan:

and Gani was a prophet, sahaabah and authority in islam?

I'm really disappointed in your not understanding my point in that sentence. What is ambiguous in that? I guess you did not read the newspaper story Funmi posted which was the background of this thread. Sheu was using some people in Egypt, Morocco, Syria etc to justify the delayed burial of Gani and I said the people he was mentioning were no authorities in Islam. So they can also err. I don't know what's ambiguous in that for you to misinterprete my statement. How can gani be a prophet! 

davidylan:


How can a dead man break a rule?
Honestly can a muslim really engage his logical side of his brain?

Oh my God, where has common sense gone this afternoon? Did you read the papers at all? Did you listen to or read Gani's children interview at all? This is worrying. So you have not heard that Gani was the one that ordered that his burial be delayed? Wasn't that a break of rule(before he died)?
This is serious.

Abuzola:

We all know this trick, the barbaric cleric just want to generate attention thats all. Even the christian know that Gani burial was unislamical. So the cleric should go on top of his house roof and proclaim whatever he desire

Shehu Sani is not and doesn't claim to be a cleric. He is one human rice activist from the north.

Make una allow Gani's spirit rest!

noetic2:

You are so right.

Gani realised the inherent fault in his religion and the inconsistencies of its doctrines and propagators. Gani chose to be honoured by the people who he served while living. . . and they gladly did.
what difference would it have made if Gani had been buried the same day? who actually gave instructions that muslims be buried the day they die? was it not mohammed?
did mohammed not retract many of his revelations, claiming that the devil gave them to him?

Onr thing is certain. . . . . .For Gani to have denounced the islamic burial implies that he had his doubts about everything islamic. May Gani's soul rest in perfect peace.

noetic2:

blah blah blah. . . . .Gani refused to be buried a muslim. . . why? he had his doubts about the authenticity of Allah and Mohammed. . .simple.

Gani, due to his radical nature surely erred in his ordering that his burial be delayed, but you clearly missed it by interpreting that action to mean he had doubts about the authenticity of Allah and Muhammad(SAW). Gani, due to his weak Islamic understanding, felt it will not be ok for the masses he had fought for not to see his dead body before being buried, and felt he should be buried in a 'modern Islamic way'(his words). This is surely wrong but obviously due to a weak understanding of Islam.
He himself said he should be buried in a modern 'Islamic' way, meaning till death, he recognized and accepted Islam as his religion. He added Islam to the way he wanted to be buried, even though there are no two ways about it. No altering the laid down rules in an attempt tp 'modernize'; that is how it had been and should be.

While Gani's being a Muslim does not add or take anything away from Islam, as we don't need a Gani to authenticate Islam for us, I want to give you 10 reasons why Gani was a Muslim.

1. Gani added Islam to the way he shoud be buried till point of death, even though his radical nature made him try to strike a balance between Islamic burial and his wishes(which he called 'modern Islamic burial'), but pitiably, he was wrong.

2. Gani swore in courts so many times with Qur'an

3. When asked what he usually took along when going to prison, he mentioned Qur'an in addition to other items. If he didn't believe in Qur'an he would have thought of including it in his prison items

4. When a ThisDay reporter, Simon Kolawole, asked him about his commitment to the 5 pillars of Islam in an interview in 2003, he answered he tried as much as possible observe his five daily prayers, fast during Ramadan and sponsor many people to Hajj every year. It takes conviction for a radical minded Gani to bow down and pray and deny himself food because of an order from Somebody he did not see. The Gani we all knew will not do what he wasn't convinced of. count Gani out of wanting to please anybody.

5. Gani openly stated in a newspaper interview that he was a Muslim that believed in Islam, in Allah, in Prophet Muhammad and in Qur'an but 'not a fanatical Muslim'.

6. Gani also stated publicly in a newspaper interview that he laid down a rule in his household that none of his male children should leave Islam. You will call this a breach of freedom of religion. A Gani that did not believe in Islam will not give such rule in his family and be bold and unapologetic enough to tell a newspaper reporter. He gave female the freedom to marry from any religion, but the male should never convert from Islam.

7. In another interview, Gani stated that 'after God and Prophet Mohammed, teh next person is my mother'. We all know teh extent to which he loved his late mother. May a Muslim will even forget to mention Prophet Mohammed and quickly say 'after God, teh next person is so so person(wife, mother etc)'. Not even teh spur of the moment made him to forget Prophet Mohammed's position. For a Gani to be conscious enough of putting Prophet Mohammed above his dear mother, shows he consciously believed in Prophet Muhammad.

8. Did you see the picture of his 70th birthday last year? He organized an Islamic prayer and his picture, holding Tesbih(Islamic rosary), bare footed, sitting in the midst of alfas, was in ThisDay newspaper.

9. His elder sister died earlier this year and he ordered that she buried without delay in Islamic manner. This means he believed in Islamic burial system but due to his love for masses, he felt his own body should be delayed so that the masses he fought for can see his corpse. This surely is wrong.

10. His children confirmed that Gani was a Muslim till death.

Again, we do not a Gani to endorse Islam for us, and in fact I had tried all thsi while to be silent on the flaws in Gani's burial but Noetic's assertion that 'for Gani to have denounced the Islamic burial implies that he had his doubts about everything islamic' pushed words out of my mouth.

I'm back to my spectator stands.

Nezan:

I wonder why these fanatics will not allow Gani's soul some rest . . . . .

Nezan:

Make una allow Gani's spirit rest!

tpia.:

Gani matter is still disturbing una for here?

In hope you saw that the person that started the discussion is not a Muslim.

@Nezan: « #9 on: Yesterday at 11:49:51 PM »

blah blah blah. . . . .Gani refused to be buried a muslim. . . why? he had his doubts about the authenticity of allah and mohammed. . .simple.

The blah raised to the 3rd power is to your ignorance, mr. noetic. the nonchurch going chrsitian, meaning you are a double keferi! Again if you claim he was not a muslim, we did not hear him declared himself as a Christian, double rejection he gave christianity! So there! If his interlectuality is the litmus for the correct religion, based on his last name, he left Ifa of his bloodline, on the way to Islam, he saw Judaism and Christianity and lost every love for them and chose islam. Now swalow that!

Jarus:


Gani, due to his radical nature surely erred in his ordering that his burial be delayed, but you clearly missed it by interpreting that action to mean he had doubts about the authenticity of Allah and Muhammad(SAW). Gani, due to his weak Islamic understanding, felt it will not be ok for the masses he had fought for not to see his dead body before being buried, and felt he should be buried in a 'modern Islamic way'(his words). This is surely wrong but obviously due to a weak understanding of Islam.
He himself said he should be buried in a modern 'Islamic' way, meaning till death, he recognized and accepted Islam as his religion. He added Islam to the way he wanted to be buried, even though there are no two ways about it. No altering the laid down rules in an attempt tp 'modernize'; that is how it had been and should be.

he was not buried islamically. . .simple. what u make of it is irrelevant.

While Gani's being a Muslim does not add or take anything away from Islam, as we don't need a Gani to authenticate Islam for us, I want to give you 10 reasons why Gani was a Muslim.

1. Gani added Islam to the way he shoud be buried till point of death, even though his radical nature made him try to strike a balance between Islamic burial and his wishes(which he called 'modern Islamic burial'), but pitiably, he was wrong.

but he was not buried according to the commandments of ur "prophet". . , , or was he?

2. Gani swore in courts so many times with Qur'an

when was the last time Gani took the witness stand in court?

3. When asked what he usually took along when going to prison, he mentioned Qur'an in addition to other items. If he didn't believe in Qur'an he would have thought of including it in his prison items

where is this recorded?

4. When a ThisDay reporter, Simon Kolawole, asked him about his commitment to the 5 pillars of Islam in an interview in 2003, he answered he tried as much as possible observe his five daily prayers, fast during Ramadan and sponsor many people to Hajj every year. It takes conviction for a radical minded Gani to bow down and pray and deny himself food because of an order from Somebody he did not see. The Gani we all knew will not do what he wasn't convinced of. count Gani out of wanting to please anybody.

I read that article by simon. . . and my deduction was that Gani was very non-challant about islam. . .cos he had his doubts.

5. Gani openly stated in a newspaper interview that he was a Muslim that believed in Islam, in Allah, in Prophet Muhammad and in Qur'an but 'not a fanatical Muslim'.

6. Gani also stated publicly in a newspaper interview that he laid down a rule in his household that none of his male children should leave Islam. You will call this a breach of freedom of religion. A Gani that did not believe in Islam will not give such rule in his family and be bold and unapologetic enough to tell a newspaper reporter. He gave female the freedom to marry from any religion, but the male should never convert from Islam.

7. In another interview, Gani stated that 'after God and Prophet Mohammed, teh next person is my mother'. We all know teh extent to which he loved his late mother. May a Muslim will even forget to mention Prophet Mohammed and quickly say 'after God, teh next person is so so person(wife, mother etc)'. Not even teh spur of the moment made him to forget Prophet Mohammed's position. For a Gani to be conscious enough of putting Prophet Mohammed above his dear mother, shows he consciously believed in Prophet Muhammad.

source?

8. Did you see the picture of his 70th birthday last year? He organized an Islamic prayer and his picture, holding Tesbih(Islamic rosary), bare footed, sitting in the midst of alfas, was in ThisDay newspaper.

9. His elder sister died earlier this year and he ordered that she buried without delay in Islamic manner. This means he believed in Islamic burial system but due to his love for masses, he felt his own body should be delayed so that the masses he fought for can see his corpse. This surely is wrong.

10. His children confirmed that Gani was a Muslim till death.

All of these are irrelevant after thoughts, . . . .why was he not buried the same day he died?

Again, we do not a Gani to endorse Islam for us, and in fact I had tried all thsi while to be silent on the flaws in Gani's burial but Noetic's assertion that 'for Gani to have denounced the Islamic burial implies that he had his doubts about everything islamic' pushed words out of my mouth.

I'm back to my spectator stands.

Gani is an intelligent dude, well informed and well educated. If an educated and informed person like Gani could refuse to be buried as commanded by mohammed. , , . , this singular fact cannot be easily dismissed.

So the man is not even a cleric. No wonder the sky is blue

whosoever long to meeting hs Lord, Allah will receive him/her in the same manner. He will not let his/her longing be in vain, wasted, it will be another means of Mercy among many many available for believers.

Whosoever is nonchalant about meeting his/her Lord, Allah will shall be in the same exact manner with him/her. Doom is waiting for the body and soul, a place of regret they will reside in it as long as Allah wishes and no one, and I say it, again can help in His decision.

Whosoever is rejecting his/her Lord as the sole sort out Object/Focus of his/her worship, Allah will give him/her due Justice and the fire of Hell is a place of their rewards.

Whosoever denies the existence of his/her Lord, Allah will deny him/her Mercy and their place of due punishment in a just manner is Hellfire!


The last three are completely different from the first. I take the position in the first. Noetic, and christian brethren of his, and the atheists and agnostics, etc, be ready to take your Justices in the manner you have worshipped, denied, joked, mocked and worked you magic, a completely fake miracles as humans.

Allah is aware of all yor deeds. I seek His protection against His Anger, against my own evil, and against the evils of any and all His creations.

@Noetic,
Want a summary source of my assertions especially where  he said after God and prophet Muhammad, picture in the midst of alfas etc, pick Tuesday, 15-09-09 of ThisDay wt a special 8-page feature of Gani's past interviews.

just produce a link.

Jarus:

No, Takfir means declared an unbeliever.

"If anyone changes his religion, kill him" (Bukhari 9.84.57)

Jarus:

Who doesn't understand Marxism? It's a pity how people jump into conclusion without having full knowledge of something. Did I tell you he was a Marxist because of his opinion on Gani's burial?
This was somebody I had known for years and followed his writings and comments. He is an avowed Marxist. His Islamic ideology is heretical and his comments on Islamic issues have always been misleading and contradictory to what is known in Islam. Hypocritically, he is always quick to add 'I am a Muslim' when making such stupid statements and many media houses are quick to interview and quote him anytime there is a burning national Islamic/Muslim issue, knowing full well that his comments will deviate from what is known in Islam. Late Bala Usman(the leading northern Marxist), Tajudeen AbdulKareem(died in Kenya early this year), Abubakar Dangiwa Umar, and to some extent Lamido Sanusi(now CBN governor) are other northern intellectuals with radical mind and lean towards Marxism. Sanusi however claims he is not a Marxist but only employ Marxist philosophy in his writings. So David, I know Shehu Sani very well, and I did not expect less from him on teh Gani issue.

A long diatribe that addresses nothing. What has marxism to do with Shehu Sani's opinion on Gani's burial?

Jarus:

I'm really disappointed in your not understanding my point in that sentence. What is ambiguous in that? I guess you did not read the newspaper story Funmi posted which was the background of this thread. Sheu was using some people in Egypt, Morocco, Syria etc to justify the delayed burial of Gani and I said the people he was mentioning were no authorities in Islam. So they can also err. I don't know what's ambiguous in that for you to misinterprete my statement. How can gani be a prophet! 

If those people are allowed to err because they are not prophets then why are you annoyed at Gani's PRIVATE DECISION on how he shld be buried? Does Gani's late burial prevent you from jaanat?

Jarus:

Oh my God, where has common sense gone this afternoon? Did you read the papers at all? Did you listen to or read Gani's children interview at all? This is worrying. So you have not heard that Gani was the one that ordered that his burial be delayed? Wasn't that a break of rule(before he died)?
This is serious.

If Gani's children decided to go against his decision and bury him early would Gani have played by the rules?

Abuzola:

So the man is not even a cleric. No wonder the sky is blue

Must one be a cleric in order to speak for Islam?. Olabowale and Jarus are not clerics, are they?

Sani queried: "Where were the so-called Islamic clerics in Nigeria when Anwal Saddat was buried in Egypt? Where were they when Yasar Arafat was buried in Palestine? Where were they when King Hassan of Morocco was buried and where were they when the King of Syria was buried?"
"Or were they uninformed, or rather were they ignorant when the people of Iran, Syria, Egypt, Morocco, or of Palestine were celebrating their leaders even in death? So, Gani's life was a life of service to mankind and humanity, and his burial was a people's will of love for him."

The human rights activist further stressed that "instead of the Islamic clerics to voice out things that matters to the common people and not raise issues on trivialities, they were displaying their ignorance and evil passion to Nigerian masses. Whether Gani was buried with fanfare or not, will not change the fact that he has served the generality of Nigerian people and that his contributions to the development of the society will continue to be remembered.

"I have discovered that this set of people who have been so docile to the issues that affect the country, the only issue that evokes their interest is the only issue of Gani's burial. I am a Muslim and I am hundred per cent in the know of what has happened".

Thank God there are some Muslims who really do think.
This is impressive

olabowale:



The last three are completely different from the first. I take the position in the first. Noetic, and christian brethren of his, and the atheists and agnostics, etc, be ready to take your Justices in the manner you have worshipped, denied, joked, mocked and worked you magic, a completely fake miracles as humans.

Allah is aware of all yor deeds. I seek His protection against His Anger, against my own evil, and against the evils of any and all His creations.

Since you claim to be part of the misdeeds, it means allah will punish you in the same measure by which  he will punish those who perform fake miracles for money. Am I wrong or will allah spare you because you are muslim?

$osisi:



Thank God there are some Muslims who really do think.
This is impressive

Don't let Abuzola curse you for this statement. Cover yourself with the blood of Jesus now.