FriendChoice:


Thank you for the respect and maturity you showed in replying these questions

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. . Roman 8:14

If I see your son and say hey may son, I know you will consider it normal. But if I say hey by begotten son, then that means I have sex with your wife to have that child, and you will sue me for adultery. Sex is the function of lower animals and never be attributed to God. It's blasphemy.


The word ‘begotten’ mentioned in the Gospel of John, Chap 3 vs. 16 has been thrown out from the Revised Standard Version of the Bible as an interpolation, as a fabrication.

The Revised Standard Version has been revised by 32 Christian Scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 different co- operating denominations and these Scholars have removed this blasphemous word without any ceremony as an interpolation, concoction, fabrication, and adulteration.

Yet the majority of Christians are unaware of this important fact because they do






Now I don’t understand why many Christians would quote this verse, specifically Trinitarians, because what does this verse prove? Trinitarians do not believe Jesus is the Father, so why do they quote it? Are they quoting it to try and show that Jesus is equal to the Father? Well that isn’t true, since the Gospel of John shows the opposite, in fact if we quote one verse back we read:


29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than ALL; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

This is verse 29, it comes right before verse 30, and in verse 29 Jesus says the Father is greater than ALL, this obviously includes Jesus since he is not the Father.

So therefore how to Christians try and assume that this verse shows equality between Jesus and the Father is beyond me, just a verse before it Jesus says the Father is greater than everyone!

In fact this is not the first time that Jesus says the Father is greater than him, he does it again later:

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I (John 14:28)

So here we once again have Jesus claiming the Father is greater than him, so how is Jesus equal to the Father when Jesus says the contrary?





I found this one very interesting, so you believe in old testament Do you eat pork? Do you drink alc




No the comforter is Prophet Muhammad Pbum NoT the holy spirit, the holy spirit was present in many occasions. But Jesus clearly explain the comforter cannot come unless he depart, why do you like twisting what is clear


[b] John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever" color]


God will give another, that means Jesus is the first comforter. He shall abide with you forever, means he is the last prophet.

[color=blue] John 14:26 "But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

He shall teach u all things, and then remind you on Jesus is messenger of God

John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.


Jesus have many things to tell, but you cannot bear them now, until the comforter which is Muhammad pbuh has come.


I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when HE , the Spirit of truth, is come, HE will guide you into all truth: for HE shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever HE shall hear, [that] shall HE speak: and HE will shew you things to come. HE SHALL GLORIFY ME: for HE shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you." [/b]

HE HE HE x.8 Masculine.

Islam is the only non Christian Faith that make it an article of faith to believe in Jesus Pbum, confirming that the comforter will glorify him. It's so no Muslim is Muslim if he don't believe Jesus is the messenger of God.



[b] "another comforter" means Ahmad in Arabic

The verse about the comforter is also in the Quran

And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."





MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK
OF DEUTERONOMY: 18:18

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."


The prophet described in the above verse must have the following three characteristics:

1. He will be like Moses.

Some people feel that this prophecy refers to the prophet Jesus, on whom be peace. But, although Jesus* was truly a prophet of God, he is not the prophet spoken of here. He was born miraculously, and, finally, God raised him up miraculously. On the other hand, Muhammad* is more like Moses*; both were born in a natural way and both died natural deaths.

2. He will come from the brothers of the Israelites, i.e. the Ishmaelites.


Abraham* had two sons, Ishmael* and Isaac* (Genesis, chapter 21). Ishmael* became the grandfather of the Arab nation, and Isaac became the grandfather of the Jewish nation. The prophet spoken of was to come not from among the Jews themselves, but from among their brothers, the Ishmaelites. Muhammad*, a descendant of Ishmael, is indeed that prophet.



3. God will put His words in the mouth of that prophet and he will declare what God commanded him.

Neither the content of the revelation, nor its form, were of Mohammed’s devising. Both were given by the angel, and Mohammed’s task was only to repeat what he heard.” [/b]



This is just few, i can continue

promise10:

You are still sounding so deluded and as such derailing the thread. But anyway, I will try my best to expose the delusion in you more and more.

I have read my bible over and over again and never saw where God raped mary. If you have seen any place proving your claim, post it here. You can even prove your claim from your quran. But, the last time I checked in the quran about mohammed, it was seriously TERRIBLE. He killed many like a devil, married a 6yr old girl(paedophilia), was a criminal, married 11 wives while telling you guy not to mary more than 4. Did I forget to add he was a RAPIST?


First of all, list out the foolishness you have found in christianity and propose your correction with your so-called wisdom. I am ALL-IN in doing that for islam, that's my best job! Especially for your paedophilia prophet!

How does what Ex-christian atheists, who say there is no God, affect my belief in holy spirit as the comforter Jesus talked about? Wait, are you insane?

Then what if there views on christianity are false? What if they didn't understand the bible before they convert? Then what is my business with their faith? Even if all of them say the same, does it make it true?

Where did you read that mary had sex with a spirit(God) knowingly or unknowingly. That's how useless, mohammed's teaching on SEX can make someone think in a very crazy deranged manner.

It's like you have taken that CAMEL PISS DRINK again as prescribed to you in the quran!

How can a man have sex with a spirit? How deluded are you bro?

Okay, say mary had sex with a spirit(God), how then is it virgin birth? Do you think from your anus?

God is the father of Jesus, in the sense that he is the incarnate of God in flesh to carry out the redemption plan.

Mary is NOT DIVINELY the mother of Jesus(God), but biologically as the human being Jesus AS A MAN was, mary was the mother. That's in terms of HUMANITY. In the beginning, God has no mother or wife or children. God is not a sky daddy, he is a spirit.


Even if without mary, jesus will can still come. But if he had come through any other means, nobody would have believed him, that he's a man. So, for him to be believed as a man, he came as a man through mary.

I wonder what atheists will have to say if the Jesus was not born as a man but was DROPPED from heaven. I wonder.

The work of mary there is that the incarnate of God would MANIFEST through her, AS A HUMAN BEING in the person of Jesus. So that he would carry out the salvation mission as a man, DIE as a man and resurrect as the RISEN LORD!

promise10:

They are trying there best to identify with christianity, but since then they are still sounding so foolish.

As for friendchoice, he is a guy I have tried my best to have a one-one debate with him here on NL, see it here https://www.nairaland.com/3358667/discussion-strictly-between-friendchoice-muslim

The discussion ended with a total dishonesty and a criminalistic behaviour or rewriting what he wrote in previous comments to suit his islamic lie and striking my posts like a fool. That made me to end the debate because I don't argue in such a foolish manner.

Dpearlz:


Thanks sir for your response.

Please I’m sorry I will answer your questions a bit randomly. Everything I will state is according to what I believe as a Christian through reading the bible.

From the verse you quoted (Deuteronomy 18:, I will quote Genesis 22:2 (take now thy son, thy only son, whom thou love). Also Genesis 17:16-21, here in the scripture God talked about Isaac and Ishmael. My God is a God of covenant (Gen 17:7, 15-16. note. it read seed and not seeds) and from the above scripture it is very clear that Isaac is the child of covenant and Ishmael was in a sense disregarded. This was repeated in the earlier verse I quoted. Also looking at Genesis 25:1-5 it is clear that Abraham had many more children after Isaac and Ishmael but Isaac is the child of promise from whom the ‘prophet like unto Moses’ will be raised.

The similarities between Moses and Jesus are, Moses was a mediator in time past and Jesus is our mediators as at present. God spoke to His people in that dispensation through Moses and Jesus came teaching and living God’s Word. That’s why when we pray we pray through Jesus. Also through Moses a Way of life (The LAW) was given to men but through Jesus another way of Life (Grace and Truth) was given to God’s children.

Jesus was born from the tribe of Bethlehem which is among the 12 tribes of Israel with other tribes being brethren unto Benjamin under the Abrahamic covenant (you can trace the physical lineage of Jesus in Mathew (Mathew 1:1-16).

The comforter IS the Holy Spirit. John 14:26 (But the comforter, WHICH IS THE HOLY SPIRIT, whom (referring to a person) the Father will send in my (Jesus’s Name), He (talking about the Holy Spirit) shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance all the things which I have said to you.

According to this bible portion, it clearly shows that Muhammad is not the comforter but THE HOLY SPIRIT IS the comforter.

Here the characteristic of the COMFORTER is clearly stated. He won’t bring a new doctrine but will teach (bring more insight, revelation and better understanding) and help us remember the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Another comforter/teacher in the sense that Jesus was the teacher/comforter as at that time he was making this statements. That’s why He said if he doesn’t go the comforter cannot come.

About the old testament laws

Although I don’t drink alcohol neither do I eat pork meat, I believe in the Old Testament (covenant) as a shadow of the New Testament (covenant) which is the true covenant. I don’t struggle to keep the Law because of the dispensation I am living in, that is the dispensation of Grace through the finished work of Christ Jesus on the Cross of Calvary (Mathew 22:37-40, Colossians 2:6-11, 16-18, Galatians 5:1-4,14, Acts 10:10-14).

Jesus being the Begotten Son of God

Jesus was conceived mysteriously according to the account in Luke 1:31-35 (Verse 37 is also important). Thus it wasn’t stated that sex was involved.
He was an adopted son of Joseph which under every law on earth makes him Joseph’s son (Mathew 1:20-25). But in His true nature he is the begotten Son of the Father as explained before.

About the removal of some key truths in the bible, men have tried to dilute the potency of the word of God since time immemorial. That’s why I mainly stick to the KJV of the bible and read a few others for a bit more clarity (Revelation 22:18-19).

About the trinity
Look at John 14:9.
And for clarity (at least for me) look at 1 John 5:7 {For there are three that bear record in heaven, The Father, the Word (the word is Jesus as explained before) and The Holy Ghost: These three are one}.

I am sorry I haven’t read the Koran or know much about Muhammad but on these truths from the bible, that’s where I stand personally.

Thanks a lot, I do appreciate you, your vast knowledge and your inquisitive nature.

HardMirror:

Both are very dumb, but let's be honest the dumbness of christians takes the crown

THE DUMBNESS OF CHRISTIANS ALONE HAS ABOUT A HUNDRED CROWNS, NOT ONE.

FriendChoice:
"""""...... I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when HE , the Spirit of truth, is come, HE will guide you into all truth: for HE shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever HE shall hear, [that] shall HE speak: and HE will shew you things to come. HE SHALL GLORIFY ME: for HE shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."


John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"

John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Who is blind is blind, only God can make him see.

FriendChoice:

1. John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

3. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto
you".

"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the Greek word Periclytos . In the Gospel of John 14:16,
15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.

Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos.
Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name.

Emusan:


As you name those verses:
1. "And I will pray my Father" Does Jesus have a Father?...."that he may abide with you forever" Where is Muhammad today?

2. "whom I will send unto you from the Father," So Muhammad is with God before Jesus sent him to Muslims Also, "which proceedeth from the Father" Muhammad proceedeth from the Father. waoooo I don't know that God is actually a Father to Muhammad. Lastly "he shall testify of me." So Muhammad was actually a servant of Jesus testifying up and down about Him.

3. "but if I depart, I will send him unto" Jesus emphasised it again that He will send Muhammad.

I know the silly thing you'll come up with is that those verses are corrupted.

But let me wait and watch!

Emusan:
Even the Devil himself will be laughing at your darken heart; you see the truth but purposely covered it with lies.
God will have mercy on your soul.

Let me point out many things in those verses you quoted and let's see whether you agree with it.
What the HE will do according to those verses.
1. He will glorify ME(Jesus), How does Muhammad glory Jesus?
2. He shall receive of MINE(Jesus), Did Muhammad receive anything from Jesus? What is that thing that belongs to Jesus that Muhammad received from Him?
3. He may abide with you FOREVER, Where is Muhammad today?
4. In fact this one is most astonished among them, but if I(Jesus) depart, I(Jesus) will send him(Muhammad) unto you. Do you agree that Jesus is the one who sent Muhammad?
5. But I(Jesus) go to my FATHER, Do you believe Jesus has a Father?


The only one blind is the one who perverted the truth in the face of evidence.

And only God can make you see the truth in those verses indeed.

FriendChoice:
The message is clear, Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is the final messenger, his message will be with you forever. No prophet God will sent again, the message of Islam will remained till here after.

Muhammad peace be upon him was with God before Jesus left

. According to Bible God is father to many.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. . Roman 8:14

2. "whom I will send unto you from the Father," So Muhammad is with God before Jesus sent him to Muslims

Islam is the only non Christian faith that makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus. No Muslim is Muslim if he don't believe in Jesus. Because Jesus is a Muslim and servant of Allah and he submit his will to God.


Muhammad pbum (the comforter) has come and he has testify to all mankind that Jesus the son of Mary is a servant of God.

He has testify what was revealed to Jesus that
[b] ‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ ( Isaiah 45:21-22,
Jonah 3:5-10 )


And says in the Perfect scripture.

(Remember) when the angels said,

“O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him (God), whose name is the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, revered in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (to God). He will speak to the people from his cradle and as a man, and he is of the
righteous.” She said, “My Lord, how can I have a child when no mortal has touched me?” He said, “So (it will be). God creates what He wills. If He decrees a thing, He says to it only, ‘Be!’ and it is.” (Quran, 3:45-47)

Jesus was born miraculously by the command of God, the same command that had brought Adam into being with neither a father nor a mother. God has
said:

The case of Jesus with God is like the case
of Adam. He created him from dust, and then He said to him, “Be!” and he came into being. (Quran, 3:59)

During his prophetic mission, Jesus performed many miracles. God tells us that Jesus said:

“I have come to you with a sign from your
Lord. I make for you the shape of a bird out of clay, I breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God’s permission. I heal the blind from birth and the leper. And I bring the dead to life by God’s permission. And I tell you what you eat and what you store in your houses....” (Quran, 3:49)

And Bible says :

"Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.



If I am going to worship any person then it will be the fatherless, motherless son of God Adam pbum, rather than a man, a servant, a slave of Allah pbum who was begotten by a woman. [/b]

Emusan:
If you know you can't address my points one by one just say it, people will understand your delusion.



So it is the MESSAGE of Muhammad that will be with you for ever not Muhammad himself any more see the way you've been scamming yourself. But the verses say THE COMFORTER and NOT the MESSAGE of the COMFORTER.



LOL......so Muhammad actually DEVINE



Stop this attitude because it's dangerous for your health and salvation.

But do you believe God as a Father which Jesus called Him in more than one verses you've been quoting since

[size=14pt]THESE ARE MY POINTS YOU FAILLED TO ADDRESS BUT ATTACKING STRAWMAN[/size]
As you name those verses:
1. "And I will pray my Father" Does Jesus have a Father?...."that he may abide with you forever" Where is Muhammad today?

[size=14pt]2. "whom I will send unto you from the Father," So Muhammad is with God before Jesus sent him to Muslims [/size] Also, "which proceedeth from the Father" Muhammad proceedeth from the Father. waoooo I don't know that God is actually a Father to Muhammad. Lastly "he shall testify of me." So Muhammad was actually a servant of Jesus testifying up and down about Him.

[size=14pt]3. "but if I depart, I will send him unto" Jesus emphasised it again that He will send Muhammad.[/size]

1. He will glorify ME(Jesus), How does Muhammad glory Jesus?
[size=14pt]2. He shall receive of MINE(Jesus), Did Muhammad receive anything from Jesus? What is that thing that belongs to Jesus that Muhammad received from Him?[/size]
3. He may abide with you FOREVER, Where is Muhammad today?
[size=14pt]4. In fact this one is most astonished among them, but if I(Jesus) depart, I(Jesus) will send him(Muhammad) unto you. Do you agree that Jesus is the one who sent Muhammad?[/size]
5. But I(Jesus) go to my FATHER, Do you believe Jesus has a Father?

I know the silly thing you'll come up with is that those verses are corrupted.



[size=14pt]NOBODY ASK YOU THESE AND YOU'RE STILL PREAMBULATING[/size]

FriendChoice:
I am very clear in my explanations, I don't have your time anymore. When other people read they will understand me. No need to waste my time anymore on you. Even when it's clear you're wrong. You closed your eyes. Bye

FriendChoice:


Matthew 7:21. Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Emusan:


You now agree that Jesus is the one who sent Muhammad.

Jesus said and I quote [size=14pt]"whom I (Jesus) will send unto you from the Father," and "but if I (Jesus) depart, I (Jesus) will send him (Muhammad) unto"[/size]

If not explain these statements of Jesus from those verses you believed it's a reference to your prophet.

Copy and paste won't favour you.

Emusan:
If you know you can't address my points one by one just say it, people will understand your delusion.



So it is the MESSAGE of Muhammad that will be with you for ever not Muhammad himself any more see the way you've been scamming yourself. But the verses say THE COMFORTER and NOT the MESSAGE of the COMFORTER.



LOL......so Muhammad actually DEVINE



Stop this attitude because it's dangerous for your health and salvation.

But do you believe God as a Father which Jesus called Him in more than one verses you've been quoting since

[size=14pt]THESE ARE MY POINTS YOU FAILLED TO ADDRESS BUT ATTACKING STRAWMAN[/size]
As you name those verses:
1. "And I will pray my Father" Does Jesus have a Father?...."that he may abide with you forever" Where is Muhammad today?

[size=14pt]2. "whom I will send unto you from the Father," So Muhammad is with God before Jesus sent him to Muslims [/size] Also, "which proceedeth from the Father" Muhammad proceedeth from the Father. waoooo I don't know that God is actually a Father to Muhammad. Lastly "he shall testify of me." So Muhammad was actually a servant of Jesus testifying up and down about Him.

[size=14pt]3. "but if I depart, I will send him unto" Jesus emphasised it again that He will send Muhammad.[/size]

1. He will glorify ME(Jesus), How does Muhammad glory Jesus?
[size=14pt]2. He shall receive of MINE(Jesus), Did Muhammad receive anything from Jesus? What is that thing that belongs to Jesus that Muhammad received from Him?[/size]
3. He may abide with you FOREVER, Where is Muhammad today?
[size=14pt]4. In fact this one is most astonished among them, but if I(Jesus) depart, I(Jesus) will send him(Muhammad) unto you. Do you agree that Jesus is the one who sent Muhammad?[/size]
5. But I(Jesus) go to my FATHER, Do you believe Jesus has a Father?

I know the silly thing you'll come up with is that those verses are corrupted.



[size=14pt]NOBODY ASK YOU THESE AND YOU'RE STILL PREAMBULATING[/size]

Gboyee4fun:


bro, I know Mohammed and I understand him, he was called by God but Paul was called and chosen,.. and I say it again, Mohammed is a human being like you that has soul like you...go and do your search about spirit.

Gboyee4fun:


lol, the holy spirit is fully on Christ Jesus while he is on earth...the holy spirit fully rested upon him, Don't forget I said Christ was not that active until, Holy spirit fully rested upon him...and that's what john the baptist saw....so Jesus Christ has to leave/depart so that he can realise the Holy spirit again to be able to function in the life of the disciples.....that's where the body of Christ is divided because none of the disciple can have the fullness of Holy spirit has Jesus did.

toshino4real:


According to the following verses, what has the holy ghost taught any christian since Jesus (pbuh) departed that you cannot bear?

John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is
expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away,
the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I
will send him unto you.
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin,
and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because
they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go
to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment,
because the prince of this world is judged.
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot
bear them now. Howbeit when HE , the Spirit of truth,
is come, HE will guide you into all truth: for HE shall
not speak of himself; but whatsoever HE shall hear,
[that] shall HE speak: and HE will shew you things to
come. HE SHALL GLORIFY ME: for HE shall receive of
mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."

toshino4real:


According to the following verses, what has the holy ghost taught any christian since Jesus (pbuh) departed that you cannot bear?

John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is
expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away,
the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I
will send him unto you.
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin,
and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because
they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go
to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment,
because the prince of this world is judged.

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot
bear them now. Howbeit when HE , the Spirit of truth,
is come, HE will guide you into all truth: for HE shall
not speak of himself; but whatsoever HE shall hear,
[that] shall HE speak: and HE will shew you things to
come. HE SHALL GLORIFY ME: for HE shall receive of
mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."

promise10:

How I wish I would have a VIDEO debate with this @friendchoice. Who knows if he would agree?

FriendChoice:


I am very clear in my explanations, I don't have your time anymore. When other people read they will understand me. No need to waste my time anymore on you. Even when it's clear you're wrong. You closed your eyes. Bye

FriendChoice:


Muslim means a person to submit to the Will of God

Jesus is a Muslim because he submit his will to God and Islam has been existing since Adam (PBUM)

You can only said the Bible is older than Quran. And I totally agree with that. In the Quran, the Bible was mentioned.

We Muslims believe that Moses received the Torah and we believe that Jesus received the Ingeel. Some of the things in the Quran is similar to what is brought in the previous books.
This is natural they are all from GOD

Jesus (Pbum) talk on the coming of Prophet Muhammad (Pbum)

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

APCsupporter:
The funny and unbelievable things coupled with the thousands of contradictions and versions of the bible should tell everything. In fact being a pastor is one of the most lucrative business today. Just feed them with lies and scare them with hell and become a private jet owner

FriendChoice:



I have done my research before I asked.





In the above verses we read " if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

" The comforter can not be the Holy Ghost because the Holy Ghost (according to the Bible) was "with" them already (and even quite active) long before the coming of Jesus (peace be upon him) himself and then throughout his ministry. Read for example.

[b] Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

1 Samuel 10:10 "And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them."

1 Samuel 11:6 "And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly."

"Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?" (Isaiah 63:11)

"For he (John the Baptist) shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb." (Luke 1:15)

"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee." (Luke 1:35)

"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost" (Luke
1:41)

"And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying," (Luke 1:67)

"And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and
devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him." (Luke 2:25)

"And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost (Simeon), that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ." (Luke 2:26)

"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him (Jesus), and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased." (Luke 3:22)

"Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost." (John 20:21-22) [/b]

Did they or did they not already receive the Holy Ghost? Was Jesus (peace be upon him) not still with them when they received the Holy Ghost? Was the Holy Ghost not with Simeon, Mary, Elisabeth and Zacharias before the birth of Jesus (peace be upon him)? Was the Holy Ghost not with Moses (peace be upon him) when he parted the seas?