hahn:

Then why did you start the thread in the first place?

hopefulLandlord:
All I want is for people to ask questions, questions they're afraid to ask, ask them

But Why then do we argue with each other?

To what end?

Or am I going through the motions right now?

Why do we spend so much time discussing this?

Why don't I just leave them alone to believe what they wanna believe?

Why all these "wars"?

Why this hamster wheel that seem not to be going nowhere?

What do we gain from their leaving their "delusions"? Since its obvious the Nigeria might be worse off without such a delusion?

Why?

Why?

Why?

I'm done with atheism arguments, it wears one off when arguing without establishing an even common base



I'm running a bit with emotions here

Why am I here?

4everGod:


stop stop stop bro! I can sense something deeper here. Now you are beginning to grasp something, something bigger than our minds or thoughts. Something that defines us even when we do not feel it or see it. Something words cannot define or describe or even the mind understand.

Now you are asking whys that is beginning to put your brain in over drive

hopefulLandlord:
We argue with them so they can free themselves from their delusions, they argue with us so we can free ourselves from our delusions

Each party thinking the other is deluded, who's really deluded?

The even basis is really really hard to establish

Even if we do, why?

What happens if the whole world becomes theists or atheists?

What's the point of all the googling, copy pasting, the anger at watching your argument shot down? The happiness of seeing your theist opponent apparently defeated?

Does he then become atheist because we've defeated them in an argument?

Does the atheist turn theist because he's been defeated in an argument?

An argument without common baseline


I don't see a wall

You say its a purple wall

But the wall (according to the purple wall guy) is for some reason beyond reach so its not only almost impossible for them to "prove" one of them wrong


Why the arguments then?

I think I need to be sincere with myself by stopping all these arguments

I'll just be active generally on Nairaland, I'm done with these arguments without bases

When an arsenal and Chelsea fan argues with each saying they "know" their team would beat the other

There's a match that would decide that, the outcome, the result


Now imagine they'll never play each other?


What end therefore is the argument?

hopefulLandlord:


Exactly, I think they're deluded, I try to help them out of the delusion


Its like one mad man and one sane man in a room

Both believe the other is insane

But there's no one there to declare one of them insane

So they stay there and think each other is insane

What's the basis for insanity between the both of them?

If both can't agree on want insanity is, who therefore is insane?

promise10:

Bro take this easy, because I can see that you getting this serious. And it may give you some mental breakdown.

Just have a break, relax your brain let's continue.

I love this ride!

hopefulLandlord:


Bros, don't misunderstand me

Whichever one makes more sense to you is your cup of coffee



I just realised how pointless these arguments I've spent so much of my free time engaging in is pointless at both ends


Who is mad? You need to define madness


Its all just pointless

hopefulLandlord:


You don't know why I became atheist, do you?

My "pointlessness" thing is when a realisation hits you that you shouldn't be arguing anyways

Whatever made you lack belief is your personal cup of coffee

I just realised that all I've been against is "indoctrination"

Not forcing your choice on anyone when they can't decide for themselves

That has been my point, I retraced my steps and realised that's the reason, but its impossible to stop that indoctrination, very very impossible

Every human should be free to make their own choices not chosing the belief of the child and he lives defending it


I realise your point about you not even interested in converting us, you're interested in us not influencing "shaky Christians" who could be swayed by us

What's the point?

I'm done with this biko

Ranchhoddas:
@ Hopefullandlord... I think you should agree with him on his definition of God for the sake of the thread. I personally think it is far easier to refute the idea of the Christian God than theism generally.

hopefulLandlord:


True brother but I don't want to anymore

I'm done arguing against the existence of what I term imaginary, the thread isn't dead bro

You're free to engage him




LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

YOU'VE JUST WITNESSED THE LAST POST BY HOPEFULLANDLORD ON RELIGION SECTION

ITS BEEN FUN ALL THE WAY


SPECIAL THANKS TO FELLOW ATHEISTS

ALSO TO THE THEISTS

IM GONNA MISS OUR ARGUMENTS BUT ILL BE WITH YOU ALL ONLY AS OBSERVER

IF YOU PAY ENOUGH ATTENTION, YOU MIGHT SEE MY MONICKER HERE VIEWING YOUR THREADS


THAT'S ALL FOLKS!!!!!!!










HALAMADRID!


Y NADA MAS!!!!

Ranchhoddas:
More like disappointed. I was expecting him to tear this guy to pieces.

DeSepiero:
That's probably his last post as HopefulLandord.
We'll surely be seeing more of him in the guise of another moniker.

stephenmorris:
what i will tell you is don't do that foolish things nairaland atheist do ,,,,,,,de activating your account instead live the account for future reference

udysweet:
Was tagged somewhere and so I came to read. See the smile plastered on my face, I'm grinning from ear to ear here.
OK so one more friend made here, promise1
God bless you
I'm learning o Lord grant me grace to be like Your children here representing you. In fact I'm challenged have to start reading more now especially my Bible

Ranchhoddas:
Haven't you heard? Hopefullandlord has retired. I hope he's does a Lionel Messi though.

promise10:
But, would you mind taking over?

Ranchhoddas:
Feeling like James Bond now right?

promise10:

No bro, I think we still have a long way to go with this thread! Don't do this!

You have given me what I wanted, so can we just continue?

You might have called your belief in indoctrination, but you won't probably call your good morals an indoctrination. Think about this!

I have been an atheist before, I have passed through all this things, and now I am convinced beyond death and every reasonable doubt that HE IS. No jokes! I searched for him SINCERELY and I found him.

Note: SINCERITY, the way out of atheism.

promise10:

Oh bro, you have been following and I love it.

Bro, would you mind taking it from where he stopped? To get this ride moving.

hopefulLandlord:
This has made me realise how pointless this theistic atheistic arguments are


There's NO base to start

I have already seen this pointlessness from a mile away

How does someone define what he thinks is imaginary?

How do you define a colour without mentioning it?

How do you argue the colour of a wall with someone who thinks there is no wall there in the first place?

There is no basis

Maybe I'm not thinking straigh

wirinet:


You are gradually maturing atheistically, because you have come to the realization that atheists - theist arguments are pointless. Just present your views and let theists present theirs and leave it at that.
Theist - atheist arguments are like a man who only understands Yoruba arguing with a man who only understands Chinese about which language is the best. The is simply no means of communication. Even the same words in both languages will have different meanings.

I also passed through the frustrations and fruitlessness of arguing with theists in my university days, so I understand your frustrations

hopefulLandlord:


This is very very awkward

I don't have a definition for god

If it sounds stupid and unintelligent and makes me sound like I didn't go to school, then so be it

I have no such definition of mine

I'm tongue tied here and perhaps sounding incoherent but I've already seen that this discussion would go no where

YOU WIN!!!

But if I'm being forced to define god

I'll say "a supreme being"

wirinet:

This your definition of God is identical to theist definition, I am sure it was informed by your Christian background. It seems you are in agreement with promise10's definition.
Can you explain what the word "being" means before we can even discuss whether it is supreme or not.

hopefulLandlord:


You've just proven what I mean

Its just an example

hopefulLandlord:

Seriously, that's how he's feeling

wirinet:


You are gradually maturing atheistically, because you have come to the realization that atheists - theist arguments are pointless. Just present your views and let theists present theirs and leave it at that.
Theist - atheist arguments are like a man who only understands Yoruba arguing with a man who only understands Chinese about which language is the best. There is simply no means of communication. Even the same words in both languages will have different meanings.

I also passed through the frustrations and fruitlessness of arguing with theists in my university days, so I understand your frustrations