honourhim:


Let me answer you one after the other as time permits me.


Yes God is good and perfect.
.
Everything that God allowed to happen is for a reason.
When there was no evil, Lucifer felt he was equal with God. And because failure was non existent and unknown to them some fellow angels had the same belief with Lucifer and of course God had to show them that they were not equals and that they were not infallible like God as they thought. That was how Lucifer became devil.

We are not programmed robots, we are created to learn and learning takes process just like our growth is not instantaneous but takes a process. Evil is one of our learning instruments.
The presence of evil and failure has made us to experience the redemption power of God, the power of God to protect, to provide to deliver us. It has also made us to experience God"s mercy, to know that God can be angry, that God can love and can hate, that God can forgive etc. Some of these attributes of God would have been unknown to us without the presence of evil. But God wants us to know them.
If there was no evil and faillibility at all, we would ve felt that we are equal with God but then God didn't create us (both human and angels) to be his equals or to rub shoulders with him. With the experience of Lucifer, the remaining angels in heaven must have learnt their lesson that their perfect state is solely powered by God. Also when we get to heaven and be perfected, nobody will tell us that our perfection is solely by God's grace.
The universe belongs to God. He runs it as it pleases him and there's nothing you can do than what you are doing now which of course has no effect on God.
Pls note that the rate at which evil prevails in a society is dependent on the people.

JackBizzle:



You have been answered. Evil is a thing- according to the bible.

Guy, stop JAQing.

honourhim:

Pls note that the rate at which evil prevails in a society is dependent on the people.

FOLYKAZE:

Can you pls read. . . .

JackBizzle:


Stop this cut and paste argument, bro.

There is no evidence for Gawd. Simple and shawt

Reyginus:
Are you dumb or has Down's Syndrome? I'm asking, is evil a thing?

Suprnov3r:



I typed it myself. I took 30 minutes of my time to compose the cut and paste since I have observed that atheists have turned sunday on NL into christianity bashing day

When you get tired of seeing it stop creating your threads. You people are always asking these questions in different threads every Sunday and you want us to be giving you different answers abi?

I am not posting for your benefit by the way. When it is time you will run back to God either in this life or after life. I hope this one though

I am yet to see a true atheist in Nigeria. You are all at different stages of backsliding...

Enjoy the sermon from your window, from your tv, from your mum too am sure. All of them will speak against you on judgement day.

FOLYKAZE:


Why must you insult me?

I have answered your question. Yes, evil is a thing according to the bible. Evil was created by God. Therefore, it is a thing.

Reyginus:
How did I insult you? You asked if I can read but I didn't see it as insult and I asked if you have Down's Syndrome only for you to see it as an insult. How do you think?

I ask again is evil a thing? Until you answer my question from our understanding of English Language we'd leave the argument at this point. No time to pretend anybody is making sense when they are not even trying to.

honourhim:


Let me answer you one after the other as time permits me.


Yes God is good and perfect.
.
Everything that God allowed to happen is for a reason.
When there was no evil, Lucifer felt he was equal with God. And because failure was non existent and unknown to them some fellow angels had the same belief with Lucifer and of course God had to show them that they were not equals and that they were not infallible like God as they thought. That was how Lucifer became devil.

We are not programmed robots, we are created to learn and learning takes process just like our growth is not instantaneous but takes a process. Evil is one of our learning instruments.
The presence of evil and failure has made us to experience the redemption power of God, the power of God to protect, to provide to deliver us. It has also made us to experience God"s mercy, to know that God can be angry, that God can love and can hate, that God can forgive etc. Some of these attributes of God would have been unknown to us without the presence of evil. But God wants us to know them.
If there was no evil and faillibility at all, we would ve felt that we are equal with God but then God didn't create us (both human and angels) to be his equals or to rub shoulders with him. With the experience of Lucifer, the remaining angels in heaven must have learnt their lesson that their perfect state is solely powered by God. Also when we get to heaven and be perfected, nobody will tell us that our perfection is solely by God's grace.
The universe belongs to God. He runs it as it pleases him and there's nothing you can do than what you are doing now which of course has no effect on God.

FOLYKAZE:


The bible says God created evil. Therefore, it is a thing.

nicedas:
i have got just one question for you, in the bible, i have seen a place wher jesus fell to his face and pray, where in the bible jesus or any creature danced or even clossed his or her eyes to pray?

Reyginus:
Wow! The bible says a Fool says in his heart there's no God. So you are a fool. How about that?

FOLYKAZE:


I say God is something we hold in a high esteem. It could be Man, Stone, Sun or River. What is God to some Hindu is Cow to you. What is God to Aborisha is consciousness to you. There is God and I am not a fool.

Jehovah says in his heart there is no god. While other gods exist, he is a fool.

JackBizzle:

1) God is good. God is perfect. But how then can you explain why he created such evil like the devil? Even the bible says that by their fruit, ye shall know them. How can a banana tree produce apples? How can a good God be capable of producing such evil like the devil?

2) A half truth is a lie. You lie by omitting a part that will change the story completely. The catholic church and all bible historians agree that there are scrolls, gospels and books left out of the scripture. Even the original biblical scriptures have been lost, what we see are copies of copies that are translated. How can you trust the bible when you know it is not complete?

3) What was God doing before Judaism and Christianity? It is without doubt that pagan and polytheistic religions existed long before christianity. What was Jehovah doing before he started telling man what to do? Why were other gods more popular than him?

4) Why does God love killing children to punish parents? God killed the first born of Egyptians for enslaving the Isrealites. God Killed David's son for disobedience. Why not just punish the parents?

5) A kingdom divided against itself cannot prosper. God is not the author of confusion. So why is christianity so fragmented and divided with different bibles, dogmas and churches?

malvisguy212:
the op mention bible passage ? The op did not deserve reply, how can you accuse someone of injustice when you don't believe He ever exist ? The op did not understand the NATURE of God, the purpose of God creation. The op did not even understand The biblical meaning of omnipotent.

Is this the modern way of docking questions

lordnicklaus:


When God created the adversary, He gave him a mind to function on his own
, to think independently. He was not made subject to laws as machineries which are subjected to commands and programs. With this freewill, the adversary chose to use it to his own unbridled pleasure

If God gave us free will, it contradicts the hypothesis that he has a plan for us. So we are practically living blind and God is watching us and later gets angry when an expected result occur remembering that he is omniscient. So God initially did not plan to save us, it was only a plan B. But why would an omniscient being have a plan B

Truly, copies of the text are left
but we still have manuscripts closer to the original. Books which are rejected are called "pseudepigraphia" and this is because they do not agree with the gospels or letters. The historians and scholars selected texts to be canonised based on what they called "majority text" i.e manuscripts which tell the same story.

He had started talking to man long
before religion but people chose the way they wanted to worship or pay obeisance to deities.

Then what makes u sure the Jews got it right?
So man was blind for eon years before the Jews arrived Are u saying this because u are xtian or because u can actually prove it?

This I cannot explain

Blame religious leaders for that and the bible is not different though some texts are regarded as canon by the Catholics and there are slight differences in manuscripts which bare no consequences on the message itself

Reyginus:
Ah! Poor FolyKaze! I thought we were talking about God according to the Bible? What happened? Is your definition according to the Bible?

Suprnov3r:
Atheism is as much a faith as christianity.


Atheism like religion also requires people to disbelieve fact and reality on the premise that that reality has some vague explanations not yet proven.


The only difference between atheism and religion is that while religion attributes unknowns to a personality called God, atheism attributes unknowns to an idea called science.

It is a fact that quite a number of verses in the bible has no empirical proofs in contemporary science. So also it is a fact that atheistic views on things also do not have empirical proofs in contemporary science.

Both belief systems employ elements of faith [/b]to deal with unknowns. The only reason why Christianity seems to falter on the face of intense scientifc scrutiny is that there is a obviously the need for universal application of its principles as a means of justification and when it fails this test, it appears to be weak especially when taken out of the context of its actual application


[b]If Atheism had a church or had an organised religious appendage, hitler would have been a member. Stalin and Chairman Mao would be popes. So also all the philosopical and militant atheists that have queried the Christian faith since day one would have had a recognised platform to air out their views.

They would have in essense not been clean or had this superficial sense of infallibility that pervades atheistic space everywhere they are now. They would also have had a book or codes which early atheist might have prescribed as a summary of their thoughts just like the bible and that book woukd have had a thousand verses which when tested in the light of contemporary science would be as clueless and faulted as any other religious text. Darwins theories of evolution keeps going round and round. Non biblical theories on the planet origins would have been codified since 1100AD and would have had so much revisions no one would take it serious


Atheist do come down from your high horses and learn that life is not as clearcut and defined as logic makes you feel. Christians have killed a lot of people and many practices are unfair and barbaric. Your fellow adherents have killed more people than christianity combined but we don't always feel the need to harp on this because our message of love doesn't always thrive in arguments and verbal conflicts but in humble acceptance.





All the answers you want have been answered 1000 times before. If I do post them here it won't make any difference to you whether they are true or not. So I will save myself the stress for anyone who genuinely wants answers and stumbles on your thread


Bottomline, if you are looking for reasons to disbelieve the bible, there are many. In fact there many in the bible itself. My advice to you is this... Should you stake your possible eternity on the infallibility of scientists and what they tell you? Science has faulted itself over and over again. The science you were taught in school is different in principles in what your kids are being taught right now. The bible has lasted in its scope for as long as man has existed and its principles are yet to be faulted across thousands of generations


Would you stake your life and eternity that some scientist in one laboratory in norway is 100% correct all of the time in things he says he knows about that happened thousands of years before he was born and he has only lived 70+ years?

The day scientists can explain using mathematics on how people hold rain in benin I will then come back and listen to your beautiful theories of how some random atoms joined together to form humans

You are taking a gamble worse than bet9ja. I would rather be wrong and loose nothing than be right and loose my eternity to regret

Lsofdk:

much respect… who couldhave said it better

lordnicklaus:


When God created the adversary, He gave him a mind to function on his own
, to think independently. He was not made subject to laws as machineries which are subjected to commands and programs. With this freewill, the adversary chose to use it to his own unbridled pleasure

lordnicklaus:

Truly, copies of the text are left
but we still have manuscripts closer to the original. Books which are rejected are called "pseudepigraphia" and this is because they do not agree with the gospels or letters. The historians and scholars selected texts to be canonised based on what they called "majority text" i.e manuscripts which tell the same story.

lordnicklaus:

He had started talking to man long
before religion but people chose the way they wanted to worship or pay obeisance to deities.

lordnicklaus:

This I cannot explain

lordnicklaus:

Blame religious leaders for that and the bible is not different though some texts are regarded as canon by the Catholics and there are slight differences in manuscripts which bare no consequences on the message itself

ValentineMary:

If God gave us free will, it contradicts the hypothesis that he has a plan for us. So we are practically living blind and God is watching us and later gets angry when an expected result occur remembering that he is omniscient. So God initially did not plan to save us, it was only a plan B. But why would an omniscient being have a plan B

Most of these true text has been proven to be works of plagiarism. Eg it is obvious thatMatthew gospel was copied from Mark but why would Matthew lack intimate knowledge of Jesus and have to copy it from Mark even though Mark did not meet Jesus?

Also the Torah has also been proved to be copied from Babylonian mythology.

Then what makes u sure the Jews got it right?
So man was blind for eon years before the Jews arrived Are u saying this because u are xtian or because u can actually prove it?

I like ur sincerity here.

Since the origin of christianity, it has been a tool for oppression and manipulation. Why should we still trust it?

FOLYKAZE:


Do you agree the God of the bible is Orisha Oke; God of the mountain?

Reyginus:
Lololol. Is this question according to the bible?

FOLYKAZE:


The bible accounted what the people from the other side perceived about Jehovah, what he is really and what he possessed.

Jehovah is the God of the mountain 1 Kings 20:23. You can see him becoming impotent when Israel was attacked on the plain.

Reyginus:
Where's Orisha Eke mentioned 'according' to the Bible?

JackBizzle:



Nice attempt to answer the question.

But your answer still falls short- God did not need to create us

JackBizzle:


secondly he did not need to create the devil.

JackBizzle:



What is the point in creating humans just so that they can live in misery?

JackBizzle:


Even without the devil mankind can still be evil <<< A very important point.

FOLYKAZE:


You are looking for a live maggot in a salt.

You can never find Sango among the patheon of Greek God.

But common sense should tell you that Sango is similar to Thor.

If Jehovah is the God of mountain, Orisha Oke too is God of mountain. Therefore, Orisha Oke is Jehovah.