MrOlai:


@bolded

Below are fatawa from shia scholars permitting and encouraging shia people slashing themselves:



Shia and deception!

lexiconkabir:

actually, if shi'a was an English word, it would be synonymous to deception.
e.g
"I was not being "shia-tive" when I made that statement "

sino:


The following are the Fatawa of 19 of the most Eminent Maraje’ of the Shi'a world
regarding the TA’ZIA or AZADARI for Imam Hussain peace be upon him
[the list below is not exhaustive, but it only enlists some of the eminent Maraje'.]


Ayatollah al-Udhma al-Seyyid al-Seestani

The current leader of the Hawzah of the holy city of Najaf.

Question:
What is the ruling regarding the lashing with chains, chest beating, and walking on fire on the occasion of mourning the martyrdom of Imam Hussain peace be upon him?

Answer:
If (these are) not associated with extreme harm or loss of limb, there is no objection.

AlBaqir:


# To sino post, unfortunately his only reference is the same al-shirazi website I have castigated. Is that an evidence?

# The two leading maraji of about 90% Shia worldwide are Ayatullah Ali Sistani and Ayatullah Ali Khameini. They both have official websites where their books and fatwas can be checked. THEY BOTH DECLARE TATBIR HARAM based on many facts top of which is it does not exist in the Quran, sunnah of the Nabi and the Ahl al-bayt..

AlBaqir:
^Hey yah sorry. Chest beating and taking off shirt never add up to blood ritual via body flagellation.

# And I need to add: The word "HARAM" simply means it is legislatedly forbidden by Allah or His Nabi. NO SCHOLAR HAS THE RIGHT to declare anything HARAM which Allah or His Nabi never declared. Hence a good jurist should be careful using the word "halal" and "haram".

IMN Shi'a Group Leader Ibrahim Zazzaki Insulting The Companions Of Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him In This 0.43 Second Video Below

FriendChoice:
I want to of create thread for this but antispam has blocked me.




They have once denied it using Taqiya method. They forget this video exist.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1XB--c4JN0&hl=en&client=mv-google&gl=NG [/flash]

Hear his thick majoosi accent!

udatso:
Only very few brothers have a very good approach in engaging the shias. I am dissapointed by some brothers' comments here

AlBaqir:
Empiree

# You can trust MrOlai when its come to propagandas. That's his expertise. I don't think have seen the guy engaging in any academic discussion before.

# Should we go as low as MrOlai by posting videos and pictures of ISIS, BOKO HARAM, AL-QAEDA etc and vehemently maintain those are Sunnis, Salafis because of the fact that they claimed to be and even support all their atrocities with Sunni established books of references?

# If you click on the link posted by MrOlai, it will redirect you to Independent.co.uk

# There was a time this same Independent.co.uk recycled a news for like three years that the Saudi Wahabi scholars have made preparations following their mufti's fatwa that the grave of Nabi must be removed away from the mosque. LagosShia posted it on NL and you can see the reactions of saudi-Wahabi inclined Nairalanders condemning Independent.co.uk
https://www.nairaland.com/1995592/mecca-under-threat-outrage-plan

# For a fact, Shia do not deny that tatbir exist among some deviants in their midst. But this can never be used as a yardstick that "Shia" practice tatbir.

# Tatbir is ruled HARAM - FORBIDDEN by all leading Shia Maraji'i. It has no basis in the Quran and Sunnah of Nabi and his[b] [ Ahl al-Baytb]. So, why would a sincere sensible person accuse "Shia" of practicing it?

# I have opened a thread since last week on tatbir but trust propagandists, they will pretend never to see it and rather prefer their usual dirty street fights. https://www.nairaland.com/3395202/tatbir-flagellation-disturbing-innovation