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We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by eventsms(m): 8:49pm On Oct 21, 2016
The National Judicial Council on Friday rejected the suggestion by the Nigerian Bar Association to suspend serving judges who were among the seven arrested by the Department of State Service between October 8 and 9. The NJC, in a statement by...http://www.reportaroundyou.com/we-cant-suspend-judges-without-probe-%e2%80%8enjc-replies-nba/

Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by CoolFreeday(m): 8:53pm On Oct 21, 2016
I know they won't. Birds of the same feather. let them keep supporting their corrupt colleagues, after all, they're all the same.

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Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by naijaking1: 9:10pm On Oct 21, 2016
CoolFreeday:
I know they won't. Birds of the same feather. let them keep supporting their corrupt colleagues, after all, they're all the same.

Due process needs to be followed, otherwise everything would be chaotic.

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Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by NextGovernor(m): 9:13pm On Oct 21, 2016
CoolFreeday:
I know they won't. Birds of the same feather. let them keep supporting their corrupt colleagues, after all, they're all the same.

Once its againat these Judges you people will come out from nowhere. What is your say about accusing Amaechi?

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Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by mrvitalis(m): 9:16pm On Oct 21, 2016
So u still haven't probed them??

This are the people Nigerians are to hold responsible for no conviction on any high profile corruption case

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Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by CoolFreeday(m): 9:39pm On Oct 21, 2016
NextGovernor:


Once its againat these Judges you people will come out from nowhere. What is your say about accusing Amaechi?

Am not defending Amaechi, if they have evidence against him, perfect, let them go ahead and hail him. If I may ask, if Ameachi tried to bribe them, why didn't they say so since, why did they keep quiet over it? If not that they were arrested, would they say Amaechi tried to bribe them?
Let them face their case, they should go and clear themselves and stop the propaganda to cover their act.

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Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by CoolFreeday(m): 9:44pm On Oct 21, 2016
naijaking1:


Due process needs to be followed, otherwise everything would be chaotic.

you can only follow due process in a place where systems work and what actually do you mean by due process?

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Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by freeze001(f): 10:02pm On Oct 21, 2016
mrvitalis:
So u still haven't probed them??

This are the people Nigerians are to hold responsible for no conviction on any high profile corruption case

A probe doesn't just happen and certainly doesn't originate from the pages of the newspaper. Petitions accompanied with evidence and supported by a verifying affidavit need to be brought before the NJC. Your problem should be why it is taking d DSS and the AGF so long to do the needful to get a lawful probe underway.

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Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by freeze001(f): 10:10pm On Oct 21, 2016
CoolFreeday:


Am not defending Amaechi, if they have evidence against him, perfect, let them go ahead and hail him. If I may ask, if Ameachi tried to bribe them, why didn't they say so since, why did they keep quiet over it? If not that they were arrested, would they say Amaechi tried to bribe them?
Let them face their case, they should go and clear themselves and stop the propaganda to cover their act.

Which case please? Has any action been filed against them? Apart from former Justices Tsamiya, Umezulike and Auta whom the NJC have already recommended for removal and prosecution, what is the case against the other judges?

As it stands, it is just the unlawful raid and allegations against them on the newspaper and no judge by the dictates of the profession will answer to those. If u need to establish a case against them, file a petition against them to the NJC for disciplinary purposes. Until then, there is no case against them that requires them to clear their names according to u. The onus lies on the DSS to back their allegations with proof of their guilt before the NJC and then, if successful, the courts.

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Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by mrjangaweed: 10:15pm On Oct 21, 2016
that's the real learned gentlemen talking not those bastard charge and bail illiterates

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Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by kcnwaigbo: 10:15pm On Oct 21, 2016
CoolFreeday:


Am not defending Amaechi, if they have evidence against him, perfect, let them go ahead and hail him. If I may ask, if Ameachi tried to bribe them, why didn't they say so since, why did they keep quiet over it? If not that they were arrested, would they say Amaechi tried to bribe them?
Let them face their case, they should go and clear themselves and stop the propaganda to cover their act.
Does the DSS have any evidence against the Judges? You people and hypocrisy!!!! Even if he came out then what would have happened?

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Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by kahal29: 10:15pm On Oct 21, 2016
Like I said in the other thread I see Danger ahead.... Since NJC has constituted itself to another arm of Government I see a situation where PMB will refuse to forward the name the next CJN they submitted to him to the Senate and ask NJC to send it to the Senate directly since they are now an arm of government. This would mean that by the time the present CJN Retires on the 10th of November we won't have a replacement and nobody to chair the NJC.

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Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by freeze001(f): 10:28pm On Oct 21, 2016
kahal29:
Like I said in the other thread I see Danger ahead.... Since NJC has constituted itself to another arm of Government I see a situation where PMB will refuse to forward the name the next CJN they submitted to him to the Senate and ask NJC to send it to the Senate directly since they are now an arm of government. This would mean that by the time the present CJN Retires on the 10th of November we won't have a replacement and nobody to chair the NJC.

This particular brand of ignorance which I am constrained to quote hurts the eyes!

Simple Government lecture: Nigeria as a democracy is made up of 3 arms of government : The Legislature, the Judiciary and the Executive. They serve as checks over the other but none is superior to the other. The judges particularly the NJC represent an arm of government ie the Judiciary! The NJC has not constituted itself, the Constitution did. Just so u know, the President is not an arm of government, the Executive is and he is the representative of the Executive same as the CJN for the Judiciary and the Senate President for the Legislature.

The President cannot refuse to forward the name of the next CJN to the Senate because he would be creating a constitutional vacuum. So, for your information, the Judiciary is not subject to the Executive that must therefore obey or be punished. Refusal to forward the name of the next CJN to the Senate for confirmation when same has been recommended to the President by the NJC (see NJC again?) amounts to gross misconduct which is a ground for impeachment.

Don't let this god-complex of buhari and ur misplaced hero worship fool u...Do urself a favour and get basic understanding of constitutional provisions and operations.

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Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by kahal29: 4:01am On Oct 22, 2016
freeze001:


This particular brand of ignorance which I am constrained to quote hurts the eyes!

Simple Government lecture: Nigeria as a democracy is made up of 3 arms of government : The Legislature, the Judiciary and the Executive. They serve as checks over the other but none is superior to the other. The judges particularly the NJC represent an arm of government ie the Judiciary! The NJC has not constituted itself, the Constitution did. Just so u know, the President is not an arm of government, the Executive is and he is the representative of the Executive same as the CJN for the Judiciary and the Senate President for the Legislature.

The President cannot refuse to forward the name of the next CJN to the Senate because he would be creating a constitutional vacuum. So, for your information, the Judiciary is not subject to the Executive that must therefore obey or be punished. Refusal to forward the name of the next CJN to the Senate for confirmation when same has been recommended to the President by the NJC (see NJC again?) amounts to gross misconduct which is a ground for impeachment.

Don't let this god-complex of buhari and ur misplaced hero worship fool u...Do urself a favour and get basic understanding of constitutional provisions and operations.

NJC is not an arm of government. It is an Executive body. Precisely, The National Judicial Council (NJC), is an executive body established by the Federal Government of Nigeria in accordance with the provisions of Section 153 of the 1999 Constitution. It's work is to protect the independence of the judiciary but that does not make it an arm of government rather it protects an Arm of government which is the judiciary.

http://www.njcgov.org/aboutus/aboutusprofile

Like I said earlier, it is one of the Federal Executive Bodies created by virtue of Section 153 of the 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. Others include:

(a) Code of Conduct Bureau;
(b) Council of State;
(c) Federal Character Commission;
(d) Federal Civil Service Commission;
(e) Federal Judicial Service Commission;
(f) Independent National Electoral Commission;
(g) National Defence Council;
(h) National Economic Council;
(i) National Population Commission;
(j) National Security Council;
(k) Nigeria Police Council;
(l) Police Service Commission; and
(m) Revenue Mobilisation Allocation and Fiscal Commission. copied from 1999 constitution.

http://publicdata.ng/constitution1999/chapter-vi-part-i-b-establishment-of-certain-federal-executive-bodies/

http://www.waado.org/nigerdelta/documents/ConstitutionalMatters/1999Constitution/ThirdSchedule.html

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Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by freeze001(f): 5:38am On Oct 22, 2016
kahal29:



Did you read? Did I call the NJC an arm of government? It is not an arm of government but it represents one with the CJN as the head of that arm. It is the same way the Office of the President is a creation of the Constitution and not an arm of government. The President cannot decide to refuse to do his constitutional duty because he feels slighted by the NJC. Unless he's tired of being president that is. And the Constitution provides that the NJC shall be independent and answerable to mo other arm or organ of govt to ensure its independence.

Ur story of Mr President getting angry and refusing to do his job because u think he may suddenly catch feelings of how the NJC is acting like an arm government cannot work because he is not an arm of government either. He has no power to demand the 'obedience' of the NJC or punish an apparent lack of same.
Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by rusher14: 7:55am On Oct 22, 2016
freeze001:


Did you read? Did I call the NJC an arm of government? It is not an arm of government but it represents one with the CJN as the head of that arm. It is the same way the Office of the President is a creation of the Constitution and not an arm of government. The President cannot decide to refuse to do his constitutional duty because he feels slighted by the NJC. Unless he's tired of being president that is. And the Constitution provides that the NJC shall be independent and answerable to mo other arm or organ of govt to ensure its independence.

Ur story of Mr President getting angry and refusing to do his job because u think he may suddenly catch feelings of how the NJC is acting like an arm government cannot work because he is not an arm of government either. He has no power to demand the 'obedience' of the NJC or punish an apparent lack of same.

Changing tune without accepting he was right at the beginning.

We would like the presidency to play fairly but so must other arms.

Strong allegations of corruption have been leveled against their members.

They should simply step aside, face the allegations squarely, and ask for a quick resolution of their cases so as to get back to work as heroes.

Is that too much to ask for?
Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by kcnwaigbo: 8:06am On Oct 22, 2016
rusher14:


Changing tune without accepting he was right at the beginning.

We would like the presidency to play fairly but so must other arms.

Strong allegations of corruption have been leveled against their members.

They should simply step aside, face the allegations squarely, and ask for a quick resolution of their cases so as to get back to work as heroes.

Is that too much to ask for?
What is strong about the allegations without any evidence? BTW when will other members of the executive facing corruption allegations resign so that the judiciary can follow their Good example
Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by rusher14: 8:22am On Oct 22, 2016
kcnwaigbo:

What is strong about the allegations without any evidence? BTW when will other members of the executive facing corruption allegations resign so that the judiciary can follow their Good example

The DSS allege they have video evidence of the justices receiving money in supermarkets outside our shores for the purpose of miscarriage of justice back home.

They claim also, they have evidence of significant monies way above the pay grade of these judges found in their possession.

Some of these judges have even acknowledged such monies being found on them but claim they are proceeds of investment - leaving room for doubt hence a need to clear their names.

These aren't baseless allegations. The DSS is willing to present this in court.

For the likes of Ameachi, he can step aside as well.

I don't hold brief for him.

The judges too must step aside.
Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by freeze001(f): 8:57am On Oct 22, 2016
rusher14:


Changing tune without accepting he was right at the beginning.

We would like the presidency to play fairly but so must other arms.

Strong allegations of corruption have been leveled against their members.

They should simply step aside, face the allegations squarely, and ask for a quick resolution of their cases so as to get back to work as heroes.

Is that too much to ask for?

Changing the tune in what sense? The NJC has not acted like or constituted itself and arm of government, it is a creation of the constitution representative of an arm of government called the judiciary. Is it too much to ask that they step down? Yes it is because it is contrary to statutory and procedural guidelines which the NJC and all judges are subject to. Those cannot and should not be hijacked because the Executive has got an itch in its pants and misguided public outcry.
Custodians of the law should not be asked to abdicate their duties because of mere allegations on the pages of the news, the accuser should follow the right procedure, they are not above the law. Is that too much to ask?
Re: We Can’t Suspend Judges Without Probe, ‎NJC Replies NBA by kcnwaigbo: 9:01am On Oct 22, 2016
rusher14:


The DSS allege they have video evidence of the justices receiving money in supermarkets outside our shores for the purpose of miscarriage of justice back home.

They claim also, they have evidence of significant monies way above the pay grade of these judges found in their possession.

Some of these judges have even acknowledged such monies being found on them but claim they are proceeds of investment - leaving room for doubt hence a need to clear their names.

These aren't baseless allegations. The DSS is willing to present this in court.

For the likes of Ameachi, he can step aside as well.

I don't hold brief for him.

The judges too must step aside.
If they have video evidence, they should go ahead and present It to the NJC to suspend the judges if the NJC refuses, they can go ahead and publish the videos through their normal propaganda outlets like Sahara reporters.

For now the NJC is saying it hasn't even received any petition against some of the judges from the DSS yet you want them to just suspend them,the law doesn't work that way

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