Fx82ZAPLUS: Let's assume for a second that God is a myth, and all of the prophets and pastors in the universe today, are " fake ". Now, the million dollar question is, from where do they get magical powers to predict the future, make the blind see, make the deaf hear, and make the lame walk?
There is no magical power son. All stage act.
Now, let us assume that miracles are real, how come no pastor in the history of the scam of christianity has ever gone to a hospital to heal people there?
And where is the evidence besides websites and videos, why is regrowing of a limb so impossible for God. I've already said this before why is it that miracles are never conducted under scientific observations, why is there always no proof besides videos. Videos are unreliable, Avatar is a movie, everything from aliens plants to alien humanoids, to an alien planet is displayed in that movie. Yet nothing is real. So to confirm that those miracles are indeed real we don't need videos we need scientists to confirm them, till then your miracles are fake.
Trust me, asking for scientific observation on the part of equalization of arms is an overkill. Same video was posted here on Nairaland, and it was very laughable. Hardly did anyone who saw the video believed it, even among his fellow Christians and other theists.
I was appalled by his level of gullibility when I read his post, and he's making demands for atheists to explain this and that to him. Question is, will he be able to comprehend?
That's the giveaway. We will never be able to verify the "miracle", of course, because the recipient has conveniently disappeared. From what we know, I bet the guy could walk before the crusade. He was either only partially crippled, or just pretending to be crippled. Like these crooks.
We have evidence from his experience while you have resorted to making assumptions . You surmised that the Muslim guy was a fake because the Nairalander lost contact with him ?
I also mentioned the testimony magazines and you conveniently skipped that .
stainlex: Op, your Bushiri guy should start with Pistorious. I will worship him over YHWH if he can make Pistorious grow a limb! Or how about bringing back the dead gf? Raising the dead isn't that difficult, is it?
You can not help someone who doesn't want help, son. Clearly, Oscar Pistorius is fond of teetering on his stumps, considering that he's never set foot in ECG church before.
Now, let us assume that miracles are real, how come no pastor in the history of the scam of christianity has ever gone to a hospital to heal people there?
Quiet, miracles are evrywhere. Even the world most outspoken atheist admits miracles occur. He admits he cant explain them. Even miracles have been recorded all over main stream media. Wikipedia, youtube, ABC and mainstream news have all stories of miraculous happenings. When it comes to checking for things like these on google, ur fingers become numb. Why
Quiet, miracles are evrywhere. Even the world most outspoken atheist admits miracles occur. He admits he cant explain them. Even miracles have been recorded all over main stream media. Wikipedia, youtube, ABC and mainstream news have all stories of miraculous happenings. When it comes to checking for things like these on google, ur fingers become numb. Why
Just like when it comes to fulfilling Jehovah's command you become disobedient. Hell is your portion o
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents 1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB) 2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. 1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets 1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)
2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons:
Kill Brats From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
God Kills the Curious And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)
Killed by a Lion Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)
Killing the Good Samaritan The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals. When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)
3) Murdering Children
Kill Sons of Sinners Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
God Will Kill Children The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)
GRIMMJOE: One would put some effort,give prove,research and these lazy human come without a counter and say its a lie/some will even say don't quote me again.
Snyman: Fair point. However, If you've watched any of Prophet Bushiri's Live services before, you'll realize he calls out people by names, tells them where they hail from, their backgrounds, the color of their room walls, their occupation, their bank account number/ phone numbers, etc. My question is, from where does he get the powers to prophesy such things? Does he hire decoys to hoodwink the general public into a misguided belief that he's the greatest Prophet to ever grace the Earth?
Knowing a person's bank account number isn't a prophecy, my friend. It's called a one-ahead. It has been used by tricksters and mentalists the world over.
Knowing a person's bank account number isn't a prophecy, my friend. It's called a one-sided. It has been used by tricksters and mentalists the world over.
[b] Son, famous mentalists like Darren Brown uses a Swami Gimmic, a prop used in magic and mentalism. They're designed to secretly write information, and create an illusion of knowing a prediction in advance, E.g PIN prediction. In one of Darren Brown's videos, he asks a guy called Alex to think of his bank PIN, one number at a time whilst he picks up a small pad and pretend to be writing a number on the pad. He then ask Alex to tell everyone his PIN, and as Alex calls out the digits, Darren uses the Swami Gimmick and secretly writes the four numbers on the pad!
Prophets do not depend on Swami Gimmics to prophesy to people!
FULLTEXT - BUSHIRI's Prophecy
Bushiri: There is a lady, I hear Zitole, Zitole, from Ridgeville. There is something that God wants to do in her life.
( A certain lady comes running from the overflow )
Bushiri: What's wrong with you?
Lady : I'm Emily Zitole.
Bushiri: Do I know you? Ever met before, or phone call, or you met my pastors, or wrote your name, and your problems somewhere? Note; These are questions he ask people before he prophesy to them, due to critics!
Lady : No, no, Man of God!
Bushiri: The time I entered here, I did not have any word of Prophecy, but when I began to say Lord I'm trying to prophesy, but I do not have Prophecy my eyes opened, and I saw things about to happen.
Can I prophesy?
Crowd : PROPHESY!!!
Bushiri: Now, in the spiritual realm, it's like you are standing here, and where you are standing, there are many thorns around you. I saw a man in your life, I heard the name, I don't know how you pronounce it, It's like Tays, Tays . ..
Lady : Yes, yes, it's my boyfriend.
Bushiri: What's his name?
Lady : Teys.
Bushiri: And I am seeing 1 2 3 4 5 - 10 - 12, for twelve years, he has been your boyfriend for twelve years.
Lady : It's true, man of God.
Bushiri: You are trying by all means to have a child, but there is no child. Where is your house?
Lady : Ridgeville.
Bushiri: Actually, it's not a house, it's like a shack.
Lady : Yes, man of God, it's a shack.
Bushiri: Can I go to your house? ( She nods ) Your house has one door, one window - When I enter there, there is no wall that seperates the sitting room and the bedroom. You are using a curtain, Brown and White in color.
The lady is now seen reacting in shock and horror with her mouth agape and hands raised to her cheeks!
Bushiri: Are you surprised? ( She nods again ) Can I go to your bedroom? . ... Are you using Brown, Brown - I'm seeing Brown on your bed -
Lady : Yes, I'm using a brown blanket.
Bushiri: Let me go to your kitchen, no wait - People wonder why I prophesy about things like houses. That is to tell you, if God knows your house, he surely knows your future! Now, back to the kitchen. I'm seeing a table, on top of the table there is a two plate stove, White in color. Behind there is like a kettle, Blue and White in color. There is a fridge next to the table, when I open the fridge, there is pieces of chicken meat. Also a Blue container, inside there is Butter. There is also a brown container with like soap, like oil of fish.
Lady : ( Shocked beyond measure ) Yes, it's cooking oil, man of God!
Bushiri: I'm also seeing three tomatoes, and ONE used onion!
Lady : ( Jumping up and down ) Yes, yes , man of God!
Bushiri: Look at her, look at her! She is surprised. This is just a shadow of what God will be doing in 2016! Lady, come on over here. You have a good man, but your problem of not giving birth-
Lady : Go deeper, man of God!
Bushiri: Don't say go deeper, say deliver me. And deliver him! I'm seeing R1 400. What's this?
Lady : ( She almost wanna cry) It's my salary, man of God!
Question remains, from where does he get magical powers to prophesy things like this to 15 plus different people from different cities /countries in every single service of his( Sunday, Monday and Friday) ? [/b]
@Snyman, first I am not ur son. Address me like that again and u won't like my response. Secondly, are u seriously trying to tell me that the whole stuff u quoted up there is a proof the pastor doesn't have fore knowledge about the woman? Common! You are smarter than that. Because he asks the woman if he knows her and she replies in the negative doesnt mean he doesn't know her before. He could have found out before or she is working for him. I even thought u had some extraordinary proof before instead of saying something is true because Bushiri said so. Bushiri is a fraud. That's no magical power. If I have his resources I could pay people from different parts of Africa to come work for me and agree to everything I claim to prophesy on TV too. Bring a better proof or go back to ur Bushiri worship and leave me out of it.
NPComplete: @Snyman, first I am not ur son. Address me like that again and u won't like my response. Secondly, are u seriously trying to tell me that the whole stuff u quoted up there is a proof the pastor doesn't have fore knowledge about the woman? Common! You are smarter than that. Because he asks the woman if he knows her and she replies in the negative doesnt mean he doesn't know her before. He could have found out before or she is working for him. I even thought u had some extraordinary proof before instead of saying something is true because Bushiri said so. Bushiri is a fraud. That's no magical power. If I have his resources I could pay people from different parts of Africa to come work for me and agree to everything I claim to prophesy on TV too. Bring a better proof or go back to ur Bushiri worship and leave me out of it.
I knew you were going to pull the decoy card. Even the poor old people who he prophesy to on a frequent and regular basis, who cannot even speak English are paid? Son, you are the dumbest thing to ever walk the earth!
NPComplete: @Snyman, first I am not ur son. Address me like that again and u won't like my response. Secondly, are u seriously trying to tell me that the whole stuff u quoted up there is a proof the pastor doesn't have fore knowledge about the woman? Common! You are smarter than that. Because he asks the woman if he knows her and she replies in the negative doesnt mean he doesn't know her before. He could have found out before or she is working for him. I even thought u had some extraordinary proof before instead of saying something is true because Bushiri said so. Bushiri is a fraud. That's no magical power. If I have his resources I could pay people from different parts of Africa to come work for me and agree to everything I claim to prophesy on TV too. Bring a better proof or go back to ur Bushiri worship and leave me out of it.
Bushiri has no choice but to pose those questions because of false accusations, abuse and persecution he endures at the hands of critics!
I'm from South Africa, son, and most of the people that he prophesy to, are from my province. Accusing them of being decoys is ludicrous. Come up with a better rebuttal, son.
NPComplete: @Snyman, first I am not ur son. Address me like that again and u won't like my response. Secondly, are u seriously trying to tell me that the whole stuff u quoted up there is a proof the pastor doesn't have fore knowledge about the woman? Common!
When Shephered Bushiri prophesied about Zambia's 2015 elections that Mr Edgar Lungu would win and it came to pass, what prior knowledge did he have to make such prediction? Did he utilize a Swami Gimmic? Was it a lucky guess? When he also prophesied about an attack on President Lungu’s health and it came to pass, what prior knowlege did he have? And when he prophesied to a South African lady in front of thousands of people that she had cheated on her Husband with his cousin, and contracted HIV, did she tip him off?Do you seriously think she would compromize her reputation like that because of money? Men with abdominal obesity has had their tummies flattened on a Live service, what prior knowledge did he have?
Thashen: I knew you were going to pull the decoy card. Even the poor old people who he prophesy to on a frequent and regular basis, who cannot even speak English are paid? Son, you are the dumbest thing to ever walk the earth!
Are my ears ringing? The poor old people? Who should be motivated by pay the more, the rich or the poor? Get d fvck off my mentions u dung beetle. I even thought I was going to read something new and sensible. Go back to jerking off Bushiri and leave me out of it ,u half-witted monkey. LMAO. Imagine, the idiot even acknowledged they are poor old people.
BTW, using 3 different ID's do not make ur arguments any more sensible. We know u are the same dumb person. The idiocy is too obvious in ur thought process.
anyways i read a few comments here... i will say this, there are people who fake miracles, it doesnt mean there aint real ones.
i have performed some miracles myself so i know that miracles are real. i have seen incredible things performed around me by people i spend time with. so I know for a certainty that MIRACLES ARE REAL. THAT THERE IS 'A' GOD THAT ANSWERS PRAYER
