Fx82ZAPLUS:
Let's assume for a second that God is a myth, and all of the prophets and pastors in the universe today, are " fake ". Now, the million dollar question is, from where do they get magical powers to predict the future

the blind see, make the deaf hear, and make the lame walk?

Lennycool:

They make vague predictions using well known data.
*There will be a flood somewhere in nigeria(global warming duh)
* nigeria will suffer for a long time (recessions don't go away in a day)
* people will one day curse buhari if recession continues (SMH)
* There will be great problems in nigeria (when has there never been)
Some of these prophecies will come out wrong, but they will only be publicised by major media houses when they are right.


Sometimes it amazes me how people can be so gullible, ask yourselfwhy the pastors don't go to hospitals for these instantaneous healings, why they have never regrown a limb in front if you, why they don't heal famous people with visible health conditions, like the Paralympic team of nigeria. Don't be fools my people, it is all fake.

Fx82ZAPLUS:
Let's assume for a second that God is a myth, and all of the prophets and pastors in the universe today, are " fake ". Now, the million dollar question is, from where do they get magical powers to predict the future, make the blind see, make the deaf hear, and make the lame walk?

Seun:

Prophets and pastors don't have any supernatural powers. You may find this difficult to believe, but it's all a bunch of tricks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqPc9btW1rM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-NwKD9laZw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7BQKu0YP8Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBpiV72pLAo

KingEbukasBlog:



Logical fallacy faulty generalization - because you sourced out instances where prophets have been exposed as fake does not mean all pastors and prophets are fake .

Even the bible prognosticated the proliferation of false prophets during the end times .

No point made bro , again .

frank317:



Not all so called miracles have been investigated, [size=16pt]but all miracles that have been investigated[/size] have been found out to be dubious... Unfortunately... U are not good at making use of ur brain.

Fx82ZAPLUS:

Dumb contentions.

Duh - Your gay tendencies are inhibiting you from reasoning logically.

You claim they have never regrown a limb in front of people, false. Some certain people with hemihypertrophy, and hemiatrophy conditions, as in their arms were shorter than the other has had their arms equalized on a Live servive by Prophet Bushiri, Visit YouTube.


Also, men with abdominal obesity has had their big tummies flattened on a Live service. Again, go to YouTube.


And the Pastors/ Prophets does visit hospitals, son .

"Leader and Founder of Enlightened Christian Gathering, Prophet Shepherd Bushiri yesterday got the whole patients and the entire working staff of Greytown hospital in KwaZulu-Natal astonished as he reportedly resurrected 12 dead peeople at the hospital.

Speaking to the Medical Officer in charge of Greytown hospital in KwaZulu-Natal, to get a confirmation that indeed these 12 people were dead he said “They were even preparing their bodies for the morgue and the man of God stormed the hospital to perform such a wonderful miracles’’


Also watch extraordinary miracles performed by Prophet Shepherd Bushiri during 2015-2016 crossover night - Live service


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsJhSAhQn90&itct=CAkQpDAYDSITCMDdrf6X7s8CFcddFgodYIYLXFIhcHJvcGhldCBidXNoaXJpIHNob2NraW5nIG1pcmFjbGVz&gl=ZA&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB

Whether Bushiri is an authentic prophet, or a fake prophet is of no importance here. The million dollar question is where does he get the power to perfom such miracles during LIVE services, right in front of the world?

Fx82ZAPLUS:

[b] Dumb contentions.

Duh - Your gay tendencies are inhibiting you from reasoning logically.

You claim they have never regrown a limb in front of people, false. Some certain people with hemihypertrophy, and hemiatrophy conditions, as in their arms were shorter than the other has had their arms equalized on a Live servive by Prophet Bushiri, Visit YouTube.


Also, men with abdominal obesity has had their big tummies flattened on a Live service. Again, go to YouTube.

And the Pastors/ Prophets does visit hospitals, son .

"Leader and Founder of Enlightened Christian Gathering, Prophet Shepherd Bushiri yesterday got the whole patients and the entire working staff of Greytown hospital in KwaZulu-Natal astonished as he reportedly resurrected 12 dead peeople at the hospital.

Speaking to the Medical Officer in charge of Greytown hospital in KwaZulu-Natal, to get a confirmation that indeed these 12 people were dead he said “They were even preparing their bodies for the morgue and the man of God stormed the hospital to perform such a wonderful miracles’’


Also watch extraordinary miracles performed by Prophet Shepherd Bushiri during 2015-2016 crossover night - Live service


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsJhSAhQn90&itct=CAkQpDAYDSITCMDdrf6X7s8CFcddFgodYIYLXFIhcHJvcGhldCBidXNoaXJpIHNob2NraW5nIG1pcmFjbGVz&gl=ZA&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB

Whether Bushiri is an authentic prophet, or a fake prophet is of no importance here. The million dollar question is where does he get the power to perfom such miracles during LIVE services, right in front of the world?[/b]

KingEbukasBlog:
Logical fallacy faulty generalization - because you sourced out instances where prophets have been exposed as fake does not mean all pastors and prophets are fake.

frank317:

Not all so called miracles have been investigated, but all miracles that have been investigated have been found out to be dubious...

Critical studies are illuminating. Dr. William A. Nolen, in his book Healing: A Doctor in Search of a Miracle (1974), followed up on several reported cases of healing from a Kathryn Kuhlman service but found no miracles-only remissions, psychosomatic diseases, and other explanations, including the power of suggestion.

More recently a study was conducted following a Benny Hinn crusade in Portland, Oregon, where seventy-six miracles were alleged. For an HBO television special, A Question of Miracles (Thomas 2001), Benny Hinn Ministries was asked to supply the names of as many of these as possible for investigation. After thirteen weeks, just five names were provided. Each case was followed for one year.

The first involved a grandmother who stated she had had “seven broken vertebras” but that the Lord had healed her at the evening service in Portland. In fact, x-rays afterward revealed otherwise, although the woman felt her pain had lessened.

The second case was that of a man who had suffered a logging accident ten years previously. He demonstrated improved mobility at the crusade, but his condition afterward deteriorated and “movement became so painful he could no longer dress himself.” Yet he remained convinced he was healed and refused the medication and surgery his doctors insisted was necessary.

The next individual was a lady who, for fifty years, had only “thirty percent of her hearing” as claimed at the Portland crusade. However, her physician stated, “I do not think this was a miracle in any sense.” He reported that the woman had had only a “very mild hearing loss” just two years before and that she had made “a normal recovery.”

The fourth case was that of a girl who had not been “getting enough oxygen” but who claimed to have been healed at Hinn’s service. In fact, since the crusade she “continued to suffer breathlessness,” yet her mother was so convinced that a miracle had occurred that she did not continue to have her daughter seek medical care.

Finally, there was what the crusade billed as “a walking dead woman.” She had had cancer throughout both lungs, but her doctors were now “overwhelmed” that she was “still alive and still breathing.” Actually, her oncologist rejected all such claims, saying the woman had an “unpredictable form of cancer that was stable at the time of the crusade.” Tragically, her condition subsequently deteriorated and she died just nine months afterward.

Seun:

I also included videos demonstrating exactly how the fake miracles are orchestrated, and it's clear that most miracle pastors use these tricks.


Exactly. There have been so many faith healing investigations, and all of them have the same result: they found lots of tricks, but no healings:


http://www.csicop.org/si/show/benny_hinn_healer_or_hypnotist

Documentaries:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlNTALOChRc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID6itEMHcCk

Seun:

I also included videos demonstrating exactly how the fake miracles are orchestrated, and it's clear that most miracle pastors use these tricks.

Exactly. There have been so many faith healing investigations, and all of them have the same result: they found lots of tricks, but no healings:

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/benny_hinn_healer_or_hypnotist

KingEbukasBlog:
I remember when the testimony of a crippled Muslim - unable to walk from birth - who followed a Nairalander to a crusade ground and was then able to walk was shared to you , you didn't respond . I can post the testimony again for you to openly scrutinize it , maybe ask the Nairalander questions .

MrPRevailer:
You have not seen miracles? Then carry a blind man to THE LORD'S CHOSEN MINISTRY @Ijesha Bustop. That's what I did when I carry a crippled man to our crusade on Sunday and he was healed before my naked eyes. Moreover he was a Muslim. But I believe today he is a Christian. Since he left I dint hear from him or his contact. He warned me his brothers would be bitter if they found he came to church, when I gave him our chosen apron. But the point is, HE IS HEALED OF 21 YEARS CRIPPLE.

Seun:


You mean the story below?

Fx82ZAPLUS:
Let's assume for a second that God is a myth, and all of the prophets and pastors in the universe today, are " fake ". Now, the million dollar question is, from where do they get magical powers to predict the future, make the blind see, make the deaf hear, and make the lame walk?

KingEbukasBlog:
Yeah . I'm not sure why you emboldened that text

egokudiowomoney:
prediction of the future is what anybody can do,even animals. This remind me of the Octopus that was used to predict the results of football matches. It made accurate predictions in the 2010 World Cup.about healing,it seems the Op is JJC for Nigeria

egokudiowomoney:
prediction of the future is what anybody can do,even animals. This remind me of the Octopus that was used to predict the results of football matches. It made accurate predictions in the 2010 World Cup.about healing,it seems the Op is JJC for Nigeria

Seun:

That's the giveaway. We will never be able to verify the "miracle", of course, because the recipient has conveniently disappeared. Frow what we know, I bet the guy could walk before the crusade. He was either only partially crippled, or just pretending to be crippled. Like these crooks.

hahn:


Who knows maybe kingebukasblog is one of those guys in the "syndicate" considering his passion for supporting obvious lies

Seun:

Yes. They make educated guesses about disasters that could happen and then ask us to pray against their guesses. If they turn out to be right, they are perceived as great prophets. If they are wrong, it's because the prayers worked. But you'll only remember the ones that were right.

hopefulLandlord:


reminds me of Joagbaje

very cool thread that deserves looking at

that was a fiasco

10 years on, the Christ Embassy members are still foaming in the mouth about it

Seun:

Yes. They make educated guesses about disasters that could happen and then ask us to pray against their guesses. If they turn out to be right, they are perceived as great prophets. If they are wrong, it's because the prayers worked. But you'll only remember the ones that were right.

hopefulLandlord:


reminds me of Joagbaje

very cool thread that deserves looking at

that was a fiasco

10 years on, the Christ Embassy members are still foaming in the mouth about it

kevoh:

Lol...That thread is epic! One of my favourites here!