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The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by raphieMontella: 7:53am On Nov 02, 2016
The Bible is clear throughout that the sin of Adam and Eve was cast upon every person who has ever lived. This is definitively stated by St. Paul:


Romans 5:18

Therefore, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men.

Then, thousands of years later, God decided to have his son killed to erase the sin of Adam and Eve. Here is the definitive verse, but note that there is a subtle difference from the verse above:


John 3:16

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life

Yes, the second verse offering forgiveness requires an action whereas the verse condemning mankind is automatic. To be forgiven, you must believe in Jesus, but to be condemned by the sin of Adam, no belief or action is required. That is, you don’t have to believe in Adam to be condemned by his transgression. So why do you have to believe in Jesus to be forgiven?

Condemnation is unconditional, but forgiveness IS CONDITIONAL
Can an actual compassionate god stack the odds in such an unfair an bigoted manner?

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by DeSepiero(m): 10:28am On Nov 02, 2016
The bible always lay emphasis on believing.

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by raphieMontella: 10:34am On Nov 02, 2016
DeSepiero:
The bible always lay emphasis on believing.
its really a bigoted attempt by the new testament writers
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by hopefulLandlord: 10:39am On Nov 02, 2016
Yahweh is a joke
just like every god idea

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by juicydiceyjoe(m): 6:53pm On Nov 02, 2016
True.

A lot doesn't make sense.

But then, His ways are higher than our ways! grin

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by raphieMontella: 7:03pm On Nov 02, 2016
juicydiceyjoe:
True.
A lot doesn't make sense.
But then, His ways are higher than our ways! grin
it doesnt make sense because its a joke!

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by TomHagen: 7:04pm On Nov 02, 2016
raphieMontella:





Can an actual compassionate god stack the odds in such an unfair an bigoted manner?
How do you know what ''an actual compassionate God'' is capable of if you haven't met one before''? Why do assume that such a being must do things the way you'd do them?

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by raphieMontella: 7:11pm On Nov 02, 2016
juicydiceyjoe:
True.
A lot doesn't make sense.
But then, His ways are higher than our ways! grin
it doesnt make sense because its a joke!
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by raphieMontella: 7:13pm On Nov 02, 2016
TomHagen:
How do you know what ''an actual compassionate God'' is capable of if you haven't met one before''? Why do assume that such a being must do things the way you'd do them?
it's its bible that made the assumption..

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by TomHagen: 7:22pm On Nov 02, 2016
raphieMontella:

it's its bible that made the assumption..
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord (Isaiah 55: 8 ).
Is this the 'assumption' you speak of?

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by raphieMontella: 7:27pm On Nov 02, 2016
TomHagen:
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord (Isaiah 55: 8 ).
Is this the 'assumption' you speak of?
is it not the same guy that acts like humans in the bible?
The same bible that said he doesnt change/repent because he is not a man..but still repents in the bibleundecided?
There are verses supporting my op too..
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by TomHagen: 7:33pm On Nov 02, 2016
raphieMontella:

is it not the same guy that acts like humans in the bible?
The same bible that said he doesnt change/repent because he is not a man..but still repents in the bibleundecided?
There are verses supporting my op too..
Common bro you are better than this. This verse could be interpreted as 'I ''act like humans'' when I please and act otherwise as I deem fit'. Yes?

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by FSMs: 7:37pm On Nov 02, 2016
TomHagen:
How do you know what ''an actual compassionate God'' is capable of if you haven't met one before''? Why do assume that such a being must do things the way you'd do them?
I didn't know that Compassionate means Drowning babies in the Flood? Or ordering For them to be killed or Accepting Human Sacrifice?

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by TomHagen: 7:43pm On Nov 02, 2016
FSMs:

I didn't know that Compassionate means Drowning babies in the Flood? Or ordering For them to be killed or Accepting Human Sacrifice?
Why did you isolate only 'compassionate'? Where in the bible did God claim to be compassionate? And finally why are you behaving like Deicide?

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by otemanuduno: 7:45pm On Nov 02, 2016
hopefulLandlord:
Yahweh is a joke

just like every god idea

YAHWEH IS A JOKER cheesy

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Weah96: 7:50pm On Nov 02, 2016
TomHagen:
How do you know what ''an actual compassionate God'' is capable of if you haven't met one before''?

It's possible to know what something is NOT even without seeing it. It's just the way that languages work.

3453/47 does not equal a billion. Even without solving the problem, you already know figures that cannot be the correct answer.
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by FSMs: 8:03pm On Nov 02, 2016
TomHagen:
Why did you isolate only 'compassionate'? Where in the bible did God claim to be compassionate? And finally why are you behaving like Deicide?
Psa 86:15 But thou, O Lord, [art] a God full of compassion, and gracious, longsuffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth.

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by TomHagen: 8:04pm On Nov 02, 2016
Weah96:


It's possible to know what something is NOT even without seeing it. It's just the way that languages work.

3453/47 does not equal a billion. Even without solving the problem, you already know figures that cannot be the correct answer.
This is because you know figures generally and what they are and how they operate. A person who has never seen figures before would not know this. Have you seen a God before? Any God; whether compassionate, kind, evil, malevolent, etc. Have you?

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by TomHagen: 8:08pm On Nov 02, 2016
FSMs:

Psa 86:15 But thou, O Lord, [art] a God full of compassion, and gracious, longsuffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth.
He's full of compassion, but He uses at His discretion. Bill Gates is 'full of money and charity'. Does he give it to everyone? Why?

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by ValentineMary(m): 8:18pm On Nov 02, 2016
TomHagen:
How do you know what ''an actual compassionate God'' is capable of if you haven't met one before''? Why do assume that such a being must do things the way you'd do them?
The idea of a compassionate/all loving God started by the theologian Thomas Aquinas. He said that if God is perfect then he must be all loving and compassionate. And certain verses support the claim that he is all loving eg "For God so love the world that he gave his only .....". If God is not all loving, he can't be perfect and if he is not perfect, he is not God.

BTW nice one OP. The idea of the xtian God is not only irrational, it is also inhuman. How can we teach our kids that they were born sinners because of what 2 adults did in a garden thousands of years ago? this is absolute folly indeed.

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by TomHagen: 8:21pm On Nov 02, 2016
ValentineMary:

The idea of a compassionate/all loving God started by the theologian Thomas Aquinas. He said that if God is perfect then he must be all loving and compassionate. And certain verses support the claim that he is all loving eg "For God so love the world that he gave his only .....". If God is not all loving, he can't be perfect and if he is not perfect, he is not God.

BTW nice one OP. The idea of the xtian God is not only irrational, it is also inhuman. How can we teach our kids that they were born sinners because of what 2 adults did in a garden thousands of years ago? this is absolute folly indeed.
Abeg complete the John 3:16 biko?
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by ValentineMary(m): 8:28pm On Nov 02, 2016
TomHagen:
Abeg complete the John 3:16 biko?
"That whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life" This goes further to prove the OP claim.
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 8:29pm On Nov 02, 2016
ValentineMary:

The idea of a compassionate/all loving God started by the theologian Thomas Aquinas. He said that if God is perfect then he must be all loving and compassionate. And certain verses support the claim that he is all loving eg "For God so love the world that he gave his only .....". If God is not all loving, he can't be perfect and if he is not perfect, he is not God.

BTW nice one OP. The idea of the xtian God is not only irrational, it is also inhuman. How can we teach our kids that they were born sinners because of what 2 adults did in a garden thousands of years ago? this is absolute folly indeed.


John 3 vs 16 FOR GOD SO LOVE VALENTINEMARY THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON..THAT WHOSOEVER (EVEN VALENTINEMARY) BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.....

Gods compassion is real as those who have believed in Him have tasted and experienced it..

Hos compassion cannot be measured using our standards as we are limited while He is not... If we are to take on the affairs of the world both seen and unseen I am sure we would have just destroyed the world permanently due to frustration or pure undilited wrath..but God is different as He is patient with VALENTINEMARY and wishes that you enjoy His free gift of Love wrapped in Jesus....

You do not believe God exists yet you roll out all manner of trash off your tongue trying to describe who He is or is not is that not confusion of immense proportions?

John 3:16 valenrinemary John 3:16
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 8:30pm On Nov 02, 2016
TomHagen:
He's full of compassion, but He uses at His discretion. Bill Gates is 'full of money and charity'. Does he give it to everyone? Why?
because his money has "Limits"

there's only so much he can give

I'm sure he'll give to anyone and everyone if he has unlimited money judging by what he's done with the limited money he has

but your god however has "unlimited everything" so bill gate analogy doesn't hold much water
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 8:34pm On Nov 02, 2016
ValentineMary:
"That whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life" This goes further to prove the OP claim.


God is not human so if you wish to understand His level or true kind of compassion then come up to His level through Christ Jesus.

Teach your own Kid what you feel is right while others teach theirs the truth about compassion.

Your position and words show why lots of people dread Atheists because they simply hate God so much so that even the good things about God are rejected by them and they would gladly do the opposite to prove that God cannot do anything to them...How sad..
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by TomHagen: 8:35pm On Nov 02, 2016
ValentineMary:
"That whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life" This goes further to prove the OP claim.
No. It goes further to show the extent of God's compassion. It's you and your ilk that attempt to construe it as unending.
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by TomHagen: 8:37pm On Nov 02, 2016
hopefullandlurd:

because his money has "Limits"

there's only so much he can give

I'm sure he'll give to anyone and everyone if he has unlimited money judging by what he's done with the limited money he has
We are talking about discretion in this case and not quantity. This is a red herring.

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Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by ValentineMary(m): 9:12pm On Nov 02, 2016
TomHagen:
No. It goes further to show the extent of God's compassion. It's you and your ilk that attempt to construe it as unending.
And his compassion lies in believing? how is that compassionate so no matter how kind one is as long as he does not believe, he is condemned? how is that compassionate

And worse still we now know thag belief is based on geographical location. So salvation is based on luck and no sort of good works whatsoever. smh
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by ValentineMary(m): 9:16pm On Nov 02, 2016
4everGod:



God is not human so if you wish to understand His level or true kind of compassion then come up to His level through Christ Jesus.

Teach your own Kid what you feel is right while others teach theirs the truth about compassion.

Your position and words show why lots of people dread Atheists because they simply hate God so much so that even the good things about God are rejected by them and they would gladly do the opposite to prove that God cannot do anything to them...How sad..

The bold text is off point and far from the truth. I guess u are just speculating because u probably have met no atheist in real life. How can I hate God atheist have explained how they don't hate God we just make argument in ur universe of discourse assuming ur God is a real entity.
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by Nobody: 9:19pm On Nov 02, 2016
ValentineMary:
And his compassion lies in believing? how is that compassionate so no matter how kind one is as long as he does not believe, he is condemned? how is that compassionate

And worse still we now know thag belief is based on geographical location. So salvation is based on luck and no sort of good works whatsoever. smh

Believing brings you into the fullness of that compassion and not the sneek peek state.

Self righteousness does not qualify one for Gods presence as His righteousness is not our level of righteousness. How can ypu a mortal want to equate your deeds with those of God the owner and maket of the universe but you can experience a part of it in Christ Jesus.

Salvation is based on Faith and not works and Faith is not Luck. Faith is seeing and believing what nobody else believes is real but you believe it even when you have not seen it. Faith is definite with God as it takes you to His realm and out of the Human level.

Salvation is open to all regardless of your location and you can be a partaker.

John 3: 16 was written for such as you are.
Re: The Asymmetric Nature Of The Christian Sin Economy by FSMs: 9:22pm On Nov 02, 2016
TomHagen:
He's full of compassion, but He uses at His discretion. Bill Gates is 'full of money and charity'. Does he give it to everyone? Why?
Is bill gates Omni are You comparing Bill gates to Yahweh?

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