hopefullandlurd:


I'm not dancing, you're the one dancing here

if I have foreknowledge, then there's really no freewill here since I already know what 4evergod would do with the compassion I'm about to show him, I'll use "discretion", that's where discretion comes in

if I don't have such foreknowledge, then I'll give EVERYONE

TomHagen:
Common bro you are better than this. This verse could be interpreted as 'I ''act like humans'' when I please and act otherwise as I deem fit'. Yes?

ValentineMary:
And his compassion lies in believing? how is that compassionate so no matter how kind one is as long as he does not believe, he is condemned? how is that compassionate

And worse still we now know thag belief is based on geographical location. So salvation is based on luck and no sort of good works whatsoever. smh

DoctorAlien:
This post reeks of ignorance. Typical of atheist arguments, anyway.

The concept of original sin is not biblical. A child is not born a sinner. Man only inherits sinful nature i.e. tendency to love sin rather than GOD. A baby has no knowledge of sin, and if it dies, it will rest in the grave till our LORD returns when it will go back to its Maker.

Jesus Christ was born too. He was not a sinner. He never sinned. And if birth could impart sin, Jesus would have been a sinner. He can't be one, anyway.

It's just that a human being, left alone, would naturally follow sin. Jesus is there, thankfully, to deliver us from sin, and to set us free from its shackles.

It would really do all these nairaland "atheists" much good if they read the Bible thoroughly and understood it, before coming to present intellectually nauseating arguments.

TomHagen:
I haven't seen ALL LOVING in the Bible. Show me if you have.

TomHagen:
What are the downsides of ''distributing compassion'' to everyone? Do you know?

raphieMontella:
The Bible is clear throughout that the sin of Adam and Eve was cast upon every person who has ever lived. This is definitively stated by St. Paul:



Then, thousands of years later, God decided to have his son killed to erase the sin of Adam and Eve. Here is the definitive verse, but note that there is a subtle difference from the verse above:



Yes, the second verse offering forgiveness requires an action whereas the verse condemning mankind is automatic. To be forgiven, you must believe in Jesus, but to be condemned by the sin of Adam, no belief or action is required. That is, you don’t have to believe in Adam to be condemned by his transgression. So why do you have to believe in Jesus to be forgiven?

Condemnation is unconditional, but forgiveness IS CONDITIONAL
Can an actual compassionate god stack the odds in such an unfair an bigoted manner?

TheSixthSense:
Your question is rhetorical and your intention isn't pure but there is no original sin. The god you describe here is the one of atheists that won you guys over.

raphieMontella:

paul is wrong?

Weah96:


Personal opinions don't apply to such matters. You said so yourself. You can only have an opinion about things that you understand, and unlimited wisdom happens to be beyond you.

With that being said, I admire your honesty.

raphieMontella:

1 john 4:8,16---all loving
psalm 145:9----all compassionate

raphieMontella:
does it make my interpretation invalid?

raphieMontella:
what are the downsides of ''distributing condemnation'' to only adam?
Remember the op....

raphieMontella:
The Bible is clear throughout that the sin of Adam and Eve was cast upon every person who has ever lived. This is definitively stated by St. Paul:



Then, thousands of years later, God decided to have his son killed to erase the sin of Adam and Eve. Here is the definitive verse, but note that there is a subtle difference from the verse above:



Yes, the second verse offering forgiveness requires an action whereas the verse condemning mankind is automatic. To be forgiven, you must believe in Jesus, but to be condemned by the sin of Adam, no belief or action is required. That is, you don’t have to believe in Adam to be condemned by his transgression. So why do you have to believe in Jesus to be forgiven?

Condemnation is unconditional, but forgiveness IS CONDITIONAL
Can an actual compassionate god stack the odds in such an unfair an bigoted manner?

TomHagen:
Not invalid perse. Incomplete is more like it.

raphieMontella:

Good..since its not invalid...
Then what exactly is the issue?

TheSixthSense:
No, Paul was not wrong. Original sin not as you describe it. Babies are not born with inherent sin. Jesus Christ wasn't born with inherent sin neither was Mary His mother. The original or 'first' sin committed by Adam and Eve, Orthodoxy believes that, while everyone bears the consequences of the first sin, the foremost of which is death, only Adam and Eve are guilty of that sin. However, Roman Catholicism teaches that everyone bears not only the consequence, but also the guilt of that sin and worst of all that the consequences of the original sin are hereditary. It did not remain only Adam and Eve’s.

TomHagen:
None of these verses can be translated as ''all-loving'' and ''all-compassionate''. Perhaps we differ on the meaning of these terms; ergo it would be helpful if you defined them as you understand them.

TomHagen:
The danger of a single story- Chimamanda Adichie.

shadeyinka:


I believe you know something's about genetics. Just as it is in the physical, so it is in the spiritual.

You don't have to do anything to inherit good or bad things and traits from your parent
BUT
You have to do something to change undesired traits.

For salvation! What you have to do is TOO simple BELIEVE! It doesn't cost you anything does it?

TomHagen:
Are you for real? Na Aquinas write Bible?

raphieMontella:

You just still butressed my point...

4everGod1:



when making statements and making comparisons you need to do so rightly so let me ask you this.

If you were God how would you handle discretion side by side with compassion towards your creation taking into consideration their diverse geographical locations, experiences, tribes, character, attirude, acceptance or rejection of people, selfishness, greed, wockedness, kindness and so on.

So tell me your own version of compassion and discretion if you would.

cc valentinemary

ValentineMary:
U still don't get the logic Aquinas was using. Waw I'm suprised. Okay let me ask u a qus. Can a being be perfect and not all loving?

raphieMontella:
how? Did you listen to adam's side? Or eve's?

raphieMontella:

*scoffs*
if you're going to redefine love and compassion on the spot same way you guys redefine murder when god orders the murder of kids...count me out

shadeyinka:


God knows that some people will choose to remain in their state of sin nature.

Is it right for God to force you to be with Him eternally?

Make your choice!

That's the point.

ValentineMary:
I have been ignoring u since but let me ans u one last time. Ur God, u caim is omniscient. I don't claim to be. He should know better. What's the use of being omniscient if he can't figure out how to spread his love and compassion in an unbiased way?

TomHagen:
Yes. Adam blamed Eve. Eve blamed the serpent.

TomHagen:
Aquinas did not write the Bible. The Bible is the standard. What do you mean by ''all loving''?

ValentineMary:
Did I say Aquinas wrote the bible ? he followed the bible teachings and claimed that since God is perfect, he must be all loving. If u don't know what all loving is, I don't think we should continue this conversation.

ValentineMary:
Did I say Aquinas wrote the bible ? he followed the bible teachings and claimed that since God is perfect, he must be all loving. If u don't know what all loving is, I don't think we should continue this conversation.