CoolUsername:

to spirituality because it was the inability for man to understand his immediate surroundings that gave birth to religion in the first place .

akintom:



May be if you attempt them, it might smoke out your sneaky skydaddy.

KingEbukasBlog:


This is why you think the analogy is flawed . Its more of a preconception . Spirituality exists outside religion . In Unitarian Universalism , the irreligious such as the atheists and agnostics seek spiritual growth .

KingEbukasBlog:


Actually Zeus can be referred to as a skydaddy , hopefully the earth's thermal radiation can smoke him out of his hiding .


Sorry for being pedantic , I've got fastidious eyes

akintom:



Why do you always get yourself twisted? How can "spirituality" exist outside religion?

And when does rational atheism started been seekers of spirits?

All because you don't check definition of words......


"Religion is a cultural system of behaviors and practices, world views, sacred texts , holy places, ethics, and societal organisation that relate humanity to what an anthropologist has called "an order of existence ".

Different religions may or may not contain various elements, ranging from the " divine ", "sacred things", " faith", a "supernatural being or supernatural beings" or "some sort of ultimacy and transcendence that will provide norms and power for the rest of life"

akintom:


How is your personal God different from Zeus?

naijadeyhia:


dude doesnt get it yet!

KingEbukasBlog:
I had to post Stephen Hawkings' lecture on beginning of time expounding the reasons why the universe does have a beginning which confutes your assertion that there's nothing that indicates the Universe needs one to exist . Stephen Hawking said : However, many people were unhappy with the idea that the universe had a beginning, because it seemed to imply the existence of a supernatural being who created the universe. It simply means that the beginning of the universe and time boldly suggests that the Universe must have needed something transcendent or supernatural orchestrating its existence .He also went ahead to prove that the universe and time itself had a beginning in the big bang

KingEbukasBlog:
I posted the link which included many evidences proving the presence of consciousness in the absence of matter as the buttress to my claim that God as an incorporeal being does exist as a separate conscious entity. In short , OBEs are enough proof that consciousness does exist without matter. And it does not have to be a near death experience , there are cases of astral projection which involves willfully experiencing self awareness outside one's body. Like Naijadeyhia put across to you , simply , if you have not experienced something you have no logical reason to reject it or claim it is false. So if you have not experienced OBEs , don't reject it with the obvious aim of sustaining your belief in naturalism .

KingEbukasBlog:
I clearly said that God's divinity permeates everything that exists now I'm going further to say that everything that exists is a manifestation of Itself . That's why I posted the link of my thread : "The Logic of God and Everything" . And to every manifestation in whatever realm/dimension there are laws that serve as a guide . God is an omniscient being so whatever difficulty you feel that must have been encountered during the creation of the universe , evidently he is knowledgeable enough to obviate anything undesirable .

CoolUsername:
This is why I asked if you even read the link to the end. The article then goes to show why the Universe having a beginning doesn't necessarily point towards a creator. I don't know why you continue to insist that mind trips prove consciousness without matter when the brain itself is the originator of such experiences. http://sploid.gizmodo.com/scientists-unlock-mystery-of-woman-who-sees-herself-out-1538196076 What proof do you have for this? Why is there even a need for you to formulate such a being when its properties don't even make any logical sense. Omniscience and omnipotence are meaningless traits no matter how you look at it. Why would an omniscient being even want to create a Universe? It can already see every single event that would ever happen, can't it? Can you -without anthropomorphizing this entity- give a reason as to why it would create a Universe?

naijadeyhia:
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Logical fallacy again. Have you tasted Omniscience, Omnipotence before to know that it is illogical to be applied to creation? Have you worn Gods shoes to know how it fits or why he even chose those shoes?

Are you not glad you exist? If you are not then i am for you because without Him you would ne sitting behind your phone or computer mouthing off. Plus for every cause there is an effect right? Since you are ignorant of how the spiritual works wait till you become a member of Gods board of trustees so you can be privy to some answers.

CoolUsername:
This is why I asked if you even read the link to the end. The article then goes to show why the Universe having a beginning doesn't necessarily point towards a creator.

CoolUsername:
I don't know why you continue to insist that mind trips prove consciousness without matter when the brain itself is the originator of such experiences. http://sploid.gizmodo.com/scientists-unlock-mystery-of-woman-who-sees-herself-out-1538196076 What proof do you have for this?

CoolUsername:

Why is there even a need for you to formulate such a being when its properties don't even make any logical sense. Omniscience and omnipotence are meaningless traits no matter how you look at it. Why would an omniscient being even want to create a Universe? It can already see every single event that would ever happen, can't it? Can you -without anthropomorphizing this entity- give a reason as to why it would create a Universe?

KingEbukasBlog:


See bro , when I argue or discuss , I see the subject matter from different perspectives at the same time . Some see the spirit , the immaterial part of man , as being part of what makes man different from sub species and that spirits are constituents of nature and has nothing to do with the supernatural . So those that those see it that way go to Unitarian Universalism to help them grow spiritually .

akintom:


You see, when you're engaging a rational atheist in debate, please always remember that, word definition within the context of that discussion, is TAKEN seriously.

To me and other rational atheists, man is psychosomatic. And the immaterial part called mind, is simply what the physical brain (material) does.

Spirit or spiritual belongs in theistic vocabulary.

CoolUsername:


Dude, until you prove spirituality beyond all reasonable doubt, I won't believe it. Nobody builds bridges or airplanes based on hearsay. Science is our most reliable way of solving problems.

Once you can prove what you're saying beyond all reasonable doubt then it becomes a scientific phenomenon.

The point is that, you neglected to address my questions.

KingEbukasBlog:


Because he does not exist in this universe , the Supreme Being's immanence makes him a Personal God - I believe the Supreme Being is immanent .

akintom:


You see, when you're engaging a rational atheist in debate, please always remember that, word definition within the context of that discussion, is TAKEN seriously.

To me and other rational atheists, man is psychosomatic. And the immaterial part called mind, is simply what the physical brain (material) does.

Spirit or spiritual belongs in theistic vocabulary.

KingEbukasBlog:


There is no such thing as rational atheists since atheism is illogical .

naijadeyhia:


Then quit with your argument because Kingebukasblog is clearly on a higher level of reasoning than you are. He subcribes to the earthly as well as the divine while you subscribe to just the earthly yet you claim to be open minded and a critical thinker?

Lol he calls himself a "rational" atheist!

KingEbukasBlog:


There is no such thing as rational atheists since atheism is illogical .

akintom:


You're simply inverted in mental decency.

naijadeyhia:


Then quit with your argument because Kingebukasblog is clearly on a higher level of reasoning than you are. He subcribes to the earthly as well as the divine while you subscribe to just the earthly yet you claim to be open minded and a critical thinker?

Lol he calls himself a "rational" atheist!

Seun:
As atheists, we should spend less time engaging in endless debates with apologists. Let's focus on people who honestly believe that God is real.

Seun:
As atheists, we should spend less time engaging in endless debates with apologists. Let's focus on people who honestly believe that God is real.

akintom:


Can you please explain why:


* there's no such thing as rational atheists

* and why atheism is illogical

DeepSight:

Atheism is illogical. The plain truth is that whatever one calls what is behind this reality, something is behind it. You may give it any name but it is not absurd to call it God.

KingEbukasBlog:


You can't be rational if you subscribe to something so illogical as atheism .



From Sir DeepSight : Atheism is illogical. The plain truth is that whatever one calls what is behind this reality, something is behind it. You may give it any name but it is not absurd to call it God.

naijadeyhia:


Seun my dear Christian Apologists are the backbone of Christianity and evangelicals. Win over an apologist and you win 100 people to your side. We are meant to be your target and not the fledgelings which you seem to think are the ones who "honestly" believe God is real.

Would there be Apologists if they did not believe God is Real?

KingEbukasBlog:


You just know how to humiliate somebori its not fair at all ... haba !!!

naijadeyhia:
Would there be Apologists if they did not believe God is Real?

Seun:

Evidently. Some people just like arguing and they don't really care whether the things they are arguing for are true or not. They just love it.

LightandDarkness:
Aren't religious/creationists debaters also guilty of a lot of these?