Seun:
As atheists, we should spend less time engaging in endless debates with apologists. Let's focus on people who honestly believe that God is real.

Seun 1) What's would be your definition of "honestly believe"?
2) Is there any scientific evidence backing your subtle assertion that apologists don't honestly believe that God exists?
3) If someone "honestly" believes that God exists, what productive result do you think will come out from a discussion with someone who "honestly" believes that God doesn't exist if none of them (the atheist inclusive) is unwilling to change their minds about the definition of EVIDENCE.

akintom:



Why do you always get yourself twisted? How can "spirituality" exist outside religion?

And when does rational atheism started been seekers of spirits?

All because you don't check definition of words......


"Religion is a cultural system of behaviors and practices, world views, sacred texts , holy places, ethics, and societal organisation that relate humanity to what an anthropologist has called "an order of existence ".

Different religions may or may not contain various elements, ranging from the " divine ", "sacred things", " faith", a "supernatural being or supernatural beings" or "some sort of ultimacy and transcendence that will provide norms and power for the rest of life"

Why won't we be right to claim that atheism is a form of religion.

PDBonline:

Thank God someone finally agreed that Dawkins writings swims in fallacies.

Now, to try to assert that someone else is wrong is not the issue here. It's a great virtue to say, "Why! My faults are exposed. I admit I'm wrong."

"Dawkins writings swims in fallacies." I didn't say that, I don't even agree with most of the OPs post. I said these are things that are common on both sides of the argument. Dawkins "faults" are being exposed not mine? I have nothing to admit i'm wrong about.

PDBonline:

Why won't we be right to claim that atheism is a form of religion.

Atheism is not a religion. Religion 1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. 2. a particular system of faith and worship. Atheism is neither, it is more of a worldview.

To put it simply Atheism isnt a religion like "off" isnt a TV channel.

LightandDarkness:


"Dawkins writings swims in fallacies." I didn't say that, I don't even agree with most of the OPs post. I said these are things that are common on both sides of the argument. Dawkins "faults" are being exposed not mine? I have nothing to admit i'm wrong about.

Your attempt at trying to point out that what dawkins says and is seen as fallacious is also what theists do clearly shows you agree that dawkins comments and writings are riddled with fallacies. You agreed with the OP directly. Now that you agreed with the OP what PDBonline expected was for you or your likes to say yes Dawkins is fallacious and we are sorry about that but rather than do that you all went on your own run of fallacies.

Get it now?

naijadeyhia:
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Logical fallacy again. Have you tasted Omniscience, Omnipotence before to know that it is illogical to be applied to creation? Have you worn Gods shoes to know how it fits or why he even chose those shoes?

Are you not glad you exist? If you are not then i am for you because without Him you would ne sitting behind your phone or computer mouthing off. Plus for every cause there is an effect right? Since you are ignorant of how the spiritual works wait till you become a member of Gods board of trustees so you can be privy to some answers.

fallacy of unwarranted assumption. You are assuming there is a spiritual to have knowledge of and also that he was created by a god.

LightandDarkness:


Atheism is not a religion. Religion 1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. 2. a particular system of faith and worship. Atheism is neither, it is more of a worldview.

To put it simply Atheism isnt a religion like "off" isnt a TV channel.

This same repetetive definition of atheism. You all must be reading from the same book. Atheism is a self view bro.

naijadeyhia:


These same repetetive definition of atheism. You all must be reading from the same book. Atheism is a self view bro.

Not sure what you're trying to say here

LightandDarkness:



fallacy of unwarranted assumption. You are assuming there is a spiritual to have knowledge of and also that he was created by a god.

I am not assuming! From my perspective i know so there is no fallacy from my end or have you forgotten i am a believer in God?

naijadeyhia:


Your attempt at trying to point out that what dawkins says and is seen as fallacious is also what theists do clearly shows you agree that dawkins comments and writings are riddled with fallacies. You agreed with the OP directly. Now that you agreed with the OP what PDBonline expected was for you or your likes to say yes Dawkins is fallacious and we are sorry about that but rather than do that you all went on your own run of fallacies.

Get it now?

Why would I be sorry or be overly concerned that Dawkins arguments are flawed (not that I think they completely are). My point is if you're saying Dawkins arguments are weak because of this, the same could be said of any theist that does the same xD

LightandDarkness:


Not sure what you're trying to say here

i wrote in english

naijadeyhia:


I am not assuming! From my perspective i know so there is no fallacy from my end or have you forgotten i am a believer in God?

There is a big difference between believing and knowing, dont confuse the two.

LightandDarkness:


Why would I be sorry or be overly concerned that Dawkins arguments are flawed (not that I think they completely are). My point is if you're saying Dawkins arguments are weak because of this, the same could be said of any theist that does the same xD

not weak .....flawed! Fallacious!

naijadeyhia:


i wrote in english

"These same repetetive definition of atheism. You all must be reading from the same book. Atheism is a self view bro."

I can't tell what point you're making here

LightandDarkness:


There is a big difference between believing and knowing, dont confuse the two.

Dude a believer in God knows who GOD Is and that He is behind creation. So yes i do not believe, i know there is a difference!

LightandDarkness:


Atheism is not a religion. Religion 1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. 2. a particular system of faith and worship. Atheism is neither, it is more of a worldview.

To put it simply Atheism isnt a religion like "off" isnt a TV channel.

1) When they start talking about SPIRITuality then they are sending mixed signals.
2) Faith in God or a god or gods etc are VIEWS too
3) Dictionary definition changes with time.
4) Theism is different from religion. One is the believe, the other is the outward practice. Theism vs Atheism, Religious vs Irreligious. Therefore, an atheist may be religious.

Seun:
As atheists, we should spend less time engaging in endless debates with apologists. Let's focus on people who honestly believe that God is real.

Seun I HONESTLY believe God is real. In fact, I know He is my Father. I don't understand what you meant by "honestly believe" but I'll like you to discuss with me because , by dictionary definition, I have no doubt I do. Awaiting your response to my questions.

PDBonline:

1) When they start talking about SPIRITuality then they are sending mixed signals.
2) Faith in God or a god or gods etc are VIEWS too
3) Dictionary definition changes with time.
4) Theism is different from religion. One is the believe, the other is the outward practice. Theism vs Atheism, Religious vs Irreligious. Therefore, an atheist may be religious.

And religion is a system of faith and worship, which gods, rules, doctrines etc. Also You just suggested atheists are irreligious and irreligious literally means not/absent of religion...

naijadeyhia:


Who thrashed them? You guys can lie for atheism. William Craig spanked Harris like there was no tomorrow. In fact he spanked him like he gave birth to him. Please focus on the OP. All this your distractions are not needed.

Sam Harris Butchers William Lane Craig in this Religion & god debate ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8czLiXQJcc

Remilekun101:


Sam Harris Butchers William Lane Craig in this Religion & god debate ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8czLiXQJcc

Hahahaha why post a video that an Atheist conveniently tagged in order to massage his bruised ego. I am sure youtube and the comments on Youtube about that video would enlighten you better. Oh FYI there are different Youtube submissions of the same video.

By the way did you know that Richard Dawkins was horrified at the way William Lane Craig spanked Sam Harris that when asked to debate Willliam Craig he bailed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y4znlARl08&t=0s

LightandDarkness:


And religion is a system of faith and worship, which gods, rules, doctrines etc. Also You just suggested atheists are irreligious and irreligious literally means not/absent of religion...

I said "may be religious"
Those dictionary definitions are not real definition but explanations of what exists. It doesn't necessarily cover all about religion. Religion (well, as used in the bible) is just an outward expression of faith which I consider to be a more appropriate definition.

For example, if you claim their is no God or gods yet you worship yourself or some scientists or theories you can be called an irreligious atheist (your believe is incompatible with your expression). Some atheists, for example attend church services and participate in religious rituals.

In the same way, if you believe there is God but don't express it in practice(for whatever reason: peer pressure, fear etc) you are an irreligious theist.

KingEbukasBlog:


Thanks bro . I can't imagine how someone would claim to open minded and a critical thinker yet reject overwhelming evidence of the existence of the supernatural just to sustain his unbelief .




One word : delusion




Lmaooo

Damn ! Every single post , every single meme is so point . Fire on bro 8

One moment you appear to be intelligent, just a second after, you soak in mental somersault.

What is the meaning of "overwhelming evidence of the existence of the supernatural".

You could as well say overwhelming evidence of the existence of the aliens.

Scientists/researchers didn't coin the phrase "overwhelming evidence", out whimps and caprices. Don't be childish please.

PDBonline:

Seun I HONESTLY believe God is real. In fact, I know He is my Father. I don't understand what you meant by "honestly believe" but I'll like you to discuss with me because , by dictionary definition, I have no doubt I do. Awaiting your response to my questions.

How does this your "real God" look like?

PDBonline:
Why won't we be right to claim that atheism is a form of religion.

The burden of prove is then on you.

KingEbukasBlog:

You can't be rational if you subscribe to something so illogical as atheism .


From Sir DeepSight :

You're simply soaked in clouds

akintom:



One moment you appear to be intelligent, just a second after, you soak in mental somersault.

What is the meaning of "overwhelming evidence of the existence of the supernatural".

You could as well say overwhelming evidence of the existence of the aliens.

Scientists/researchers didn't coin the phrase "overwhelming evidence", out whimps and caprices. Don't be childish please.

You really are desperate for a victory But guess what....

akintom:



How does this your "real God" look like?

The assumption that the real God must look somehow has no basis. He is Spirit. That's all I can manage to say.

PDBonline:
The assumption that the real God must look somehow has no basis. He is Spirit. That's all I can manage to say.

Putting it to you, real God doesn't exist. It's ok by me.

akintom:



The burden of prove is then on you.

Correction!

The burden of proof is then on you

akintom:



How does this your "real God" look like?

^^^^^^^^

Hey guys look up. What sane person would even ask this question? Man sees man but this guy wants to put man on the same pedestal as God in description. If a description of God is given now he would declare like he declared to kingebukasblog that we have our head in the clouds

akintom:



Putting it to you, real God doesn't exist. It's ok by me.

Ask Him to speak to you in a way you cannot disproof if you want to know whether or not He exists.
If you don't want to know He exists, that's all together a different matter of self-inflicted ignorance.

PDBonline:

Ask Him to speak to you in a way you cannot disproof if you want to know whether or not He exists.
If you don't want to know He exists, that's all together a different matter of self-inflicted ignorance.

Watch him say he was once a Pastor next.