in the spirit of thanksgiving i'll just laugh at tayo d today . . . . he he he he ha ha ha ha ha

Tayo-D:

Okay you win. I admit I used the wrong terminology (even though I am still trying to figure out if "eat deeper into" is a technical economic terminology). I don tire going around in circles.

The idiot cant even get his own terminology or phrase straight on a subject he raised.

I hope he has read the book I suggested to him, then come back and tell me that sunni and shite is a religion, and in no way an ethnic group.

Ignorant loud idiot that he is.

Ikomi:

The idiot cant even get his own terminology or phrase straight on a subject he raised.

I hope he has read the book I suggested to him, then come back and tell me that sunni and shite is a religion, and in no way an ethnic group.

Ignorant loud idiot that he is. 

 

This guy is a first grade retard. So the Sunni/Shia divide is an ethnic divide?

I think this slowpoke was fooled by the web sites that referred to 'ethno-religious' group. In reality, what ethno-religious grouping meant is that those sites were categorising groups in Iraq not just according to their religion, but also their ethnicity.

This Ikomi is an exemplar slowpoke.

May I use this opportunity to educate you on issues you know little about before you go on calling people names that would best describe you, except you have facts to proof me wrong.

Early in the history of Islam, the Shia were a political faction (party of 'Alī) that supported caliphate of Ali ibn Abi Ṭalib and, later, of his descendants. Starting as a political faction, this group gradually developed into a religious movement.

The term Sunni is an adjective formed from the noun sunna (plural sunan), an ancient Arabic word meaning "customary practice." Although in the pre-Islamic world of tribal Arabia the word sunna referred generally to the time-tested and widely accepted customs of a tribe, in the Islamic period the term came to refer specifically to the customary practices or "way" of the prophet Muhammad and the first generation of pious Muslims. Eventually the adjective Sunni came to describe the largest of the three primary sectarian divisions among Muslims

I hope you would get the book I recommended, read it and understand the issue you dive into, and don't call people names nunnecessarily.

@pres-elect,

in the spirit of thanksgiving i'll just laugh at tayo d today . . . . he he he he ha ha ha ha ha 

It is not by force to provide an input on a topic, especially if you have nothing tangible to add to the discussion.  I hope you will remember that you are the first to turn attention to personalities.  I am sure this truth will elude you when you are given a dose of your own medicine.  It is very typical of you to take the first shot and start shedding crocodile tears when the table turns on you.  I wonder whose shoulders you will go crying on when you can't take it any more.

i'll turn to your shoulders now . . they are broad enough . . .aint they

more laughter at my man tayo d . . ha ha ha ha ha he he he he

@naliakar,

The idiot cant even get his own terminology or phrase straight on a subject he raised.

You are such a dolt. Perhaps you can help all of us by telling us if "eat deep into" is a technical economic terminology.  When you have no understanding of issues, just step away or keep quiet.  I suppose Ibime understands why I gave in to move the discussion along, but you however are so clueless that you can only read words without understanding the sentence. It is such a pity that money was wasted to send you to school in the first place.  You show no sign that you got any education.

I hope he has read the book I suggested to him, then come back and tell me that sunni and shite is a religion, and in no way an ethnic group.

First, I never said sunni and shite is  a religion as you claimed.  These are the two major sects of Islam, and I repeat they are no ethnic groups. I have explained to you times without number, and 4Play has been gracious enough to do the same that an ethno-religious grouping is different from an ethnic  or religious groupings. Please stop disgracing your alma matar on the www by broadcasting your ignorance repeatedly. Catholism and Protestanism are two major denominations of Christianity. Your logic will lead us to conclude that Catholics and Protestants must be members of an ethnic group. Do you see how stupid you are potraying yourself?

Ignorant loud idiot that he is.

Once again, you are putting a right label on a wrong horse.  This perfectly decsribes you.

@Ayatollah Ikomi,

May I use this opportunity to educate you on issues you know little about before you go on calling people names that would best describe you, except you have facts to proof me wrong.

You?  Educate someone??  How can you give what you don't have  I will explain the quotation you provided below to illustrate just how much you do not comprehend the things you read.  You have proven once and for all that reading does not equate to comprehension.

Early in the history of Islam, the Shia were a political faction (party of 'Alī) that supported caliphate of Ali ibn Abi Ṭalib and, later, of his descendants. Starting as a political faction, this group gradually developed into a religious movement.
In other words, Shiites are members of a religious group and not an ethnic group as you claim.  Understand that?

The term Sunni is an adjective formed from the noun sunna (plural sunan), an ancient Arabic word meaning "customary practice." Although in the pre-Islamic world of tribal Arabia the word sunna referred generally to the time-tested and widely accepted customs of a tribe, in the Islamic period the term came to refer specifically to the customary practices or "way" of the prophet Muhammad and the first generation of pious Muslims. Eventually the adjective Sunni came to describe the largest of the three primary sectarian divisions among Muslims
Even this clearly shows that Sunnis are a religious grop in Islam.  This divide is clearly stated to be religious and not ethnic as you keep blabbing.

@Ayatollah Ikomi,

Eventually the adjective Sunn[/b]i came to describe [b]the largest of the three primary sectarian divisions among Muslims I may not have read this book, but it provides enough information to prove that I am on the right side, and as always, you on the wrong.  I clearly pointed out this fact to you previously that the Sunnis are the largest group in the ME.  You on the other hand declared that the Shiattes were the largest group and were merely trying to control the ME because of this.  Do you see how wrong you are again?

I don tire to dey prove you wrong and educate you. Maybe 4Play will be gracious enough to continue when I stop. In the mean time, I will be on my way to Naija later this week for a well-deserved vacation.  I shall not be under any obligation to educate your sorry behind during that period!

After providing the facts I will still have to explain it.

Well someone said it before:

Ibime:

And you wonder why I always dismiss your rants in customarily curt fashion. . . .

What something becomes does that make what it was irrelevant?

@Ikomi,

After providing the facts I will still have to explain it

What facts for goodness sake? Facts that you cannot rightly interprete?  Where in the text you provided does it say that Sunni or Shia divide is a tribal one?  The closest you may come to it is that the origin of the word sunni is rooted in the custom (not an ethnic group) of any tribe.  It never did, nor does it refer to an ethnic group as you have claimed.  You are such an olodo.

What something becomes does that make what it was irrelevant?

This is just a failed attempt to save face.  First, none of the words ever refered to an ethnic group.  Second, your description of the ME groups was not as it related to pre-islam, but as it currently exist.  The origin of Sunni is based on customary practices and you declared the word to mean an ethnic group. Shiites are a group rooted in a politics. So do we refer to Shiites as a political group then? Logic just fails you at every turn, doesn't it?

At this stage, wisdom dictates that you admit your lack of knowledge and quietly exit the thread as you brashly jumped into it.  However, I doubt you ever seek nor accept the dictates of wisdom.  Please consider these words that are usually spoken to fools like you: "It's better to be quiet and be considered a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Tayo-D:

The closest you may come to it is that the origin of the word sunni is rooted in the custom (not an ethnic group) of any tribe.  It never did, nor does it refer to an ethnic group as you have claimed. 

The origin of Sunni is based on customary practices and you declared the word to mean an ethnic group. Shiites are a group rooted in a politics. So do we refer to Shiites as a political group then?

You are such a waste of space.

I am not ploting graphs with you or solving algebra to think of logic, am talking history, if you have any historical facts to back your argument go and bring it I have provided you with two, a book and a snippet since I can not re-invent the wheel and write a whole book out for all to see. Actually it would mean wasting time on a nuisance like you.

All I get is your childish logic and rant, and of course Ayattollah.

Capitalism, he wrote, is the only system of economics compatible with human dignity, prosperity, and liberty. To the extent we move away from that system, we empower the worst people in society to manage what they do not understand.

@Tayo

i totally agree with your conclusion,and nigeria must never toy with the idea of socialism

as for america,the capitalist root is too deep for obama to seriously mess with,besides the senate will slow down most of the proposals

back to nigeria we have to deregulate power,and any other commercial service being provided soley by the govt

deepen our capital markets,improve financial literacy amongst the citizens and
watch the economy take off to 10% growth instead of the measly 4-5% we have now
china is doing it,so i dont think anyone can seriously argue for socialism in 2009

It is funny when people present ideologies as the absolute truth.

The fact is, there is no absolute truth.

Capitalism and Socialism are the ying and yang that cant live without each other.

Many African countries who went too far one way found it to their detriment.

Even the great Awolowo is lauded for his socialst policies of the 60's. Likewise Nkrumah and Nyerere. By the same breath, some leaders like Haile Mariam of Ethiopia took it too far and had hell to pay. Others on the other end of the spectrum like Mobutu did the same and wrecked their countries.

Ibime:

It is funny when people present ideologies as the absolute truth.

The fact is, there is no absolute truth.

Capitalism and Socialism are the ying and yang that cant live without each other.

Many African countries who went too far one way found it to their detriment.

Even the great Awolowo is lauded for his socialst policies of the 60's. Likewise Nkrumah and Nyerere. By the same breath, some leaders like Haile Mariam of Ethiopia took it too far and had hell to pay. Others on the other end of the spectrum like Mobutu did the same and wrecked their countries.

Capitalism and socialism are not two equally effective ideologies. Socialism has been historically proven to be a bankrupt ideology.

The real question is what manner of capitalism nation states should adopt. A free wheeling capitalist society where the state's intervention is kept to the barest minimum or one where the state plays an active role in smoothing over the weaknesses of the capitalist system.

Hype over Nkrumah, Nyerere and Awo . . . . . products of personality cults IMHO.

^^^Absolute Socialism is a bankrupt ideology, likewise absolute capitalism.

The ying and yang refers to the fact that you cannot have an ideal state without incorporating tenets of both.

There is no such thing as manner of capitalism. That is polispeak for a quasi-system which incorporates some tenets of socialism. As I have said many a time, I think the British system provides the closest balance between the two.

evils of capitalism- slavery, racism, poverty, scarcity, greed. etc, and unemployment,

@Ibime,

The fact is, there is no absolute truth

If that were true, why then should anyone take your statement seriously? How do you go through life without understanding and accepting that there are truths and there are lies?  Could we declare then that there is no absolute lie?

It is funny when people present ideologies as the absolute truth.

Ideologies are supposed to be based on truths.  Ideologies are imbibed through a deep reflection of facts/truth.

Difference between capitalism and socialism?  One recognises the sacredness of individual freedom and choice, and the other does not.  This is a biggy for one reason: all men are born free and were created to live free. Now that, is an absolute truth of life.

^^^STFU!!!

Tayo-D:

@Ibime,
If that were true, why then should anyone take your statement seriously? How do you go through life without understanding and accepting that there are truths and there are lies? Could we declare then that there is no absolute lie?
Ideologies are supposed to be based on truths. Ideologies are imbibed through a deep reflection of facts/truth.

Ideologies are not based on truths, I'm happy you used "supposed" in that statement.
Ideologies are more like structures based on a nexus or web of what a culture believes to be TRUTH. Ideologies are more in the realm of belief more so- beliefs could be based on correct or erroneous data. If you've been a student of humanities /social sciences you'd understand the fundamentals of these things.Check the dictionary meaning of ideology to get what i mean.

Some beliefs fall closer to rational thinking than others, but that doesn't necessarily make them truth. An example is, I could kiss and handle another girl and go home content that i haven't cheated on my girlfriend. That belief would not be entirely true , neither is it a lie. The estimation of it being in the vicinity of truth or lie would of course be based on other factors. certain groups would consider the act as cheating but that wouldn't be entirely true of course. other cultures would consider it not cheating, though less rational it wouldn't be entirely untrue either.

Tayo-D:


Difference between capitalism and socialism?  One recognises the sacredness of individual freedom and choice, and the other does not.  This is a biggy for one reason: all men are born free and were created to live free. Now that, is an absolute truth of life.

there is a flawed argument here, in all society, certain parts would be stifled by the majority. thus there is no absolute freedom. the majority decides who gets more of the resources, what behaviour and liberty is to be curbed, and who chips in more. thus on the aspect of freedom and choice, capitalism does not prove to be better than socialism. socialism is about social justice.