sekundosekundo:


Break away from where?. Show me your church or organisation and I will tell you how they raise fund. Do not be deceived, no organisation can survive without money whether you call it tithe, Zakat, donation, offering, gift etc all na money. In Matthew 17 even Jesus was held until he pay money.

When did church become an organisation.

Are you saying the body of Christ cant survive without money?

brother park

Slaveman343:
When did church become an organisation.

Are you saying the body of Christ cant survive without money?

brother park

YES! the Church cannot survive without money. If you think otherwise, proof me wrong.

Slaveman343:
When did church become an organisation.

Are you saying the body of Christ cant survive without money?

brother park

YES! the Church cannot survive without money. If you think otherwise, proof me wrong. Just tell me how the church will survive without money.

sekundosekundo:


I paid tithe to my Church and you are angry, what are you?.

You are a pastor's slave and fuul

sekundosekundo:


Break away from where?. Show me your church or organisation and I will tell you how they raise fund. Do not be deceived, no organisation can survive without money whether you call it tithe, Zakat, donation, offering, gift etc all na money. In Matthew 17 even Jesus was held until he pay money.

Ask your pastor the secret to his so-called "call" and he will tell you where he broke away from. Who sends him to form church?

blazer234:


Ask your pastor the secret to his so-called "call" and he will tell you where he broke away from. Who sends him to form church?

And the place you think he broke away from wasn't formed abi?.

blazer234:

You are a pastor's slave and fuul

Thanks a lot. I like it when people insult me. Pls can you insult me more?.

sekundosekundo:


Where's it written that the scripture is not applicable under the new testament, today's Levites in the Church how do you take care of them?. Pls I need an answer.

Maybe this article below would help you a bit.

To tithe or not to tithe? That is the question.

And how we answer leads to other questions:

Gross or net? What if in debt?
Should we give 10% of everything, including Christmas and birthday gifts and tax refunds?
If you cannot give with joy, should you just not give at all?
Unfortunately, a simple answer won’t suffice.

Tithing in the Old Testament

The word “tithe” is derived from the word “tenth,” and Israel’s forefathers had long practiced a tradition of giving 10% (Gen. 14:20, 28:22) before it was instituted at Sinai (Lev. 27:30-32; Num. 18:21-28; Deut. 12:5-19, 14:22-29, 26:1-19).

Old Testament giving was diverse. Israel was to give sacrifices, freewill offerings, redeem their firstborn people and animals and pay various taxes, among other things. The 10% tithe on harvest and flock was simply one aspect of the diverse gifts required under the Mosaic Covenant, and some estimate that as much as 25% of income was required when considering the various festivals and offerings present.

Though I don’t remember many sermons from my childhood, I vividly remember Malachi 3:8-10. Failure to tithe 10% of your income was equal to thievery, I was told.

But is this the case? Is 10% still required and expected? Or has the revelation of the gospel clarified how we are to think about giving?

Tithing in the New Testament

Beyond a mention of tithing in a parable (Luke 18:12) and a description of Abraham’s gift to Melchizedek (Heb. 7:3-10), tithing is only mentioned in two parallel passages of the Gospels (Matt. 23:23; Luke 11:42). The New Testament never commands the tithe, but the parallel gospel accounts assume it.

What are we to make of this virtual silence in the New Testament?

As with each and every element of the Old Testament, we must read through gospel-informed lenses. We don’t live in ancient Israel and thus must not woodenly apply the prescriptions of the Old Covenant as if not living in the New. The life, death and resurrection of Christ has fundamentally transformed how believers are to relate to the Mosaic Law.1

Jesus changes everything by exposing motivation and intent.

I can almost hear Christ whispering, “You have heard it said, ‘give your tithe of 10%,’ but I say to you…”

How Do We Give?

God gives. No truth is more readily apparent in Scripture than the generosity, grace and gifts of God. He delights in giving.

As those being conformed to the image of Christ, we should equally delight in giving. And it isn’t just giving in general that is expected; rather it is selfless and sacrificial giving that overflows from a heart responding to the generosity of the gospel.

Here are a few principles to consider:

Give generously.
Consider 2 Corinthians 8-9. If you want to grasp giving, read those chapters and read them again. Not just the “God loves the cheerful giver” section, but the whole thing. The Macedonians gave generously, “beyond their means,” and begged earnestly for “the favor” of doing so. This is radical giving, not just throwing some pocket change in the plate as it passes by.

Give cheerfully.
There is a reward for giving, but it is dependent upon a heart free from a lust for the temporal rewards of this earth (Matt.6:1-4).

Gospel giving is cheerful and voluntary because it trusts that every deposit into the kingdom will earn eternal interest.

If you can’t give cheerfully, give anyway (don’t compound your internal sin with external sin), but as you do, confess your struggle, seek clarity on the disconnect between your heart and the gospel, pray for joy, and walk in repentance.

Give sacrificially.
This is probably the most underappreciated and underapplied principle for Christian giving today. It inconveniences us, and the flesh is quick to offer excuses and justification, but the gospel calls us to deep and radical sacrifice.

In 1 John 3:16-17, the apostle exhorts the Church to care for brothers in need as an overflow and implication of gospel love, the type of love that lays down one’s life for another. Do we actually give to the point that we feel it and the feeling stings? Does the call to take up our cross (Matt. 16:24-26) not also carry the charge to lay down our checkbooks?

Give spontaneously.
A heart freed by the gospel does not wait for opportunities to give. It intentionally seeks them out. Gospel giving looks for chances to bless others and listens to the needs of those near and far.

Gospel generosity gives to those who beg (Matt. 5:42), risking the gift might not be used properly (which is not to say that it is not righteous and wise to occasionally withhold support for some greater purpose). Those walking in the light of the gospel engage in good deeds and meet pressing needs anytime and anywhere they arise.

Give regularly.
Though we should give as need arises, we should also be consistent and disciplined in giving. Giving is linked with prayer and fasting (Matt. 6:1-18), and both should contain some element of discipline and regularity.

In 1 Corinthians 16:2, the apostle Paul explicitly commends a disciplined and orderly form of giving in addition to whatever spontaneous offerings and gifts we might be compelled to give.

Give secretly.
I don’t think that Jesus necessarily intends for us to sign Christmas cards “John Doe,” but there is a general theme of secret giving for the sake of eternal reward. The flesh craves the praise of man, and thus we need to beware the hypocrisy and tendency to give in an effort to purchase the acclaim, attention and affection of others (Matt. 6:2-4).

Give thankfully.
Grace is the basis for gratitude. As those who have received grace, we should gratefully extend it to others.

To Whom Do Believers Give?

Knowing how we should give in principle, we see that Scripture calls us to give to:

Our local church
Our spiritual family
Our biological family
Our neighbors
Our enemies
Though the law of the tithe as understood in its Old Testament context is no longer mandatory for believers, I would argue strongly that giving a regular, set amount to your local church is a healthy and helpful principle. God commands the church members to support those who explicitly labor for the sake of the kingdom (1 Tim. 5:17-18; 1 Cor. 9:3-12), and the church leaders often have a greater picture of the church’s and the community’s needs.

Within the New Testament, we see the early church selling their possessions and laying the proceeds at the feet of the apostles (Acts 4:32-37), trusting them to discern how to best steward the gifts. In the same way, you should entrust a major portion of your giving to your local church. If you are not currently covenanted with a church whose leadership you trust, you have a responsibility to honestly consider the motivations of your own heart and humbly dialogue through your concerns with your leaders. If, after taking these steps, your mistrust is found to be appropriate, go elsewhere. If you can’t trust your pastors with your giving, you probably shouldn’t trust them with your growth in Christ.

In addition to giving to a local church, there are many missionaries and ministries in need of funding, as well as countless family, friends, neighbors, enemies, widows, orphans, and the impoverished and oppressed. Such need requires attentive hearts. It is hard to be generous and compassionate without being observant and aware of the needs around us.

Informed by gospel lenses, we should not think of giving as a mere responsibility, but an opportunity. In view of this reality, 10% should not be the goal. We should continue to think through how we can afford to give more and more.

The gospel compels us to give, confronting our fleshly tendencies toward greed, control, comfort and convenience.

What if a raise or bonus provided an opportunity to further advance the gospel rather than buy a bigger house?

What if where we ate and traveled and what we wore and drove were all filtered through kingdom lenses?

What if we sought to give not 10% but 25% or 50% or more?

Forget the tithe. Are you giving generously, cheerfully, sacrificially, spontaneously, regularly, secretly and thankfully? If not, why not?

Because of nigerian pastors,i almost became an athiest.If i had not opened ma heart to read the bible and learn more about Jesus and his teachings,these pastors for don use me shine,but Thank God for Jesus.
If u don't take ur time to read ur bible and understand God through Jesus christ,u are finished,this pastors go turn u to slave.
Read ur bible and gain understanding and"u shall understand the truth and the truth shall set u free"
To ma understanding christianiti is not a religion.,it is more of "life" or "truth".
I rather give 100% of ma earnings to help people than give 1% as tithe.

sekundosekundo:


You said that Jehovah's witnesse have their reward in Heaven. But do they believe in Heaven?. Why you dey lie like this?.

Now you have gone back to where we started from, so mr. Right hand man of God how are you so sure that heaven won't be on earth? , how are you so concrete sure your pastor will be there when the time comes, no matter how much money you give the pastor, you might still not make heaven while the Jehovah witness guy you mocked the other day will be there even though he did not believe in it. Because he is pure in heart and loved his neighbors as himself whereas you paid all your tithe, got your pastor so rich yet may find yourself in hell cause you paid tithe for your own selfish reasons and never loved God.

Search your conscience, so I have asked many Nigerians who jump into church yet take every opportunity to defraud their neighbors.

Church everywhere, yet we are among the most dysfunctional societies in the world. Again search your conscience.

Great6Pack:


Are u a product of unwanted pregnancy? Why are u so bitter with your life? I pity the generation coming from u.

Pls take good care of yoursef

oo ni kuure

blueseacats:
Now you have gone back to where we started from, so mr. Right hand man of God how are you so sure that heaven won't be on earth? , how are you so concrete sure your pastor will be there when the time comes, no matter how much money you give the pastor, you might still not make heaven while the Jehovah witness guy you mocked the other day will be there even though he did not believe in it. Because he is pure in heart and loved his neighbors as himself whereas you paid all your tithe, got your pastor so rich yet may find yourself in hell cause you paid tithe for your own selfish reasons and never loved God.

Search your conscience, so I have asked many Nigerians who jump into church yet take every opportunity to defraud their neighbors.

Church everywhere, yet we are among the most dysfunctional societies in the world. Again search your conscience.

So you know the heart of Jehovah's witnesses that they pure?.
Chai!, I pray that people's appearance don't deceive you. No one knows the heart of man says God. If you say Jehovah's witnesses don't contribute money, pls tell them to gather in the forest and not that Brick house built with money.

sekundosekundo:



So you know the heart of Jehovah's witnesses that they pure?.
Chai!, I pray that people's appearance don't deceive you. No one knows the heart of man says God. If you say Jehovah's witnesses don't contribute money, pls tell them to gather in the forest and not that Brick house built with money.

So far from everyone watching our chats, they would have figured out who is a victim to fraud, that person is obviously not me. I learned not to trust anyone that calls himself pastor or church going addicts in Nigeria as a country, they are the worst vipers of all humans.

Yes Jehovah witnesses built their places of worship and they do the real charity work. In my opinion you Pentecostals are worse off than they are.

Nigerians with brain are beginning to wake up

blueseacats:
So far from everyone watching our chats, they would have figured out who is a victim to fraud, that person is obviously not me. I learned not to trust anyone that calls himself pastor or church going addicts in Nigeria as a country, they are the worst vipers of all humans.

Yes Jehovah witnesses built their places of worship and they do the real charity work. In my opinion you Pentecostals are worse off than they are.

Nigerians with brain are beginning to wake up

Where did they get the money to build their places. Since you are against any form of financial contributions to the church.

sekundosekundo:



YES! the Church cannot survive without money. If you think otherwise, proof me wrong.

The first Christians relied solely on the Spirit of God. And this God, used them all to provide for one another in order to prove his love in them.



You are just a greedy person twisting the bible to justify your lust.

You can play with anything but don't play with God's word. The repercussions are grievous.

Slaveman343:
The first Christians relied solely on the Spirit of God. And this God, used them all to provide for one another in order to prove his love in them.



You are just a greedy person twisting the bible to justify your lust.

You can play with anything but don't play with God's word. The repercussions are grievous.

"God used them to provide for one another".
Those things they provided, didn't it cost them money or did they steal it?. A woman contributed in the congregation and Jesus said she gave the best offering b'cos she gave her last money. Pls can you comment on this?.

sekundosekundo:



Thanks a lot. I like it when people insult me.
Pls can you insult me more?.

This idiot thinks he is "suffering" for the sake of the gospel. Continue fooling your own head. Meanwhile you too just insulted me here.

You aren't been insulted for any gospel (that is if what they preach in your church can be called gospel) .

I insulted you for insulting me. So, you are on your own. God didn't send you to defend error and hypocrisy

sekundosekundo:


And the place you think he broke away from wasn't formed abi?.

And the best thing to do is to cause further break away? You are grasping at straws like a drowning man. See the way you are defending emptiness as if you are defending a political party? Pentecostal churches have deeply gone astray.

blazer234:


And the best thing to do is to cause further break away? You are grasping at straws like a drowning man. See the way you are defending emptiness as if you are defending a political party? Pentecostal churches have deeply gone astray.

The real you is coming out gradually. Anger and bitterness of heart in display.

Blakjewelry:
It is true, only if you are a Nigerian Christian

1 Bottle Of Odeku For You!

sekundosekundo:



Where did they get the money to build their places. Since you are against any form of financial contributions to the church.

10 percent government mandated them to spend on the day to day running of their internal affairs out of the charity donations they get, that's what they spend. Do you still you still need explanation?

blueseacats:
10 percent government mandated them to spend on the day to day running of their internal affairs out of the charity donations they get, that's what they spend. Do you still you still need explanation?

Good, theirs is called charity donation. Tithe, offering, Charity donation etc. All na the same thing. Nothing works in this life without money. Get it.

sekundosekundo:


Good, theirs is called charity donation. Tithe, offering, Charity donation etc. All na the same thing. Nothing works in this life without money. Get it.

it's obvious you are a pastor. Am not replying to change you am replying because other Nigerians are reading this and learning that they are being robbed, just know that spending more than 10% of the tithe people pay to you is daylight robbery. At least by the standards of those who brought us Christianity.

blueseacats:
it's obvious you are a pastor. Am not replying to change you am replying because other Nigerians are reading this and learning that they are being robbed, just know that spending more than 10% of the tithe people pay to you is daylight robbery. At least by the standards of those who brought us Christianity.

Lols, check my profile for better understanding of what I do for a living, if you need anything there notify me and I will supply it to you @ unbeatable price, free delivery within Lagos.

Any human, church, organisation, party, school, union, group, society, blueseacats etc without money can never move forward. Money is needed and it answereth all things. You can chose to call yours, donation, tithe, Zakat, offering, gift, pledge, seed faith etc. All na money.

sekundosekundo:


The real you is coming out gradually. Anger and bitterness of heart in display.

Lolz. Òdè wèrè tuntun. In his mind, he thinks he is being clever. He doesn't know everything he comments only further shows his emptiness. Each time he gets defeated on one point, he shifts to another. Is that what your pastor teaches you? How to be deceitful? I can now see the impact of daily tithe payment. It makes you resemble your pastor in deceit. I spit on you, empty hypocrite!

blazer234:

Lolz. Òdè wèrè tuntun. In his mind, he thinks he is being clever. He doesn't know everything he comments only further shows his emptiness. Each time he gets defeated on one point, he shifts to another. Is that what your pastor teaches you? How to be deceitful? I can now see the impact of daily tithe payment. It makes you resemble your pastor in deceit. I spit on you, empty hypocrite!

Confirmation!

Well said my Father in the Lord.
Quote me wrongly and u won't see the end of this year

because u r God abi? Dude u r a human being lyk every Ida person. U eat, sleep last, $hit & breathe lyk any oda person If u r shot or stabbed in certain parts of D body, u most likely wld die, just lyk any oda person. If u r dissected, we wld find 1 heart, 2 lungs, 2 kidneys & 1 liver, just lyk any oda person. So recover quick 4rm ur god complex. I dnt tnk God almighty is as petty as u r so if per chance, I die b4 d end of ds yr, it wld b because my tym is up, nt because I quoted u. D fear of death isn't sufficient 2 scare me 4rm airing my views & opinions because death is inevitable. VALAR MORGHULIS. All men must die. Evry person in ds world wld die 1 day, including u whether u lyk it or nt. So ur puny threats do nt faze me.

peacesamuel94:



Rockefeller believed in tithing.

Just as We have Christians who are broke(which is due to the fact that they do not practice what they claim to believe) so also we have atheists and skeptics who are also broke though they claim to be master economists.


And as regards unbelievers who are rich despite their unbelief I will say, that the law of giving and receiving is a natural law, it is possible for a poor Christian to go to heaven.(Although that's not God's plan for us) Mark Zuckerberg , bill gates, and so many other billionaires give selflessly, even more than some "so called christians" so it is only normal for them to be as wealthy as they are now.


But do not select a handful of rich unbelievers and use them as the yardstick for judging the ratio of rich christians to atheists. we have so many Christians who are wealthy just as much as we have rich unbelievers if not more.

Actually, studies hv shown dt religious nations r poorer dan nations who r less religious, D only exception being d USA.

sekundosekundo:


Confirmation!

Hhhhaaaahahah. Empty hypocrite. He has nothing to say to defend his stupid life anymore. Òdè òpònú!

highrise07:
oo ni kuure

Are u suffering from memory loss? Why are u repeating same words that caused ur medical bankruptcy?

Kpele!

olagunjumariah:

It is tithe that works for me and not holiness or righteousness. I thank God for my own case o

I don't understand you and I don't think anyone did

Great6Pack:


Are u suffering from memory loss? Why are u repeating same words that caused ur medical bankruptcy?

Kpele!

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