Musa: Shiites’ travails are foreign sponsored

By Saxone Akhaine, Northern Bureau Chief | 18 December 2016 | 2:55 am

Mallam Ibrahim Musa is the spokesman of the Islamic Movement in Nigeria (IMN). In this interview with SAXONE AKHAINE, he spoke on the need for the government to comply with the judgment of the Federal High Court, Abuja, ordering that Shiites leader, Sheikh Ibraheem El-Zakzaky and his wife to be released from detention.

How did your members receive the recent judgment of the Federal High Court ordering the government to free the leader of IMN, Sheikh Ibraheem El-Zakzaky and his wife from detention?
The Islamic Movement in Nigeria welcomes this historic judgment that has vindicated our position since the very brutal attack on our leaders, members and structures last December. It is a clear infringement on our fundamental human rights, as guaranteed by all known sane laws, as affirmed by this ruling. The judge showed a full grasp of all the issues at stake, as he succinctly captured the matter when he said he views the whole matter as that of religious intolerance, where majority Sunnah is oppressing a minority Shia. He was right on point. Instruments of governance were deployed to execute sectarian and foreign agenda at all levels. The government appeared to have adopted an official policy from the start, of demonising the Islamic Movement and its leadership. That was then used as the premise on which to justify their extermination plot.

This was evident from the farce they staged and videotaped at our Husainiyya Islamic Centre for show at NTA and other paid media outlets. It was also clear from the way and manner the military and its officers met various people and groups to contract them to smudge the Movement in order to validate the massacre. We believe the landmark judgment obtained will however, certainly impact on the numerous others presently ongoing, as well as, all other matters yet to be clarified, such as the crime of mass grave that government officials disclosed earlier. It remains to be seen how the Nigerian government is going to react to this judgment. We are however not unmindful of the penchant of this government to disregard court orders on spurious excuses.

The Kaduna State Government has proscribed your Movement and also described the group as insurgents, based on the recent White Paper that was released. What is your reaction on these issues?
Firstly the Islamic Movement in Nigeria rejects in its entirety the contents of the said White Paper. The White Paper was released on the 5th of December 2016, but backdated to the month of August 2016. This is to give retroactive justification to its hostile actions against the IMN since the December 12, 2015. Also on October 7, 2016, the Kaduna State government without releasing the White Paper on the report of the said Judicial Commission of Inquiry purportedly banned the Islamic Movement in Nigeria, relying on the same report of the Judicial Commission of Inquiry, which it set up in January 2016 and whose report it released on the December 5, 2016. I hope you noticed the discrepancies in the actions of the state government. Still on the White Paper, its release is a belated and malicious response to the judgment of the Federal High Court, Abuja, delivered on Friday December 2, 2016, wherein the Hon. Justice Gabriel Kolawole ordered the release of our leader Sheikh Ibraheem Zakzaky within a period of 45 days from the date of judgment, the building of a new house for him and his family and the payment of N50million compensation for the unconstitutional and illegal detention of his wife and himself, since the 14th of December, 2016.

Now back to the Governors labeling of IMN as an insurgent group; it is shameful that the Kaduna State government would label the IMN an insurgent group when we have not taken up arms against the country, even in the face of extreme provocation and persecution by the government. It is also not surprising that the Kaduna State government will label the IMN an insurgent group that must be demonised, as it needs to fight the Movement to shore up its non performance in terms of governance. It is also scandalous that the Kaduna State government adopted the attitude of muted trumpet and turned a blind eye to the finding by its own Judicial Commission of inquiry that reported that the widely held belief that the Islamic Movement was stockpiling weapons was not substantiated. Insurgents are not labelled; rather their actions describe them as such. However, in our own case its El-rufai that is doing the labelling not our actions.

The Islamic group was also said not to have respect for constituted authorities in Nigeria, infringing on the rights of other Nigerians while on procession and also bearing arms?
All these are charges advanced by our detractors in government, trying to give us a bad name in order to hang us. The problem they are having in all these charges is that our actions are contrary to what they
always project us to be. When they say we don’t respect constituted authority, if it is true, why do we use peaceful and legal means available to us after the Zaria massacre. Let them point to a group in this country and beyond where over a thousand of its members were killed, its leader incarcerated, its properties destroyed, but it still keeps its cool and
resorted to legal means, as a way of getting justice. I challenge them to point at a single action that IMN took that is a flagrant disregard to constituted authority.

The procession they always point to is always in order. Nowhere is it said that police permit must be obtained before any procession. So, where have we erred? As for inconveniencing others during our processions, but that is normal with any public procession. Take a close look at any procession in other cities of the world on TV, people are put to stress, but they don’t complain because they know its the right of the protesters, and it is not a daily affair. So, what’s the fuss about our procession? On the accusation that we carry arms, if that is the case, where were our arms when the Army descended heavily upon us last December? The fact that over 1000 of our members were gunned down by the Army, while we didn’t kill any soldier is enough to establish that we don’t carry arms. Look at the real insurgent groups that straddle the landscape of this country, how many were killed by the Army, and how many soldiers did the insurgents kill? Look, IMN is not a new Movement, we have been around for almost four decades, we have never been identified with arms, so what are our oppressors trying to say?

There is also the allegation that the Islamic Movement enjoys support from foreign governments, especially Iran, in propagating the course of the Shiites movement in Nigeria and to also undermine Nigerian Government. To what extent is that true?
There is no iota of truth in the allegation. Religion is something of belief; it is inconceivable that you must be sponsored to follow a religion. The fact that we identify ourselves with Islamic Republic of Iran is not something wrong or new to our clime. Doesn’t the Izala group associate itself with Saudi Arabia? Doesn’t the Dariqa group identify themselves with Morrocco and Senegal? Don’t Christians identify themselves with England and Rome? The fact that origins of our two major religions are foreign makes it necessary to identify with the origins. There is nothing new in that. And if you said we are being financed by Iran, point to any project of IMN that is beyond its capability. We don’t have multi-million dollar projects that we have executed or are executing. Even the Husainiyya Islamic centre that Governor Elrufai destroyed was not running into hundreds of millions on Naira. In fact, the soldiers stole from the large boxes wherein donations by members were kept.

Are there any other underlying factors responsible for the face-off between El-Rufai’s Government and the IMN, which are not known to ordinary people and is making the crisis intense?
We are also baffled by the action of Governor El-rufai, because he knew our leader Sheikh Zakzaky. His last visit to him was when Jonathan’s administration killed his three children in 2014. He even posted in his tweet, describing what the government of that day did as genocidal. Now, as fate will have it, he is in charge of the state, not only were three other children of the Sheikh killed, but over 1000 of his followers were murdered under his watch, with some of them buried in mass grave. However, we believe the operation to exterminate IMN is foreign sponsored and has for long been on the offing, only that previous governments have not cooperated with the foreign governments that want to wipe out the IMN. But this administration is keen on carrying out this brutal operation to its logical conclusion. What they, however, forgot is that the late dictator, Gen. Abacha tried to annihilate the Movement in 1996, but Allah intervened, and he was gone for good. We believe since we are unjustly oppressed this time around, Allah will definitely intervene, and what happened to us and is still happening will be history. We will come out victorious insha Allah.

Source: http://guardian.ng/saturday-magazine/cover/musa-shiites-travails-are-foreign-sponsored-allah-will-intervene/

CC: Seun Lalasticlala

Isn't this a good interview, Seun Lalasticlala and mynd44? Looks like major arguments have been refuted.

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crosbreaka:
Musa: Shiites’ travails are foreign sponsored

By Saxone Akhaine, Northern Bureau Chief | 18 December 2016 | 2:55 am

Mallam Ibrahim Musa is the spokesman of the Islamic Movement in Nigeria (IMN). In this interview with SAXONE AKHAINE, he spoke on the need for the government to comply with the judgment of the Federal High Court, Abuja, ordering that Shiites leader, Sheikh Ibraheem El-Zakzaky and his wife to be released from detention.

How did your members receive the recent judgment of the Federal High Court ordering the government to free the leader of IMN, Sheikh Ibraheem El-Zakzaky and his wife from detention?
The Islamic Movement in Nigeria welcomes this historic judgment that has vindicated our position since the very brutal attack on our leaders, members and structures last December. It is a clear infringement on our fundamental human rights, as guaranteed by all known sane laws, as affirmed by this ruling. The judge showed a full grasp of all the issues at stake, as he succinctly captured the matter when he said he views the whole matter as that of religious intolerance, where majority Sunnah is oppressing a minority Shia. He was right on point. Instruments of governance were deployed to execute sectarian and foreign agenda at all levels. The government appeared to have adopted an official policy from the start, of demonising the Islamic Movement and its leadership. That was then used as the premise on which to justify their extermination plot.

This was evident from the farce they staged and videotaped at our Husainiyya Islamic Centre for show at NTA and other paid media outlets. It was also clear from the way and manner the military and its officers met various people and groups to contract them to smudge the Movement in order to validate the massacre. We believe the landmark judgment obtained will however, certainly impact on the numerous others presently ongoing, as well as, all other matters yet to be clarified, such as the crime of mass grave that government officials disclosed earlier. It remains to be seen how the Nigerian government is going to react to this judgment. We are however not unmindful of the penchant of this government to disregard court orders on spurious excuses.

The Kaduna State Government has proscribed your Movement and also described the group as insurgents, based on the recent White Paper that was released. What is your reaction on these issues?
Firstly the Islamic Movement in Nigeria rejects in its entirety the contents of the said White Paper. The White Paper was released on the 5th of December 2016, but backdated to the month of August 2016. This is to give retroactive justification to its hostile actions against the IMN since the December 12, 2015. Also on October 7, 2016, the Kaduna State government without releasing the White Paper on the report of the said Judicial Commission of Inquiry purportedly banned the Islamic Movement in Nigeria, relying on the same report of the Judicial Commission of Inquiry, which it set up in January 2016 and whose report it released on the December 5, 2016. I hope you noticed the discrepancies in the actions of the state government. Still on the White Paper, its release is a belated and malicious response to the judgment of the Federal High Court, Abuja, delivered on Friday December 2, 2016, wherein the Hon. Justice Gabriel Kolawole ordered the release of our leader Sheikh Ibraheem Zakzaky within a period of 45 days from the date of judgment, the building of a new house for him and his family and the payment of N50million compensation for the unconstitutional and illegal detention of his wife and himself, since the 14th of December, 2016.

Now back to the Governors labeling of IMN as an insurgent group; it is shameful that the Kaduna State government would label the IMN an insurgent group when we have not taken up arms against the country, even in the face of extreme provocation and persecution by the government. It is also not surprising that the Kaduna State government will label the IMN an insurgent group that must be demonised, as it needs to fight the Movement to shore up its non performance in terms of governance. It is also scandalous that the Kaduna State government adopted the attitude of muted trumpet and turned a blind eye to the finding by its own Judicial Commission of inquiry that reported that the widely held belief that the Islamic Movement was stockpiling weapons was not substantiated. Insurgents are not labelled; rather their actions describe them as such. However, in our own case its El-rufai that is doing the labelling not our actions.

The Islamic group was also said not to have respect for constituted authorities in Nigeria, infringing on the rights of other Nigerians while on procession and also bearing arms?
All these are charges advanced by our detractors in government, trying to give us a bad name in order to hang us. The problem they are having in all these charges is that our actions are contrary to what they
always project us to be. When they say we don’t respect constituted authority, if it is true, why do we use peaceful and legal means available to us after the Zaria massacre. Let them point to a group in this country and beyond where over a thousand of its members were killed, its leader incarcerated, its properties destroyed, but it still keeps its cool and
resorted to legal means, as a way of getting justice. I challenge them to point at a single action that IMN took that is a flagrant disregard to constituted authority.

The procession they always point to is always in order. Nowhere is it said that police permit must be obtained before any procession. So, where have we erred? As for inconveniencing others during our processions, but that is normal with any public procession. Take a close look at any procession in other cities of the world on TV, people are put to stress, but they don’t complain because they know its the right of the protesters, and it is not a daily affair. So, what’s the fuss about our procession? On the accusation that we carry arms, if that is the case, where were our arms when the Army descended heavily upon us last December? The fact that over 1000 of our members were gunned down by the Army, while we didn’t kill any soldier is enough to establish that we don’t carry arms. Look at the real insurgent groups that straddle the landscape of this country, how many were killed by the Army, and how many soldiers did the insurgents kill? Look, IMN is not a new Movement, we have been around for almost four decades, we have never been identified with arms, so what are our oppressors trying to say?

There is also the allegation that the Islamic Movement enjoys support from foreign governments, especially Iran, in propagating the course of the Shiites movement in Nigeria and to also undermine Nigerian Government. To what extent is that true?
There is no iota of truth in the allegation. Religion is something of belief; it is inconceivable that you must be sponsored to follow a religion. The fact that we identify ourselves with Islamic Republic of Iran is not something wrong or new to our clime. Doesn’t the Izala group associate itself with Saudi Arabia? Doesn’t the Dariqa group identify themselves with Morrocco and Senegal? Don’t Christians identify themselves with England and Rome? The fact that origins of our two major religions are foreign makes it necessary to identify with the origins. There is nothing new in that. And if you said we are being financed by Iran, point to any project of IMN that is beyond its capability. We don’t have multi-million dollar projects that we have executed or are executing. Even the Husainiyya Islamic centre that Governor Elrufai destroyed was not running into hundreds of millions on Naira. In fact, the soldiers stole from the large boxes wherein donations by members were kept.

Are there any other underlying factors responsible for the face-off between El-Rufai’s Government and the IMN, which are not known to ordinary people and is making the crisis intense?
We are also baffled by the action of Governor El-rufai, because he knew our leader Sheikh Zakzaky. His last visit to him was when Jonathan’s administration killed his three children in 2014. He even posted in his tweet, describing what the government of that day did as genocidal. Now, as fate will have it, he is in charge of the state, not only were three other children of the Sheikh killed, but over 1000 of his followers were murdered under his watch, with some of them buried in mass grave. However, we believe the operation to exterminate IMN is foreign sponsored and has for long been on the offing, only that previous governments have not cooperated with the foreign governments that want to wipe out the IMN. But this administration is keen on carrying out this brutal operation to its logical conclusion. What they, however, forgot is that the late dictator, Gen. Abacha tried to annihilate the Movement in 1996, but Allah intervened, and he was gone for good. We believe since we are unjustly oppressed this time around, Allah will definitely intervene, and what happened to us and is still happening will be history. We will come out victorious insha Allah.

Source: http://guardian.ng/saturday-magazine/cover/musa-shiites-travails-are-foreign-sponsored-allah-will-intervene/

CC: Seun Lalasticlala

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Trash and Taqiya by the declared insurgent group.

FriendChoice:
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Trash and Taqiya by the declared insurgent group.

I just wish there is a way we can block someone completely so that we don't see their posts at all. I will have gladly do that to you!
I have never seen someone who celebrate massacre like you.

FriendChoice:
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Trash and Taqiya by the declared insurgent group.

with an open mind have read what He wrote but With what you just did, lawd am getting weary of you sunni guys, you guys got no chill mehn.

nature2abdul:

I just wish there is a way we can block someone completely so that we don't see their posts at all. I will have gladly do that to you!
I have never seen someone who celebrate massacre like you.

I don't have much to say. I will only advise you to come out tomorrow if you're one of them and block the chief of army staff convoy. Then look into his eyes and shout road block.

But if you're not one of them, why not join them to block the chief of army staff in solidarity.

If you cannot do any of the aforementioned, then shut the red sense organ in your bucal cavity.

masseratti:
with an open mind have read what He wrote but With what you just did, lawd am getting weary of you sunni guys, you guys got no chill mehn.

If you like call me terrorist not even sunni guys.
You (Some Christian) and shites are the same. So I expect this dust bin from you. You can only be thier defender when you join them in the street not here on Nairaland.

FriendChoice:


I don't have much to say. I will only advise you to come out tomorrow if you're one of them and block the chief of army staff convoy. Then look into his eyes and shout road block.

But if you're not one of them, why not join them to block the chief of army staff in solidarity.

If you cannot do any of the aforementioned, then shut the red sense organ in your bucal cavity.

Massacre is not the punishment for this offence.
But for those who have murder instinct can justify it the way they like.
Note that It is not in my principles to insult anyone.

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nature2abdul:

Massacre is not the punishment for this offence.
But for those who have murder instinct can justify it the way they like.
Note that It is not in my principles to insult anyone.

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Yeah Assassination of chief of army staff should be allowed. No insult in my post either.

FriendChoice:


If you like call me terrorist not even sunni guys.
You (Some Christian) and shites are the same. So I expect this dust bin from you. You can only be thier defender when you join them in the street not here on Nairaland.

like i care what you call me, heck i could be a Martian for all you care, the hatred you guys have in your mind is pathetic. Even if its the president of the federal republic that is coming, will the hundreds of men and women i see doing jumat prayers on many major roads in the country beside mosques move an inch? your hate fill heart against another Muslim is pathetic,you guys are just bunch of hyprocites.

FriendChoice:


If you like call me terrorist not even sunni guys.
You (Some Christian) and shites are the same. So I expect this dust bin from you. You can only be thier defender when you join them in the street not here on Nairaland.

is el rufai a christian? he paid a condolence visit to Zakzaky before the election that brought him into power. after the elections, the rest is history. the same Zakzaky he was bowing for was loaded into a wheelbarrow.

masseratti:
like i care what you call me, heck i could be a Martian for all you care, the hatred you guys have in your mind is pathetic. Even if its the president of the federal republic that is coming, will the hundreds of men and women i see doing jumat prayers on many major roads in the country beside mosques move an inch? your hate fill heart against another Muslim is pathetic,you guys are just bunch of hyprocites.

Who is more Hippocrates than who claim to be defender of some so called Muslims running parallel government. And inside him he has a deep hatred to Islam. Youre only defending them because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. You're with the minority that will spoil Islam. Shites are your brothers. So all this your mouth diarrhoea wont help, come out in solidarity protest with them then we will take you serious.

crosbreaka:


is el rufai a christian? he paid a condolence visit to Zakzaky before the election that brought him into power. after the elections, the rest is history. the same Zakzaky he was bowing for was loaded into a wheelbarrow.

And so. That doesn't mean he should be allowed to run parallel government of contract from Iran.

Gen. Jafaru Isah APC presidential aspirant is Buhari right hand man. Buhari look for his support. But now Buhari dump him because he collected arms cash from Dasuki. With or without zazzaki vote El-rufai will win.

FriendChoice:
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Yeah Assassination of chief of army staff should be allowed. No insult in my post either.

you still believe that allegation? people who were blocking road for a religious procession with their women and children would have been better prepared for an assassination than carrying sticks, stones, catapults, and machetes facing heavily armed soldiers.

so it is no longer road block and disregard for constituted authorities? seem those allegations have well been answered in the interview and the charges dispelled. so you are now going back in time to bring the "weightier" allegation which even the army is no longer talking about after the dust settled and everything became clear for all to see.

FriendChoice:


And so. That doesn't mean he should be allowed to run parallel government of contract from Iran.

Gen. Jafaru Isah APC presidential aspirant is Buhari right hand man. Buhari look for his support. But now Buhari dump him because he collected arms cash from Dasuki. With or without zazzaki vote El-rufai will win.

ok. so el rufai only knew about "parallel government" after election?

abeg, we are confused. which allegation is it that justifies killing over 300 people? is it "assassination" or road block, or parallel government, or state within a state, or they are not muslims, or what exactly?

FriendChoice:


Who is more Hippocrates than who claim to be defender of some so called Muslims running parallel government. And inside him he has a deep hatred to Islam. Youre only defending them because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. You're with the minority that will spoil Islam. Shites are your brothers. So all this your mouth diarrhoea wont help, come out in solidarity protest with them then we will take you serious.

lol.... am not like you that look for an imaginary enemy, the only enemy have got is the devil, no one else is my enemy because am not at war with anyone or anything. I will say the same thing to sango worshippers, btw you said they constitute parallel government, how? with what? the Army General should go into a Yoruba city or town when oro procession is going on, are Shia the only people that do procession? don't Sunnis block roads during Eid?

are they holding different courts? Ofcourse you can't take a shia to a sunni sharia court the laws they believe in are different.

Onyocha:


you still believe that allegation? people who were blocking road for a religious procession with their women and children would have been better prepared for an assassination than carrying sticks, stones, catapults, and machetes facing heavily armed soldiers.

so it is no longer road block and disregard for constituted authorities? seem those allegations have well been answered in the interview and the charges dispelled. so you are now going back in time to bring the "weightier" allegation which even the army is no longer talking about after the dust settled and everything became clear for all to see.

Onyocha:


ok. so el rufai only knew about "parallel government" after election?

abeg, we are confused. which allegation is it that justifies killing over 300 people? is it "assassination" or road block, or parallel government, or state within a state, or they are not muslims, or what exactly?

All those allegations are there. All you listed. Should Burutai agree to them and change his way then what happen in Lebanon will happen in Nigeria.

Shites terrorist group of Lebanon by the name Hezbollah start like this and they are now stronger than the government of Lebanon. Hezbollah has to be contacted before the Lebanese government can take some decisions.

masseratti:
lol.... am not like you that look for an imaginary enemy, the only enemy have got is the devil, no one else is my enemy because am not at war with anyone or anything. I will say the same thing to sango worshippers, btw you said they constitute parallel government, how? with what? the Army General should go into a Yoruba city or town when oro procession is going on, are Shia the only people that do procession? don't Sunnis block roads during Eid?

are they holding different courts? Ofcourse you can't take a shia to a sunni sharia court the laws they believe in are different.

We are not talking of Sharia court here but Nigerian General Law. Concerning parallel government ask people of gyellesu in Zaria of Kaduna State. The law does not apply in gyallesu, even police can do nothing in gyellesu.

Any event you want to hold, whether blocking road or otherwise the authority should know. That Eid you see, Nigerian Police give protection in the street. But you cannot block a major high way for days not minutes without permission.


Shut down primary schools for days because of your event. Do you know primary school students are forced to stay at home during those days because shites are sleeping in their classes. ?

IMN is not even a registered organization. Their shrine in Gyellesu was built illegally with out any evidence of land ownership.

FriendChoice:


All those allegations are there. All you listed. Should Burutai agree to them and change his way then what happen in Lebanon will happen in Nigeria.

Shites terrorist group of Lebanon by the name Hezbollah start like this and they are now stronger than the government of Lebanon. Hezbollah has to be contacted before the Lebanese government can take some decisions.

so good, those allegations should be taken to court and proved and let the law take its course.

there is no parallel between hezbollah and the IMN aside being that they both share the same Shia belief. i have posted an analysis before in one of the threads. besides, your scaremongering is awful. hezbollah is not a parallel government in lebanon. it is part of the lebanese government. it has ministers in the lebanese government and members in the lebanese parliament. they are part of the decision making because they are voted for in lebanon elections. hezbollah is a political party. the Shiites in lebanon are majority or the biggest in terms of numbers. voting is a right.

as for its military wing, hezbollah is fighting your isis sunni heroes in syria. hezbollah operations are in sync with the syrian and lebanese armies. they formed a military resistance wing because the lebanese army is under-equipped. the west would not sell them weapons to fight israeli occupation. read the history of hezbollah on wiki. they were formed after israeli tanks rolled into beirut in 1982. we do not have israel as a neighbor in Nigeria. no foreign occupation. we do not have a weak army. there is no need for a resistance unit of IMN or any other movement or political party.

your next argument against Shiites would be the houthis. lets see your arguments.

FriendChoice:


We are not talking of Sharia court here but Nigerian General Law. Concerning parallel government ask people of gyellesu in Zaria of Kaduna State. The law does not apply in gyallesu, even police can do nothing in gyellesu.

Any event you want to hold, whether blocking road or otherwise the authority should know. That Eid you see, Nigerian Police give protection in the street. But you cannot block a major high way for days not minutes without permission.


Shut down primary schools for days because of your event. Do you know primary school students are forced to stay at home during those days because shites are sleeping in their classes. ?

IMN is not even a registered organization. Their shrine in Gyellesu was built illegally with out any evidence of land ownership.

arguments about processions and road blocking have been thoroughly answered by the interviewee in the op.

as for the rest, all those can be well coordinated and planned. those civil disturbances, if they can be termed such, can be sorted out peacefully and without any bloodshed.

FriendChoice:


We are not talking of Sharia court here but Nigerian General Law. Concerning parallel government ask people of gyellesu in Zaria of Kaduna State. The law does not apply in gyallesu, even police can do nothing in gyellesu.

Any event you want to hold, whether blocking road or otherwise the authority should know. That Eid you see, Nigerian Police give protection in the street. But you cannot block a major high way for days not minutes without permission.


Shut down primary schools for days because of your event. Do you know primary school students are forced to stay at home during those days because shites are sleeping in their classes. ?

IMN is not even a registered organization. Their shrine in Gyellesu was built illegally with out any evidence of land ownership.

In ikorodu when oro is declared no child goes to school and most highways are shut, point is in as much as this things are common in different part of Nigeria, people did not say they are forming parallel government, the army could have handled the situation differently, not going back next day killing and shooting everything on site.

Onyocha:


so good, those allegations should be taken to court and proved and let the law take its course.

there is no parallel between hezbollah and the IMN aside being that they both share the same Shia belief. i have posted an analysis before in one of the threads. besides, your scaremongering is awful. hezbollah is not a parallel government in lebanon. it is part of the lebanese government. it has ministers in the lebanese government and members in the lebanese parliament. they are part of the decision making because they are voted for in lebanon elections. hezbollah is a political party. the Shiites in lebanon are majority or the biggest in terms of numbers. voting is a right.

as for its military wing, hezbollah is fighting your isis sunni heroes in syria. hezbollah operations are in sync with the syrian and lebanese armies. they formed a military resistance wing because the lebanese army is under-equipped. the west would not sell them weapons to fight israeli occupation. read the history of hezbollah on wiki. they were formed after israeli tanks rolled into beirut in 1982. we do not have israel as a neighbor in Nigeria. no foreign occupation. we do not have a weak army. there is no need for a resistance unit of IMN or any other movement or political party.

your next argument against Shiites would be the houthis. lets see your arguments.

Thank God you prove my point. The government of Lebanon can do nothing without hesboallah. And we will not allow it here in Nigeria by IMN.

it emerged with the help of Iran during the Israeli occupation of Lebanon in the early 1980s, though its ideological roots stretch back to the Shia Islamic revival in Lebanon in the 1960s and '70s.
After Israel withdrew in 2000, Hezbollah resisted pressure to disarm and continued to strengthen its military wing, the Islamic Resistance. In some ways, its capabilities now exceed those of the Lebanese army, its considerable firepower used against Israel in the 2006 war.
The group also gradually became a key power broker in Lebanon's political system, and has effectively gained veto power in the cabinet.
Hezbollah has been accused of carrying out a string of bombings and plots against Jewish and Israeli targets and is designated a terrorist organisation by Western states, Israel, Gulf Arab countries and the Arab League.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-10814698

Iran Contract will not work here

masseratti:
In ikorodu when oro is declared no child goes to school and most highways are shut, point is in as much as this things are common in different part of Nigeria, people did not say they are forming parallel government, the army could have handled the situation differently, not going back next day killing and shooting everything on site.

If it can be allowed in your place. It will not be allowed here especially by unregistered group. And it's not the only reason. I have listed many in my previous post. Thousand day for the thief one day 4 d owner. If shites will attack you in gyellesu nothing will happen not even police can arrest him.

Onyocha:


arguments about processions and road blocking have been thoroughly answered by the interviewee in the op.

as for the rest, all those can be well coordinated and planned. those civil disturbances, if they can be termed such, can be sorted out peacefully and without any bloodshed.

Peacefully is for Burutai to go back from that road? Because someone who is bigger than the constitution is holding a street walk. Am not interested in the Op answers. So that you mentioned, to me and to Nigeria have not been answered. When arrangements for the group to appear before the court is concluded, they will answer the allegations there

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Thank God you prove my point. The government of Lebanon can do nothing without hesboallah. And we will not allow it here in Nigeria by IMN.

it does not prove your point at all. it debunks your scaremongering. if they are part of the government, then how are they doing anything wrong aside from exercising their democratic rights? they contest and win elections. get into parliament and government. you have a chance not to allow it in Nigeria by voting. Nigeria is a democratic and secular state. IMN is neither in government nor parliament, assuming they even have the numbers to reach there, they are still not there. as Nigerian citizens, if they choose to democratically and peacefully use their vote, you cannot do anything about it. Nigeria is not Saudi. let us watch and see how el rufai will return as governor in 2019 without Shia and Christian votes.

there are many differences between lebanon and Nigeria. lebanon is parliamentary, and Nigeria is presidential. lebanon has a sectarian quota system where the different religious groups share power. Nigeria is a secular country where there is no formal power sharing agreement along religious lines.

Iran Contract will not work here

ok...but Saudi (Izala) contract will work, fa?

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Peacefully is for Burutai to go back from that road? Because someone who is bigger than the constitution is holding a street walk. Am not interested in the Op answers. So that you mentioned, to me and to Nigeria have not been answered. When arrangements for the group to appear before the court is concluded, they will answer the allegations there

you really are not getting it. any civil disturbance they are causing is not justified. no one is saying they should block road. and that even goes for everyone including Christians and Sunnis and traditional worshipers. there are times traditional Yoruba worshipers restrict movement when they are carrying out their rites. they impose curfew on neighborhoods when their masquerades come out at night. do you know that? no one is justifying such disturbances which are civil. all many are saying is that bloodshed is not justified for such offenses.

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it does not prove your point at all. it debunks your scaremongering. if they are part of the government, then how are they doing anything wrong aside from exercising their democratic rights? they contest and win elections. get into parliament and government. you have a chance not to allow it in Nigeria by voting. Nigeria is a democratic and secular state. IMN is neither in government nor parliament, assuming they even have the numbers to reach there, they are not there. as Nigerian citizens, if they choose to democratically and peacefully use their vote, you cannot do anything about it. Nigeria is not Saudi. let us watch and see how el rufai will return as governor in 2019 without Shia and Christian votes.



ok...but Saudi contract will work, fa?

But it prove your point ko? Group created by Iran in another country and the group is now powerful than Lebanon army.

I have no problem with Christians because most of them don't behave like shites.. They are only on social media to defend them. Again majority of shites don't vote in country like Nigeria. So whether they vote or not, it will not stop El-rufai to win if Kaduna Muslim vote for him

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But it prove your point ko? Group created by Iran in another country and the group is now powerful than Lebanon army.

that is why countries banning the sale of weapons to the lebanese army or state armies should allow them to have sophisticated weapons. this same lebanese military you are crying for is in bed with hezbollah. go to their wiki page again, and read how they do not even have an air force and find out why they lack an air force unit. hezbollah in lebanon in fighting israeli occupation is similar to the JTF in bornu fighting boko haram terrorists. they work with the national army.

I have no problem with Christians because most of them don't behave like shites.. They are only on social media to defend them. Again majority of shites don't vote in country like Nigeria. So whether they vote or not, it will not stop El-rufai to win if Kaduna Muslim vote for him

your problem is sectarianism. it is bad.

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you really are not getting it. any civil disturbance they are causing is not justified. no one is saying they should block road. and that even goes for everyone including Christians and Sunnis and traditional worshipers. there are times traditional Yoruba worshipers restrict movement when they are carrying out their rites. they impose curfew on neighborhoods when their masquerades come out at night. do you know that? no one is justifying such disturbances which are civil. all many are saying is that bloodshed is not justified for such offenses.

May be majority of Yoruba are in support of it. But can Yoruba do this in the north? Or can Shites of the north impose such curfew in the south and be allowed to scout free. Shites also attack innocent people in their villa at gyellesu of Kaduna state and nothing can be done.
Do you know my problem?

For the past 20 years they have been doing so and you people see no wrong in it, till now when the government is push to the wall. When you people comment you don't see fault of shites.

They block a sitting governor in Kaduna state, they block emir of Kano convoy. Talkles of civilians like me. Is this not human right violation? Where is amnesty? No where to be found. After 20 years of human right abuse nothing has been done.


Now they went to court for zazzaki to be released. Now they recognized authority but when they block Burutai, they said zazzaki is the supreme court that they will only obey.

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that is why countries banning the sale of weapons to the lebanese army or state armies should allow them to have sophisticated weapons. this same lebanese military you are crying for is in bed with hezbollah. go to their wiki page again, and read how they do not even have an air force and find out why they lack an air force unit. hezbollah in lebanon in fighting israeli occupation is similar to the JTF in bornu fighting boko haram terrorists. they work with the national army.

It's not the same. Yusuf leader of Boko Haram was appointed into Borno government, when strip from his position what happen?

Borno JTF are under Nigerian control. Some are even recruited into the army as Nigerian Army not JTF army. Who found JTF in Nigeria? Federal Government unlike in Lebanon it's iran

your problem is sectarianism. it is bad.

No.

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It's not the same. Yusuf leader of Boko Haram was appointed into Borno government, when strip from his position what happen?

Borno JTF are under Nigerian control. Some are even recruited into the army as Nigerian Army not JTF army. Who found JTF in Nigeria? Federal Government unlike in Lebanon it's iran

No.

for iran not to move in to help their coreligionists, the lebanese army should be strengthened and allowed to have the needed weapons to defend its territory. they are not allowed to. they cannot even accept military aid from a willing donor like iran or buy weapons from russia, the same iran helping hezbollah. do you think the lebanese army can come out to form a group to fight an opponent that is stronger internationally? what i am telling you is the geopolitical landscapes in Nigeria and Lebanon are worlds apart.

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for iran not to move in to help their coreligionists, the lebanese army should be strengthened and allowed to have the needed weapons to defend its territory. they are not allowed to. they cannot even accept military aid from a willing donor like iran or buy weapons from russia, the same iran helping hezbollah. do you think the lebanese army can come out to form a group to fight an opponent that is stronger internationally? what i am telling you is the geopolitical landscapes in Nigeria and Lebanon are worlds apart.

That's the advantage Iran has taken in pushing it agenda. Hezbollah is form by Iran. Hezbollah will listen to Iran. Indirectly Iran is ruling Lebanon. IMN are created by Iran. Why should we be fooled.

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That's the advantage Iran has taken in pushing it agenda. Hezbollah is form by Iran. Hezbollah will listen to Iran. Indirectly Iran is ruling Lebanon. IMN are created by Iran. Why should we be fooled.

You can't say hezbollah was formed by Iran when its founders are Lebanese nationals. Likewise IMN. Likewise you can't say Izala is formed by Saudis or the Catholic archdiocese is formed by Italy or the Vatican or the Anglican Church was formed in Nigeria by the queen. Religious patronage of the spiritual home or power is true for every group. None of these religions are indigenous. That doesn't discredit the fact they are citizens. Else we should only identify with traditional religions. Let's go back to our roots.