winie:

According to Rom:5:1 a christian that is believes that Jesus is lord and alive is justified by faith. This means that God sees us as sinless. This is an awesome truth. i know that many may find it hard to believe, but its true. We are no longer under the curse of sin.

Let's suppose a Christian is having sex with his best friend's wife right now. Does God still see him as sinless?

According to Rom:5:1 a christian that is believes that Jesus is lord and alive is justified by faith. This means that God sees us as sinless. This is an awesome truth. i
know that many may find it hard to believe, but its true. We are no longer under the curse of sin.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness.

Seun:

How can a "sinless" Christian commit a sin? If yu are "sinless", then obviously there is no sin to confess.

shahan:

@Seun,

Good question. However, let's understand what the Bible actually says about the position of Christians; and I'll delineate this into 3:

1. The Justification of the Believer.
When someone believes on the Lord Jesus Christ, God justifies that person based on the value of the precious sacrifice of His Son [Rom. 3:24 - "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus[/color]"]. What this means is, God sees that person standing before Him in the value of the redemption in Christ, rather than on their own merits.

There is a difference between man's justification and divine justification. Human justification is of no value before God - "[color=#770077]But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?. . . And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." [Luke 10:29 & 16:15]. Not even the patriarch Abraham could be justified before God if it were a matter of human evaluation: "For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God." [Rom 4:2].

The justification based on the value of Jesus' redeeming grace sets the believer as having no fault upon him or her, and properly fitted to be presented in God's presence. "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God" - [see 1 Cor. 6:11].

2. The Experience of Divine Justification.
In practical daily experiences and challenges, we are called to a life of faith in the same Jesus in whom we are justified, in dependence upon the Holy Spirit. We face the same temptations as everyone else; we have the same weaknesses as others; we are daily challenged by situations calling for informed decisions. . . and like many others, Christians actually have failures like them. However, the fact of the divine justification upon us points out two things:

(a) it does not suppose that we can justify any sin just because of God's grace:
"But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners,
is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid" (Gal. 2:17);

(b) it does mean that with honest hearts we can receive grace to walk right:
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us
from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9).

Although we face challenges of life like everyone else, the believer's deepest desire is to live in pursuit of righteousness by the power of the Holy Spirit.

3. The Destination of the Justified.
God's justification offers the believer a solid guarantee for the future when Jesus returns. "Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified" (Rom. 8:30). People may feel like failures in their experiences; but the basis of our justification is the work of God's Son, and not man's. So, the guarantee is to all who believe:

"What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us" - (Rom 8:31-34).

A justified believer's desire is not to excuse sin; but 1 John 1:9 offers a basis of assurance that the believer who seeks forgiveness will receive it from God, provided the seeker is honest enough to turn from sin.

winie:

According to Rom:5:1 a christian that is believes that Jesus is lord and alive is justified by faith. This means that God sees us as sinless. This is an awesome truth. i know that many may find it hard to believe, but its true. We are no longer under the curse of sin.

What is a "sinless" christian. There is no such thing. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

I believe what the gentleman is trying to say is that God does not remember past sins after we come to repentence.

When we begin living for Christ, we have a NEW nature, the nature of God. So it's not that we don't sin, but we should come to a place where we do not HABITUALLY sin.

Christianity is a practice, not a magical tranformation. But we have God's Holy Spirit who helps us become transformed.

It means then that if before I used to be a thief, after knowing Christ, I might steal again, but immediately afterwards I feel so bad for doing it, I correct my behaviour. That's the difference.
Once we have the nature of God, we should be convicted of sin, learn to hear his voice and correct our behaviours to become more like Him.

How can a "sinless" Christian commit a sin? If you are "sinless", then obviously there is no sin to confess.

MP007:

There is one thing to say to WINI, u are a fool a very big fool, quote 10 passages of the bible to support your claim, isnt it the same bible that states that our so-called holliness is like rags before the lord, and that its only by grace? once again , u are a fool.God blesss u !

Aproko:

_{for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God!! how then are we sinless?}

davidylan:

by the cleansing with the blood of the lamb, the sinless one.

davidylan:

by the cleansing with the blood of the lamb, the sinless one.

otuwe:

davidylan link=topic=35595.msg1309604#msg1309604 date=1184950783:

by the cleansing with the blood of the lamb, the sinless one.

u wish!!!