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Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by JackBizzle: 8:28pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: So this eternal being just existed? Why assume that there is only one eternal being? Why also assume that such a being cannot die? For to live is to die. There is no life without death. If you never die, you were never alive in the first place. Logically, this eternal mind being could never be alive 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:29pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
jonbellion: ok 1 Like |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:49pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
JackBizzle: Yup JackBizzle: This is complex , I can't explain it perfectly . But I can give you a clue . God is not a three dimensional being for you to assume more than one eternal being . And God exists as three consubstantial hypostases (one being ) from a Christian perspective . And I accept this by faith . From our three dimensional world ,we can say God exists as three persons . I don't know how that looks like in heaven (God's realm ) . And I don't know how angels look like in heaven, I can't even decipher that . Everything was explained to us using anthropomorphism . And when they appear in our three dimensional world , they take three dimensional forms . And we call this a theophany . JackBizzle: Death is a necessity in the material world . We are finite beings - limited and susceptible to change . We live and die because we are finite . God is immutable - changeless . Death is a kind of change thus logically God as an immutable being cannot die . 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by JackBizzle: 9:43pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Such nonsense. Did you really think you were making any sense? You clearly stated that you have no idea about the realm or God you are talking about, yet you went on to explain it to me? Can you see why it is silly to try and explain things you have never observed? 11 Likes 1 Share |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:15pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
JackBizzle: I'm saying that God could be 5 , 6 , 100 , 100 000 consubstantial hypostases existing as one being . But as a christian , I accept that God is 3 consubstantial hypostases by faith . And I said I can't explain it you perfectly considering how you struggle to understand even the simplest explanations And stop making idiotic comments if you can't grasp these simple explanations . Geez 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by JackBizzle: 10:35pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: I comment my reserve 5 Likes |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by thehomer: 10:38pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
DeepSight: What is the point of God? |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by thehomer: 10:44pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: You're seriously trying to explain how three different people can be one person at the same time? Really? Do you know the difference between three different people and one particular person? Or the difference between the ideas of three and one? |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by MrMontella(m): 11:17pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Richirich713:please show us Job's phd cert. 3 Likes |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by dalaman: 3:36am On Jan 20, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Please listen to yourself. God is not a 3 dimensional being for him to assume more than one eternal being you said and immediately you said God is 3 persons in one. Are you drunk? You haven't demonstrated that non 3 dimensional beings can not be multiple and exist eternally. You just made that assumption based on nothing. Later on like your defunct portal, this star trek hypothesis of yours will be thrown away by you. 5 Likes |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by Nobody: 4:25am On Jan 20, 2017 |
dalaman: Rofl |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:46am On Jan 20, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: @ Dalaman I clearly said : from our three dimensional world we can say God exists as three persons . 2 Likes |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:55am On Jan 20, 2017 |
thehomer: These videos can help . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQkFlzFJ3kA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvj87QCF0lg |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:57am On Jan 20, 2017 |
JackBizzle: Accepting that by faith means that I absolutely take God's revelation of his triune nature unto man in the bible as true |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by UyiIredia(m): 9:59am On Jan 20, 2017 |
JackBizzle: Yet he says anyone can wrap their heads around an eternal being. 1 Like |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by JackBizzle: 10:12am On Jan 20, 2017 |
UyiIredia: Like I said- anyone can wrap their head around an eternal being. The issue is that there is no evidence or reality for it,. 1 Like |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by MrMontella(m): 10:17am On Jan 20, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:all these are rubbishes and you know it.. By saying that a blasphemy(sin) against the holy spirit is unforgivable and in the same sentence saying that a blasphemy(sin) against the son of Man is forgivable..luke 12:8-10.... Jesus has already debunked your nonsense that God is three persons of/with one nature and being and co-equal bullshvt 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by dalaman: 11:11am On Jan 20, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: From our three dimensional world God exist as 20 persons. |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by DeepSight(m): 6:09pm On Jan 20, 2017 |
dalaman:That is a lie. No one does. |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by DeepSight(m): 6:17pm On Jan 20, 2017 |
JackBizzle: Sir Bizzle, Lord of the Way. Are you saying you are not real? |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by JackBizzle: 10:11pm On Jan 20, 2017 |
DeepSight: That would be uber paradoxical. How can a conscious being state that he/she is not real? I dont follow.... |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by TheNazarene: 11:09pm On Jan 20, 2017 |
JackBizzle: for him to try to explain it to you means he has observed HIM, had a 'revelation of Him and has understood God in a way satisfactory to him. The major reason why you can't understand is that the explanation is not yours to understand but his, so if you want to understand/observe God, you need to do that yourself. |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by DeepSight(m): 11:28pm On Jan 20, 2017 |
JackBizzle: You said that there is no evidence or reality for God. I say that you are the evidence and you are the reality that proves its existence. Unless you are not real . . . . |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by Nobody: 11:49pm On Jan 20, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:An...? Annnn??! Really? Demonstrate why it should be a single entity 1 Like |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by Nobody: 11:52pm On Jan 20, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Well, what is faith? The criterion for authenticating..... well, WHAT? |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:59pm On Jan 20, 2017 |
joyContraMundum: Faith here means absolute trust . Of course not the type of faith the typical atheist has 1 Like |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by Nobody: 12:05am On Jan 21, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Well, beddy bye. We'll continue at dawn. It's past twelve and my dad is around. |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by JackBizzle: 4:35am On Jan 21, 2017 |
DeepSight: What a non-sequitur It does not follow. I am not evidence for God. No human being is. Please, make a logical argument and not just a declaration without logic or evidence. 1 Like |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by UyiIredia(m): 8:12am On Jan 21, 2017 |
joyContraMundum: If it's not a single entity it couldn't be God. Obviously there cannot be another God who created God, since He would require God's qualities. Furthermore, the idea is illogical because it contradicts the idea that God is non-contingent, eternal and omnipotent, since any God that created him would preced Him, be stronger than Him and He would be contingent on that God. As such, any self-existent, immaterial conscious being with God's qualities must be a single entity. |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by UyiIredia(m): 8:13am On Jan 21, 2017 |
JackBizzle: Liar. |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by MrMontella(m): 12:19pm On Jan 21, 2017 |
UyiIredia:It contracts the idea because you gave properties to God where evidence of such exist not. Giving intricate properties on the nature of God makes you no different from the fundamental christian who believes his god has the ability to commune on a personal basis..find keys and all that.. The simpliest and most correct definition of God is ---The author of The universe... Nothing more,Nothing less.. You presented no logical statement showing that God having a precedent impedes it from creating the universe....which is own concern...This universe... 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: That Silly Question - "Where Did God Come From" - Aseity Discussion. by DeepSight(m): 12:26pm On Jan 21, 2017 |
JackBizzle: I am truly at a loss sir. I don't understand what you are saying. When looking at a created thing, one can see attributes of its creator therein. In simple terms, where one looks at a computer once can discern not just that it was intelligently put together, but that its creator clearly has a need for storage and retrieval of information, for processing documents and programs and the like. Even a bicycle discloses that it has a creator and also discloses attributes of its creator - such as that the creator most likely has a need for movement, and most likely has two legs and two hands. I don't understand how you can look at a fully formed being, starting as it does from the union of sperm and egg, developing in the wombs into a form with fit-for-purpose body parts: parts intricately designed to aid consciousness and active conscious experience of the world - all of the organs of the Body from the astonishing feat called a brain, to the mind-blowing things called eyes: to the ears, mouth, tongue - The heart, Lungs, Liver, digestive and reproductive systems, nervous and sensory systems: and the fact that therein lives and dwells a mind - of ideas, thoughts, emotions and self conscious will: and say to yourself that this does not of itself disclose a creator or creators who have set that process in movement with very definite intentions for conscious experiencing. This is why I point to you as evidence of the creator and I can only be befuddled if you do not recognize that the wonder of your existence: in mind, body and spirit: is staggering evidence of the creator or creators. But, as it happens, you are actually able to look at the totality of your self and declare: "no evidence!" It can only be that you have a most dim and most low perception of your own being as a creature. You must regard yourself as something lower than an amoeba. Ol boy, its benumbing. 2 Likes 1 Share |
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