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Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 10:55pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
blacbard: @bold...yes it might be hard to have exact figures given a lot that often happened. For example, some people were often mislabelled or given different tribes, for example some people exported from Bight of Benin may have been labelled lukumi even though they were actually not. Manning, for example, mentioned these mislabelling biasing the lukumi or Nago number numbers up. Thus from numbers or statistics obtained, researchers are able to give realistic or conservative estimates of exports. Given the very late entrance of Yoruba slaves into the market and their short period of time in trade before it ended completely, conservative estimates suggest a figure around 437,700 ethnic Yorubas. I find 986,000 to be pushing one's luck too far or even 1.67m to be exceedingly ridiculous. Of course, the final numbers settling in the new world would be lesser, subtracting the saros, agudas, those who died in slave ships before making it to the new world, etc. Multiple realistic sources for exports all point to a figure less than 500,000, the actual number settling finally being between 300,000 to 400,000.
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Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 10:57pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
YourNemesis: How come these so-called words are missing from Krio dictionary? Maybe some of the elderly Okus (who are often not regarded as part of Creole people) know these words, but Creole people (majorly descended from Jamaican, Nova Scotian, African American ex-slaves), I doubt. |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by YourNemesis: 11:08pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: lol, Why are you lying BigFrancis? You are simply being dishonest.... but continue. Here is an online Krio dictionary, And I am already seeing plenty Yoruba words just on the first page under A. Abule Agbada Agbako Abobo Ajo Alagba Alaki Ashebi agbolo Awujo http://www.sierra-leone.org/Krio/dictionary-a.html 5 Likes |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 11:08pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
YourNemesis: Smh. Another biased article written by another Nigerian Yoruba writer. Of course what would you expect. Moreover such Yoruba names, if true, would likely be from roll calls of late entrants into the new world. That is no new news. Overall, a very tiny number of Bight of Benin slaves entered the Gullah region. 1 Like |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by YourNemesis: 11:09pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: So, why don't you check the Igbo ethnologue and show us the result? 5 Likes |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 11:09pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
YourNemesis: Well, is this your proof of Yoruba being a living language in Sierra Leone? |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by YourNemesis: 11:10pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: kwahahahaha loool..... It wasn't even from a Yoruba writer... Yorubas made a tiny percent of Gullah ancestors, but have dominated Gullah worldview in the form of names and African words. Na waa. 6 Likes |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by YourNemesis: 11:10pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: Guy.. Just go to your other thread. 5 Likes |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 11:13pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
YourNemesis: Well, because we do not go around claiming countries where immigrant Igbos, especially traders, are found as Igbo-speaking countries. Realistically speaking, 2 countries where Yoruba is a recognized living language are Nigeria and Benin republic. Some sources count Togo, yet to confirm that. Igbo language is recognized in Nigeria and Equatorial Guinea. Any other Yoruba speakers elsewhere are immigrant speakers of the language from Nigeria. I mean this is an information age, let us look at things just as they are without unnecessary sentiments. |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 11:15pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
YourNemesis: Once more you are being evasive. |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by YourNemesis: 11:16pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: Of course Yorubas are not native to Sierra Leone... duuurh. Only three countries Yorubas are native to is Nigeria, Benin and Togo. Yorubas in Sierra Leone are like Germans in Chile. Igbos in Say China are like Indians in Nigeria. 5 Likes |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 11:17pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
YourNemesis: Dude, Farooq Kperogi is Nigerian and most likely Yoruba or related thereof. I do not expect anything different anyway. Learn to use google. It is free. smh kwahahahaha 1 Like
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Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 11:19pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
YourNemesis: Then, Yoruba is not a native language in Sierra Leone, going against your previous claim and fake maps you uploaded even claiming Ghana. Case closed. 1 Like |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by YourNemesis: 11:22pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: Siiiigh...... The research Farooq is quoting is not original to him. He only wrote an article based on valid research of a list of Gullah words. The original is: The Gullah People and Their African Heritage By William S. Pollitzer btw Kperogi is Bariba. 5 Likes |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by YourNemesis: 11:23pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: I never said Yoruba were native to those places....hmmmn We were talking about slave trade and retention of language and culture, and that was how Sierra Leone , Creole, Akus and Yoruba came up. Who does not know that Sierra Leone is a milllion miles away from Yorubaland. 5 Likes |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 11:24pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
Farooq Kperogi I am an Assistant Professor of Journalism and Citizen Media at Kennesaw State University, Georgia, USA. I received my B.A. in Mass Communication from Bayero University Kano, Nigeria, my Master's of Science degree in Communication from the University of Louisiana, USA, and my Ph.D. in Public Communication from Georgia State University, Atlanta, USA. I am a recipient of the Nigerian Television Authority Prize for the Best Graduating Student in Mass Communication, the University of Louisiana's Outstanding Master's Student in Communication award, and Georgia State University's top Ph.D. student award in communication. I'd worked as a reporter, news editor, presidential researcher/speech writer, and journalism lecturer in Nigeria before relocating to the United States. I write two weekly newspaper columns: "Notes from Atlanta," which comes out every Saturday in the Weekly Trust and "Politics of Grammar," which appears every Sunday in the Sunday Trust. My columns are simultaneously published on my blog: www.farooqkperogi.com http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/profile/Farooq-A.-Kperogi.html 1 Like |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 11:29pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
YourNemesis: Bariba who schooled in Kwara Yoruba land. I mentioned earlier he must be related thereof. I am not surprised. He may have written his article based on someone else's research, but the part below in quote were of his own personal admission:
Finally only names of ancestors from roll call, which if checked one would find names from other tribes too listed. Overall, bight of benin represents less than 2% of Gullah ancestry, so why is this even news? I think you skipped this part too from your very same article:
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Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by YourNemesis: 11:30pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: Btw, Where are the Igbo equivalents of the Akus of Gambia/SL and the Okus of SL, Who are more or less ethnic groups of their own? Cos, there were also Igbo returnees in SL. like the Okoro president guy... 2 Likes |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 11:31pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
YourNemesis: Well you made it seem like Yoruba language was spoken as a living language in those countries by the natives. Once again, present facts as they are. Like I said before, the attention academic sources give to Yoruba history tends to often exaggerate things than they are actually are. However, reality on ground is quite different. |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by YourNemesis: 11:32pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
Gullahs are Welcome into the Yoruba fold. 3 Likes |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 11:36pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
YourNemesis: Of course no doubt, there were Igbo ex slave returnees, though in much lesser numbers than Yorubas. Some Igbo ex-slaves returned to places like Onitsha, Port-Harcourt, Umuahia and Aba in the east. In Onitsha for example, these people are often known by their English surnames. For example, the Nollywood actor, Larry Koldsweat, is a descendant of an Igbo ex-slave returnee from Sierra Leone. In UNN, I had a classmate from Onitsha whose great grandfather was an Igbo returnee, their surname is Brown. He is related to Franca Brown, a Nollywood actress who often acts the role of a wicked mother-in-law. The Borwn family is quite popular in Onitsha. Ask anybody who grew up in Onitsha about these people. They often have English surnames and Igbo first or middle names. They have their own quarters in Onitsha. Akus of Gambia are simply Akus from SL who migrated to Gambia. They are not originally natives of Gambia but are migrants. What's the big deal in that. The number of Igbo returnees would pale in comparison to Yoruba returnees to significantly change the numbers. |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 11:38pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
YourNemesis: Good for them. However, they are majorly of Sierra Leonean, Congolese and Angolan descent. mu na unu from Igbo still survives in modern day Gullah. |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by YourNemesis: 11:38pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: Yoruba is still being spoken by Okus in Sierra Leone (Who are not recent Nigerian migrants) Many have maintained links with home. Tiwa Savage's family is said to be Aku. Although it is fading there, due to lack of government recognition. 2 Likes |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by YourNemesis: 11:40pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: They will become one of us by assimilation and acculturalization. Everybody came from somewhere. That don't matter. 4 Likes |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by YourNemesis: 11:44pm On Jan 24, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: I didn't skip it, I saw it. I am only posting Yoruba influence in Gullah, why are you skipping a heartbeat over it? 7 Likes |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by YourNemesis: 12:23am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Description on the Yorubas of The Bahamas They are described to have come from a town named 'Abeokonto' , and to always been ad war with the Dahomeans 3 Likes |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by YourNemesis: 12:29am On Jan 25, 2017 |
The Yoruba were the major African group on the Island of Bahamas in the 1800s, and Oyo was said to have been a Major supplier. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 8:02am On Jan 25, 2017 |
YourNemesis: @bold...false and no proof of that. You've joined the bandwagon of producers of fake news. 1 Like |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 8:03am On Jan 25, 2017 |
YourNemesis: DNA doesn't change regardless. That is why regardless of the color, your so-called acculturation, or degree of mixing of african americans today, DNA tests are still able to pinpoint what tribe their very first ancestor came from. Just as the population of Yorubas with Igbo DNA through inter-marriage is on a geometric rise in Yoruba land, 50 years from now Yorubas would be said to have heavy Igbo descent in them. 100 years from now, as many as 40% of Yorubas may be doing DNA testing with results indicating to eastern Nigeria. 1 Like |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 8:05am On Jan 25, 2017 |
YourNemesis: What is the Yoruba influence in Gullah? Slave names? As if other tribes didn't have their own names recorded too when they arrived? Is that the Yoruba influence in Gullah? Or do you have a different interpretation of 'influence' here? |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 8:10am On Jan 25, 2017 |
YourNemesis: More evidence proving Yorubas only became dominant in the 1800s. We already said this severally before. Nothing new. 1 Like |
Re: Slaves from The Bight of Benin Vs The Bight of Biafra- Numbers & Cultural Legacy by bigfrancis21: 8:13am On Jan 25, 2017 |
YourNemesis: What is this supposed to mean? It is no more quantifying Yoruba numbers but how hardworking in slavery they were? Obedient slaves ni? Bros haba na you no dey shame? |
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