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Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 12:54pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
joyContraMundum:Y are u filled wt spite and anger?God ur creator loves ur soul brother |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 12:58pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Oktoberfest:Spite and anger indeed. When you get mocked, you tend to paint the one doing the mocking as sinister. How amusing. You theists must be really good at tasting we atheists to be able to tell so well, how bitter we are, deep down. |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 1:12pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
joyContraMundum:Love ur neighbour as urself and love The Lord ur God with all ur heart and strength,it wont cost u anything but little "mental pride"...its not everything on earth u can understand or explain |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by AmunaNo1: 1:16pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
HardMirror: Here's Another problem. Christians love to say Jesus sacrificed himself for the sins of the world. But I beg to differ according to their story, Jesus dies, and then resurrects three days later. Does this very act not nullify the notion of sacrifice itself? Jesus lives so therefore no life was lost and no debt was paid. Thank you. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 1:18pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Oktoberfest:I hope you do not be among those naïve fellas who go about preaching the insane and catastrophic message of "Love your enemies", 'cause you're beginning to seem to me like someone who wallows in unrestrained emotionalism, and in what way, exactly, is that intelligent? |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by skeendyke: 1:24pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
mack111: Unless you persist in lying to yourself, you would see that a counter to this post in respect to this question is nothing but stoking the flame of argument. Go through the religious section and tell me that there's a dearth of write-ups of greater detail, weight and importance on this issue as well as other issues, as dealt with in threads and comments of a number of theists that shouldn't have led to the conversion of atheists before now. While you consistently deny incontrovertible proofs of God's existence through the reports of people who were medically certified dead, brain dead, only to return to life to give their message of the afterlife and it has not lead to the conversion of hundreds of atheists and unbelievers then you expect a counter reply to do that. Are you real? Like father Abraham in the Word of God told the rich man, you have the prophets. If you don't believe them you will never believe anyone even if he rises from the grave. In addition, if you neither believe the pastors and evangelists nor the testimonies of people concerning the miraculous hand of God in their lives and many with proofs then you will never believe a mere counter reply to a subject that has been over-flogged. 1 Like |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by bennyann: 1:48pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
This topic is an interesting one and it's also a good observation or thinking. It's just a pity the one who brought about the topic does this to smite God. May God have mercy on his soul. The problem is that we don't know how compassionate, merciful and loving this great God is. He is a fair judge, a God of justice. He desires no one to parish. And since He is a fair judge, He can never be partial. He will do everything possible to make sure He doesn't go against His word because He is a faithful God. Even if we all deny or disown Him, He will still remain faithful to His Word. He is never a partial God when it comes to judgment. I am of the believe God will make sure everyone knows about Jesus because that is the center of the gospel and the standard for judgment. How He will do that I don't know but I can give a point: To those who haven't heard about Jesus, Jesus himself reaches out to them... That can be gotten from testimonies, it's up to you to believe it or not If you still ask what about those who He did not reach out to and they still haven't heard of Him - well, that's God's business not yours. That's why I started with He is a God of justice, an impartial God. He can never disown His word. He knows how to handle such when it turns out like that. He is a God who will remain faithful to Himself forever. When it comes to judgment, let your heart be calm in His impartiality for He is truly impartial. God loves us so much that He can even direct and teleport any of His servants to preach to others in a place not expected at such a time. An example was Philip in the Bible. For all those reading these: our concern should be have we heard the gospel or not? Have we heard about Jesus being our Savior or not? If we have we should be more concerned for ourselves and leave the part that does not concern us or that we can do nothing about to God. That's God's issue, that's God's case so please let Him handle it and concentrate on your own life. For those who have heard the gospel and haven't turn their hearts to God, hear this: you are worse, much more worse than those who haven't heard. I mean they are far off better than you in all areas. For those who have heard the gospel but ignore it, read this :“Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you.” Mt 11:21-24 NIV The Op carries a very nice topic, that any believer who knows the answers to them will not be swayed at all. So I will encourage all believers to know about their God and also to have an idea of how limitless God's love is in width, breadth, height, length, size, in any form of measurement. When believers come to understand God's unlimited love, they will be able to scale heights even when they can't measure the love of God. I wish all the brethren in the house the love of God and the power of the revelation of such a love. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Boss13: 2:04pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Oktoberfest: My brother ever wondered why the God of the Old Testament is different from the New Testament and yet we all claim God never changes! If you are sincere, you will notice the paradigm shift in the God concept. On the adulteration aspect - ever heard of the council of Nicae before? I will allow you to google it up. |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Boss13: 2:07pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
bennyann: Your write up is nice, but my sincere question to you is what is the gospel? |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 2:09pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Boss13:What is the difference please?council of nicea?that was well after the scriptures were written |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 2:10pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
joyContraMundum:Loving ur enemy simply mean praying for him to change his ways |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 2:14pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Oktoberfest:I don't care what it "simply means". Tell me the ACTUAL meaning of Love, instead. |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Boss13: 2:15pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Oktoberfest: There were about 52 Gospels and many of them were written over 200 - 300AD. There was the gospel of Thomas, which many believe to be older than the 4 gospels, gospel of Mary madaglene, acts of Peter, gospel of Judas, acts of Paul and thelan etc Many of the New testaments were not written by the disciples rather they were written by witnesses. Consequently, there were many variations on the account of Jesus lives and teachings. Some claimed he is divine, others said he was a mere prophet. These beliefs gave rise to many Christianity sects and likewise disputes. In order to resolve these issues, emperor Constantine called for a meeting of bishops and there is was agreed on what should be canonized and what should be discarded. 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Boss13: 2:19pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Oktoberfest: Jesus said first remove the spike from your eyes before you remove the rod from your Neighbour's eyes. Love your neighbour as you love thyself removes the notion of enemy. It can also be interpreted as treat all men equally and that includes women too. Respect and tolerate people beliefs and don't feel superior. |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 2:34pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
bennyann:lol.... This is a post steeped in the worship of emotions. Throwing love here and there like a Cinderella blowing fragrant bubbles. But there are still many pertinent questions to be answered, and as long as they remain, so will the content of this post remain floating in thin air, in the blue of the blues...... without any rational support. Here's one. It's not all about HEARING, is it? It's about getting CONVINCED. Now, imagine an averagely intelligent little boy (he's not the rational type, so there's no possibility that he will discard ancient poisons and toxins and shrugged off pernicious indoctrinations when he grows up), born to a Muslim Jihadist in Pakistan, a fierce advocate of Wahabism, made into a fanatical Muslim by his extremist father and joins the rank of the lunatics queuing to martyr themselves at any opportunity, due to a pathological obsession with dusky 72 virgins that would be awarded them, the Mighty Warriors of Allah, posthumously. It's undeniable that the boy's mind has been effectively DESYROYED nearly beyond any hope of repair. The question now is, even if this one HEARS of the gospel of Christ, how do you CONVINCE him to accept it as true? Is that even remotely possible? Are you saying, he'll burn in hell for all eternity if he refuses to accept, despite the staggering odds against such a possibility? It was a situation BEYOND HIS control, he had no choice in the matter, no say at all. His young mind was a white canvas and his father painted it the colour he so wished, without his consent, when he was still a little man, and remarkably vulnerable to such a psychological attack. It's a fact that this kind of person almost certainly CANNEVER be convinced of the truth of Christ's message. But God is going to make a divine barbeque out of him for that? This is absurd. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 2:42pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Boss13:Any why where some discarded...or not included in the bible? |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 2:43pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
joyContraMundum:Doing no harm |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 2:55pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
moski5:Only concerned about emotional comfort. No rational word to utter in defence. Good, wallow in as much of it as you want in your little bubble of existence. |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by bennyann: 3:01pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Boss13: The gospel is the good news about what Jesus Christ has done to reconcile sinners to God. |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Boss13: 3:01pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Oktoberfest: I wish I was there. However, historians said these bishops discarded books they do not agree with. |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Boss13: 3:02pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
bennyann: What is the good news |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 3:23pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Boss13:Maybe a proper review of these other "gospels" would explain better |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by bennyann: 3:40pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
joyContraMundum: First of all if someone accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord and savior, you'll never know until he acts it out in your presence or voices it out to you. That's because it's a thing of the heart and only God knows the nature of one's heart. Secondly and most importantly, it isn't my work or duty to bring about conviction. My duty is to preach the good news. JoyContraMundum, I could have gone further but I've decided to stop here. I wouldn't talk on this issue again and please please forgive me for that. I replied your pm. Please do have a nice day dear. 1 Like |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Everblazinggg(f): 3:50pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
HardMirror: You do not believe in the existence of GOD yet you spend hours on your keyboard writing about Him. You do not believe in GOD yet you are so obsessed about how Christians worship Him. You do not believe in GOD, Yet you want to get people's opinions about Him. People declaring themselves atheist and in turn writing senseless posts about GOD. I don't really care what you declare yourself; But when you are at it, kindly keep a blind eye at Christians and their belief. Believe in what u want 2 believe n allow others. Just like you wouldn't find me writing about ATHEISM because it's inconsequential to me, likewise how you shouldn't write about CHRISTIANITY because it doesn't exist in your world. 1 Like |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 4:12pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
AmunaNo1:Lol.... Absolutely right. Let me tell you a story. Once upon a time, a being of ultra-evil called Satan enslaved the human race and said that all of them would be dispatched to Satan's cosmic torture chamber where he would inflict infinite pain forever: a place he named Hell. Hearing Satan's monstrous plan, God declared, "No, take me instead," Satan was overjoyed and agreed immediately. He imprisoned God in Hell and subjected him to the greatest pain conceivable, a pain that will never end. So, if the tale I have told was about the "real" Jesus Christ then all of humanity would be forever in Christ's debt. Christ's love for humanity, his infinite self I sacrifice, saved humanity from a fate worse than death. He took upon himself all of the sins and suffering of humanity, a burden he would endure to Doomsday. We would be forever in his debt and his sacrifice would shine as the greatest bacon in human history. But let's see what actually happened. It wasn't Satan who built Hell - it was God! It wasn't Satan who declared that humanity was guilty of Original sin and hence damned to Hell forever - it was God. Jesus Christ didn't sacrifice himself to spare humanity from Satan's evil decrees, but from his own. Jesus Christ as allegedly lives for 33 years and then died on the cross - does that constitute a significant sacrifice in the context of eternity? Enormous numbers of human beings have endured much worse fates than Jesus Christ, and often at the hands of the followers of Jesus Christ. There is NOTHING about the story of Jesus Christ that makes any sense. It's ludicrous. He died to save us not from Satan but from himself. What kind of crazy shiit is that? AND PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS INSANE CRAP!!! BILLIONS OF THEM. THEY WILL DEMONIZE YOU IN THE NAME OF THIS INCREDIBLE SHIIT. THIS HEAP OF FUCKING LUNACY WITHOUT LIMIT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THEIR LIVES. 1 Like |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 4:16pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Everblazinggg:Bullshiit. Why not go down on your knees and start pleading with us to stop ridiculing your ridiculous beliefs? If you were rational, you wouldn't react emotionally to criticism. HardMirror, you just struck a nerve. 1 Like |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 4:18pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
bennyann:No qualms there. Okay. Thank you. And you too. |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Everblazinggg(f): 4:23pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
joyContraMundum: Some believe and love Those that love confess him God remains himself. |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by Nobody: 4:29pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Everblazinggg:Inside your innocent heart dear. |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by HardMirror(m): 5:01pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
Everblazinggg:Christians love stitching nice words together to make sentences that sound wise but total crap. You are making zero sense. Jesus died in jerusalem. It took thousands of years for the myth of jesus to even reach some countries, so if your god was so wise and the message of jesus was so important, why shld he die in Jerusalem and wait for thousands of years for some to get the opportunity to hear this message? All the rubbish you typed up there has nothing to do with the op and it is senseless to say the least. |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by niyihawking(m): 5:24pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
HardMirror:Fatality |
Re: Problem With The Death Of Jesus. Have You Thought Of This? by GoodMuyis(m): 7:33pm On Jan 22, 2017 |
HardMirror: You means Islam, But what took you so long to divulge this new stuff, but why must you add jara on top. Answer to your question is Simple if you can attempt this... Do you believe all or most religion point to Supreme Being? Do you agree That the supreme being could God but ignorantly worship? If you accept the above, then do all Religion then point to God? If Religion Point to God (even if ignorantly worship) what make Jesus deity standout and His Christianity? we can start from here ==modified== |
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