Demmzy15:
He won't read that I'm certain of, everything you state is just entering one ear and getting out of the other!

Demmzy15:


What exactly really they clamoring for? Can you tell us?

You said maybe, we work with facts here. Many Royals have been executed for various crimes including murder. So you need to come up with proves for whatever assertion you make.

There are Syrians, Yemenis, Palestinians and even Burma Muslims in Saudi. Please can you give us the secret reason not some conspiracy theories!

You and you! No other but you!

The hadith never promoted anything you think of, you're just trying to be deliberate mischievous. Here's the full ahadith:

“There will appear after me rulers, they will not guide by my guidance, and they will not establish my Sunnah; there will be amongst them men whose hearts will be hearts of devils in the bodies of men!” He was asked: “How should I behave, O Messenger of Allāh, if I reach that time?” He replied: “Hear and obey the Amīr (i.e. the ruler), even if he beats your back and [illegally] takes your wealth – hear and obey!” Muslim in the Sahīh, Book of Rulership.

Could you be sincere and tell exactly how this ahadith is glorifying slave-master?

snapscore:


That's why I didn't bother to respond to the false accusations that Saudi didn't take in refugees.I know for a fact that both Saudi and Qatar accepted certain amount of refugees, gave them residences and sponsors their living. Unlike in other countries, they aren't kept in refugee camps, they are given apartments, are allowed to work and go to schools. The GCC in general also give charities to countries like Turkey to hosts refugees and care for them. The link explains more about why the GCC in general don't have official records of taking in 'refugees'.

http://www.opensourceinvestigations.com/syria/gulf-states-response-to-syrian-refugee-crisis-a-myth-debunked/

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/saudi-arabia-denies-giving-syrians-sanctuary-150912050746572.html

https://www.facebook.com/notes/islam-mohamed/saudi-aid-to-syrian-refugees-is-enough-truths-revealed-lies-exposed/10156125779865294/?_rdr=p

tintingz:
Madam, Saudi are only deceiving you about accepting refugees.

[img]https://refugeeresettlementwatch.files./2015/09/gulf-states-640x438-640x480.png[/img]

snapscore:


Those stats are nothing but a lie. I have personally met Syrian refugees in Qatar.

I can attest the things I posted that was why I said I know for a fact. Maybe it's because they aren't recorded as refugees in the GCC, but both Saudi and Qatar took in the Syrian people. They also give humanitarian aid to countries that hosts refugees.

snapscore:


Those stats are nothing but a lie. I have personally met Syrian refugees in Qatar.

I can attest to the things I posted that was why I said I know for a fact. Maybe it's because they aren't recorded as refugees in the GCC, but both Saudi and Qatar took in the Syrian people. They also give humanitarian aid to countries that hosts refugees.

Empiree:
They accept refugees or not, Muslim countries collectively are a failure for their people.

They should be the one more vocal at acceptingredients refugees rather than the West.

Any wonder why refugees turned to the West for santuary instead of their brethren?.

We had to protest refugees ban for them to be welcomed in the US whereas Allah says that His earth had space. These refugees would come to the US and some of them convert to their fake religionot bcuz of our failures.

Either way, Muslim countries are not doing enough whatsoever. I'm not gonna defend any of them blindly. Since of them go as helping kufar bomb their fellow Muslim counties. What a shame!

If not that Americans stand with Muslims on this, I'm sure crazy Christians would be saying " but Muslims are not allowed to seek residence in the land of kufar".

It is high time for them to put their sectarian differences aside and do the needful. They should be the ones making noise about accepting refugees. Not the West.

tintingz:
And how do you want me to believe this?
No doubt there are few syrian immigrants living in Saudi. Saudi Arabia are currently not accepting any refugees, they are strict in giving visa.



Turkey and Lebanon really tried.

tintingz:
They are coming out ooo, See Mr. Tinubu.

Tinubu Addresses #istandwithnigeria Protesters Led To Him By Moremi Ojudu(video)
https://www.nairaland.com/3614157/tinubu-addresses-istandwithnigeria-protesters-led

Empiree:
They accept refugees or not, Muslim countries collectively are a failure to their people.

They should be the one more vocal at accepting refugees rather than the West.

Any wonder why refugees turned to the West for santuary instead of their brethren?.

We had to protest refugees ban for them to be welcomed in the US whereas Allah says that His earth has space. These refugees would come to the US and some of them convert to their fake religion bcuz of our failures.

Either way, Muslim countries are not doing enough whatsoever. I'm not gonna defend any of them blindly. Some of them go as far as helping kufar bomb their fellow Muslim countries. What a shame!

If not that Americans stand with Muslims on this, I'm sure crazy Christians would be saying " but Muslims are not allowed to seek residence in the land of kufar".

It is high time for them to put their sectarian differences aside and do the needful. They should be the ones making noise about accepting refugees. Not the West.

snapscore:


I believe you mentioned a few post earlier that the refugees aren't legally registered as refugees. Hence, stats about them cannot be counted.

Secondly, part of the reasons most of the refugees are in Lebanon and Turkey is because

1) They share a border with Syria. Hence, it's easier to get to compared to Saudi or other GCC states.
2) UN and other NGO's are situated at the boarders to accept them.
3) Saudi and other GCC continuously donates millions of dollars to support the host countries.
Additionally, as I mentioned earlier, refugees GCC take in aren't treated as refugees. Unlike in other countries where they are restricted, the GCC government take responsibilities for these people. They allow them integrate into the society, provide them with housing, residency permits, education and allow them to seek jobs.

Lastly, according to diffen.com -An Immigrant is an individual who leaves one’s country to settle in another, whereas refugees are defined as persons, who are forced to move out of one’s country due to restriction or danger to their lives. Immigrants are usually driven by economic factors, or they want to be close to family.

So the Syrians the Saudi government and other GCC let in don't fall under the category of an immigrant. They are refugees.

@Friendchoice, I only came to clarify because it would be unfair for me to be quiet. I will heed to your advice. I find it interesting that only 7% of the refugees are in Europe. I expected there would be a lot more with the way things are reported in the media.

sino:

But Turkey and Jordan, which are majority Muslim countries, or we can call them Muslim countries, accepted the highest percentage of refugees, and they are not making any noise about it, not to mention the following information from huffingtonpost:

"With Saudi Arabia’s non-signatory status, the Syrians residing in Saudi Arabia are classified as “Arab brothers and sisters in distress” instead of refugees covered by UN treaties. According to Nabil Othman, the UNHCR regional representative to the Gulf region, there were 500,000 Syrian refugees in Saudi Arabia at the time of his statement. The government itself of Saudi Arabia has stated that it has, over the past five years since the start of the conflict hosted 2.5 million refugees."

Source

I think you have been swayed by the mainstream media to believe contrary to the facts on ground.

tintingz:
Their right.

The Saudi sharia law most times gives partial justice to wealthy people, and not only In Saudi Arabia, also here in northern part of Nigeira. I'm not saying they don't execute wealthy people but most time sharia law is enforced on average poor people.

It is true that Saudi judges exercise broad powers of interpretation. Discretion, however, does not equal independence, and execution-addicted Saudi courts always err on the side of government supremacy, often to the detriment of their impartiality.
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/partial-justice-how-saudi-executions-serve-monarchy-1013161145

Saudi Arabia claims it has admitted half a million Syrians since 2011. Syrians are welcome to come, the argument goes, even if they are not legally registered as refugees.
Rights groups are not convinced. Visa restrictions make it difficult for Syrians to enter Gulf countries in practice, and even harder to stay. “These countries are not making clear, logistically and technically, to these people that your destination could be the Gulf,” says Qadi. “They have to make it clear. They have to announce it.”
http://time.com/4025187/arab-states-syrian-refugees/

Saudi always claim they accepted refugees to their land but they are yet to show evidence, they gave excuses that 'we don't boast" which is lame. At least it is very obvious that U.S accepted refugees.

I was ones a gullible like you and your fellows, I use to defend every tom and díck Hadiths as long as it is Hadiths, even the ones that are barbaric.

I'm now an ex gullibian.

You are not making any sense here. This Hadith is about submitting to an evil ruler a slave master, stoic syndrome. Glorifying slave master and slavery.

Our forefathers fought for their freedom which you're enjoying today, this Hadiths is the opposite.

tintingz:
As of September 2015, the flow of refugees to the European Union has increased significantly, and there is a rise in criticism of Muslim nations for allegedly accepting few refugees. The Syrian Civil War forced millions to flee their homes in search of safety. Saudi Arabia, as a rich country, was heavily criticized for not offering land to Syrian refugees – it only offers resettlement for asylum-seekers whose families already reside in Saudi Arabia.

The CIA World Factbook estimated that as of 2013, foreign nationals living in Saudi Arabia made up about 21% of the population. Total number of Syrians in Saudi Arabia was 100,000 before the start of Syrian Civil War

However, according to a Saudi official, Saudi Arabia has issued residency permits to 100,000 Syrians.[6] On the other hand, the BBC claims, "Most successful cases are Syrians already in the Gulf states extending their stays, or those entering because they have family there,"[4] and, "No Syrians claiming asylum have been taken in by Saudi Arabia or other wealthy Gulf countries."

Syrians in Saudi Arabia include migrants from Syria to Saudi Arabia and their descendants. The number of Syrians in Saudi Arabia (referred to as "Arab brothers and sisters in distress) is estimated to be at around 500,000[1] people in August 2015 and consists mainly of temporary foreign workers.

Saudi foreign ministry officials claim that the nation has received nearly 2.5 million Syrians since 2011.[10][11]However, the BBC reports that Saudi Arabia has let in 500,000 Syrian refugees since 2011,[12] while Arab News reported that Saudi Arabia was already home to 500,000 Syrians[13] Saudi Arabia claims to have granted 100,000 Syrians residency. An official from Saudi Arabia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated that Saudi Arabia "made it a point not to deal with them as 'refugees'."[/i]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrians_in_Saudi_Arabia

This revealed a lot, in fact it has sum everything up.

It is cear Saudi are good at sugarcoating.

- When I said many Syrian in Saudi are immigrants
- When I said they are strict in giving visa
- When I said they are good at sugarcoating
- When I said there are no evidence of Syrian refugees in Saudi.

I was saying the fact.

tintingz:
If indeed Saudi Arabia allowed refugees in their country, why are they not recorded?

Saudi donated weapons, Saudi are part of Syria war.

I won't call the Syrian in Saudi refugees, they are immigrants, most of Syrian in Saudi migrated before the syria war.. Saudi are currently NOT accepting refugees, they are very strict in giving visa.

Saudis are good at sugar coating.

I'm yet to see pictures of Syrian refugees in Saudi Arabia.

Demmzy15:
They're not refugees in saudi because saudi is not a signatory to the UN refugee bla bla bla, they don't put their brothers into camps under hot desert sun. There were only 100,000 Syrians in saudi before the war, how come you say majority came before the war? Are you giving "majority" another meaning?

Rilwayne001:


Ogbeni, i dey wait for you on WhatsApp

I don answer na!

Demmzy15:
They're not refugees in saudi because saudi is not a signatory to the UN refugee bla bla bla, they don't put their brothers into camps under hot desert sun. There were only 100,000 Syrians in saudi before the war, how come you say majority came before the war? Are you giving "majority" another meaning?

tintingz:
Your reasoning doesn't tell you that the 100,000 Syrian that migrated before the civil war will procreate increasing in population, let not talk about the high rate of polygamy in the country.

Again majority of Syrian in Saudi are immigrants, the 500,000 refugees they claim they took in have families or a stay in Saudi.

Demmzy15:


Like what rights exactly, please be factual! A Saudi hater can only be:

1. Shia(not all Shias because we have some of them supporting the government)
2. A Khariji(those terrorist group fanboys)
3. An ignoramus.

Saudi Arabia is a country which tries it utmost best to run on Shariah, and they're the only country which has ever come close to that. Now that doesn't mean they're perfect, in fact they make mistakes and even the early Muslims made mistakes. If Royals are executed, in fact there was a nephew of King Faisal(rah) who protested against modernization, he was allowed to do so, King Faisal gave a command that if they fire the first shot, the police could engage them and he did.

So if they're punished what else do you want?

This coming from an article in which it's editor sits and compose articles in London but know alot about Saudi judicial system. Quite ironic!

I don't understand this your quote, I've created threads with ample proofs of Saudi and other Gulf countries helping the refugees. Snapscore also provided some nice links, why not visit and clear your ignorance. Besides, the refugees are mostly Muslims, so what have you done exactly to help them? Don't tell me you pray for them, be sincere and don't lie(Allaah would ask you on the day of Judgement).

You not seeing something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, if you want to see refugees, go and visit and inquire about them. It'll be reasonable since you want to see everything first hand.

The Huffpost states:

[quote]According to Nabil Othman, the UNHCR regional representative to the Gulf region, there were 500,000 Syrian refugees in Saudi Arabia at the time of his statement. The government itself of Saudi Arabia has stated that it has, over the past five years since the start of the conflict hosted 2.5 million refugees.[/i]
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8175924

So if the UN confirms it, then who are you to disapprove?

I was once like you, just because something is beyond my reasoning, I began to hate and beat my chest. I'm not longer gullible, your reason for rejecting is because they're barbaric, even if you criticize from morning till night, it doesn't change anything. The only time people would take you seriously is if you can establish that they're not authentic. So whatever you state now is just blabbings.

You need not to tell anyone, we're to say if you're gullible or not. You are!

The hadith doesn't glorify slave masters, stop putting in your gullible meanings into it. Concerning our forefathers fighting against colonialists that's something entirely different, Islam has its conditions for fighting invaders, you fight them if you have the power and resort to peace of you don't because it'll result to incessant bloodshed of Muslims.

Scholars have said the Palestinians should be patient and stop attacking the Israelis, there's a reason behind it.

Demmzy15:


So 100,000 in 2011 will procreate to give birth to 500,000 in 2015. Like Wth!



The number was 100,000 in 2011 and then increase to 500,000. Call it whatever you want, they accepted the refugees from Syria and Yemen. What have you done to help?

tintingz:
The reports said there are Syrian descendants and immigrants, now with the high rate of polygamy in Saudi, each Alhajis with at least 4 wives won't the population increase?

The 100,000 Syrian migrated to Saudi before the civil war, there are no exact year.

Helping is not a big deal as I can donate into any available account provided by the government.

tintingz:
Sectarianism syndrome as usual.

There are converted non-muslims in Saudi, there are Saudis citizens that flee from the country because of their stoic syndrome.

Good, so they make mistakes when it comes to government supremacy or monarchs.

The site is a middle east eye, part of journalism is investigative journalism. There might lies in what they say but we can't call it all lies. There must be investigative evidence before publishing a report.

Saudis are helping Syrian immigrants, people that have families in Saudi, they might be sending goodies to the refugees in other settlement but they are not accepting them to their country. Let agree they accepted 500,000, what about the rest millions still begging for stay?

im in Africa, Nigeria, do I look like a government rescuer agency?

No Syrians claiming asylum have been taken in by Saudi Arabia or other wealthy Gulf countries." - Wikipedia

Can you take me there?

500,000 only? And which 2.5 million refugees? Where are they?

The thing is that, this are just claims.

Demmzy15:


The article in the beginning says saudi was criticized for that, you emboldened it as if it's a fact, it's a statement of why the article is being written. I hope you studied English language in school language.

Before the start of the war, there were 100,000, there's nothing surprising here. However you ignored an important part which states:

Saudi Arabia, like all the other Arab states of the Persian Gulf, is not a signatory to the 1951 United Nations Refugee Convention,[8] which mandates member states to protect refugees within their country. However, according to a Saudi official, Saudi Arabia has issued residency permits to 100,000 Syrians.

Notice the underlined, that's the statement of the BBC and other Western Media which propagated that Saudi accepted no refugees.

There was an increase from 100,000 before the war to 500,000 in 2015. Does that ring a bell?

This was under the conflicting versions, however I'll go with the ministry of foreign affairs.

The article then stated: Some Western media outlets have criticized the international community for saying that Saudi Arabia has taken no refugees. The Huffington Post has claimed that outlets in the US have exploited a technicality used by the UN to count Syrian refugees, and that it is more plausible that 500,000 Syrian refugees are currently in Saudi Arabia.

You were lying because the article in no way supports you, snapscore has given you proves, go read. There many Saudi run camps in Jordan, Turkey and Lebanon, an example is the Zaatari camp and they pour in millions of dollars to help the Syrians. So tintingz, what exactly have you done for the refugees?

tintingz:
It says Saudi was criticize for not accepting refugees. Go back and re-read again.

You did something that's not good, won't you be criticized?

I should be asking you if you studied English in school.

The article has already said there different claims of refugees accepted by Saudi.

Some report said 100,000, some said 500,000, some claim 2.5 million. Haba this lies to much. !!

Saudi foreign ministry officials claim that the nation has received nearly 2.5 million Syrians since 2011.[10][11]However, the BBC reports that Saudi Arabia has let in 500,000 Syrian refugees since 2011,[12] while Arab News reported that Saudi Arabia was already home to 500,000 Syrians[13] Saudi Arabia claims to have granted 100,000 Syrians residency. An official from Saudi Arabia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated that Saudi Arabia "made it a point not to deal with them as 'refugees'. - Wikipedia

Saudi themselves are not clear about the refugees in their country, they are just sugarcoating everything.

The Alhajis wives procreated.

2.5 million or 500,000 or 100,000 refugees reports, which one?

It is now 500,000 I thought it was 2.5 million.

Saudi has already shot themselves in the leg, that's why they were being criticize.

No wonder this man said:

Saudi Arabia claims it has admitted half a million Syrians since 2011. Syrians are welcome to come, the argument goes, even if they are not legally registered as refugees.
Rights groups are not convinced. Visa restrictions make it difficult for Syrians to enter Gulf countries in practice, and even harder to stay. “These countries are not making clear, logistically and technically, to these people that your destination could be the Gulf,” says Qadi. “They have to make it clear. They have to announce it.”
http://time.com/4025187/arab-states-syrian-refugees/

Saudis don't have any refugees camp anywhere, the ones they have in their country is empty and they claim they accepted 2.5 million refugees.

I'm not in any foreign government agency how will I reach to them? If there is any account donation provided by government, I'm ready to donate.

Demmzy15:


Lmao!!! Seriously no comment on this, so 100,000 in 2011 married 4 wives each and immediately gave birth to 500,000? Are you telling me all the 100,000 in 2011 are men? So there are no women, children, elderly? This guy sef! [

The article said before the war, don't twist anything please.

It's not about you helping, the Syrian war started in 2011 and we're 2017. What have you done for them for the past 6years?

Demmzy15:


How can they be criticized when they're a signatory to UN's Refugee Convention? They're not refugees in Saudi, is it too hard for you to decipher?

Of course I studied English language, you're the one didn't because if you did, you interpret a criticism to be a fact.

There were 100,000 before the war, 500,000 was later accepted at some point and the foreign ministry accepted 2.5 million since 2011 as you've stated below. [/b]

You see why I saw you didn't likely study English language in school. Saudi Arabia Ministry claimed 2.5 million while other news outlets claimed other figures.

Before the war it was 100k, Huffington post claimed 500k were later allowed in and the Saudi Arabian Ministry of Foreign but the total Syrians so far since the start of the war in 2011 to be 2.5 million. How is that hard for you?

That's an article from Huffington post, I've already told you what the official government said. This is something else wallahi I thought you said those 500k were children of the 100k in 2011? You choose from suits you, after this reply, you'll surely come again and claim where are the 500k? Another time again you'll say they're children of the 100k. Lmao!

Who tha hell is Qadi?

is it that you're not reading or you have jaundice? The Syrians are fully integrated into the society, Saudi is not a signatory to the UN Refugees Convention. See your round mouth like empty, you've failed miserably in your quest.

http://alekhbariya.net/en/node/9859

So you've done absolutely nothing for the past 6years and yet you criticize a country dedicated to helping this people! Aren't you wicked? So if I didn't ask you, that's how you have continued to run your whilst you've nothing.

Shame on you!