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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by HardMirror(m): 7:34am On Feb 06, 2017
reminiscing:

if you are a graduate then I am sorry that resources were wasted on you to achieve a Certificate plus someone impersonated for you to pass MATH because if you had done the math,you will realize that the number of Christians in the army is nothing compared to the number of Muslim.
Even if you want to claim being an Atheist,you should study to show yourself approved.All I see about you is a "empty barrel"!!!!!
Kindly share with us the mathematics you did to arrive at this conclusion. Lol
Waiting

Cc. Hahn, hopefullandlord

Someone is about to teach me mathematics. smiley
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by HardMirror(m): 7:37am On Feb 06, 2017
Alfred200825:


1st John 5vs19
We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.

Acts 5vs29
..."We must obey God as ruler rather than men.
Hmmm
So it would be wrong for a christian to be a soldier then.

Thanks for the scriptures quoted
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by neocortex: 9:04am On Feb 06, 2017
dalaman:
Christians know very well that the idiotic pacifism thought by Jesus is impossible. They can't ever follow his teachings. They just love to talk about how their Jesus talked about love. They will tell you that you are to love your enemies, love your neighbors as your self, turn the other cheek and the other nonsense Jesus said they should do that they NEVER follow. They only talk about it. Jesus went as far as saying that if a person takes your shirt you are to give him your coat. He encouraged his followers to run away when prosecuted instead of fighting back.

The new testament is filled with idiotic pasifism that no christian ever follows. They NEVER follow it. They only keep repeating it like robots. They know very well that it is all nonsense and impossible to follow any of the nonsense Jesus said. That's why I can see felixmor and malvisguy212 crying baa baa baa, meh meh meh without using the bible to support anything they are saying. If it were another topic they'll be throwing bible verses at you like some deranged goats now all they can do is cry baa baa baa, meh meh meh.

You hit the nail on the head.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by neocortex: 9:05am On Feb 06, 2017
actrinity:

Is israel not a christian state? Don't they have an army? You can now figure out the rest by yourself.


Israel is not a christian state, it is a jewish state.
Please cite biblical verses which support killing as a christian.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by neocortex: 9:08am On Feb 06, 2017
poyet:

God constituted authorities. In fact asked us, in the book of First Timothy, to first of all, pray for the authorities before anything else. Working as a security personnel, which being a soldier is part of, is no something you made up. The authorities God established constituted it for the sake of security of lives and properties. That's why security personnel usually hunt for bad guys, even though innocent people sometimes get nabbed for one reason or another. If it warrants killing, that will not be shied away from, especially when the perpetrator is armed and dangerous or when trying to evade arrest, and their crimes are grievous. Apart from this, criminals are supposed to arrested alive. That will even enhance and expedite the arrest of others.
The matter is that self defence might not have been mentioned bluntly in the Bible. But we saw the Israelites going to war against their enemies who threatened or fought them. That has not changed, buddy. As long as you are not the one starting it, it is absolutely in order to defend one's self, especially when someone is coming to take your life.

The point is that if even if everybody who are of this world hunts for bad guys,
christian shouldn't do so , in fact jesus recommends that christian should love
their enemies.
As a christian, you are supposed to show love to bad guys not hunt and kill them.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by neocortex: 9:10am On Feb 06, 2017
AngelsAndStars:
Give to Caesar(government) what belongs to Caesar(government) and to God what belongs to God. Jesus recognized the government. now please do read up what government means.

thank me later

In Nigeria, people voluntarily joins the military, they were not forced by the "authority" so one would
expect a bible-believing christian to never collect the army form let alone perform in killing combats.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by neocortex: 9:12am On Feb 06, 2017
nattty:
It is warfare, don't forget life is not fair anyway and don't be too sentimental about Christianity... you can't criticize a man who has vowed to defend his country for the purpose of peace...it's not sin to kill when you're about been killed.

Please quote a bible verse that supports your position, Christ asked his
followers to turn the other cheek, in no where in the bible did he ask
them to inflict pain on their enemy, in fact, he advised that christians
should love their enemies.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by CanadianNurse: 1:44pm On Feb 06, 2017
HardMirror:

Where are the scriptures that permits you to kill? I am waiting
Deutronomy 13:6-10, 12-15 and Deutronomy 17:2-7
Please don't even go on defense by telling me it's old testament because you will just be exposing your ignorance!
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by CanadianNurse: 1:48pm On Feb 06, 2017
Deutronomy 13:6-10, 12-15 and Deutronomy 17:2-7
Please don't even go on defense by telling me it's old testament because you will just be exposing your ignorance!
neocortex:


Israel is not a christian state, it is a jewish state.
Please cite biblical verses which support killing as a christian.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by CanadianNurse: 2:01pm On Feb 06, 2017
So much hypocrisy... cry
That's how somebody said Christian should not sell condom because it's used to commit sin
Going by you guys logic
1.christian should not sell cucumber because girls use it to Masturbate
2.christian should not sell olive oil because some boys use it to Masturbate
3.christian should not sell rat poison because it can be used to kill human beings
4.christian should not sell tramadol, cough syrup or panadol because people use it to get "high"
The list goes on and on!
Do you know that there are medical soldiers? Do you even know that there are pastors among soldiers?
When there was threat of bombing in abuja almost every church was guarded by soldiers why didn't you go against it? Even some of your pastors go about with armed policemen for protection
Or maybe a christian should not be a pharmacist because you will be manufacturing drugs

Please enough of all these hypocritical sentiments from Nigerians
I will let you read the scriptures of Deutronomy 13:6-10, 12-15 and Deutronomy 17:2-7
Please don't even go on defense by telling me it's old testament because you will just be exposing your ignorance!
YYou guys will just be acting asif God is your junior brother or u will assist him on judgement day

Are you saying no Chinese man is in heaven? Or no Muslim man in heaven? Was Abraham, Moses, elijah were they Christians?

This race is personal! Do your own I do my own
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by HardMirror(m): 2:09pm On Feb 06, 2017
CanadianNurse:
Deutronomy 13:6-10, 12-15 and Deutronomy 17:2-7
Please don't even go on defense by telling me it's old testament because you will just be exposing your ignorance!
It is old testament
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oaroloye(m): 2:27pm On Feb 06, 2017
SHALOM!

Nofuckgiven:
Catholics do not force anyone to do anything.

THE Roman Catholic Church got to where it is today through the use of Theft, Murder, Destruction, and Deception.

JOHN HAWKINS brought England into the Slave Trade by hijacking 301 Slaves from a Roman Catholic ship.

Every nation that does not recognize the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome is subverted from within by undercover Roman Catholics.

Protestant Christian Students with Roman Catholic Teachers become unable to apply what they are being taught.

Don't tell us you people don't force anyone to do anything.

You can pay tithe or not,sow seeds or not,that is how Churches are meant to be.

The Church is meant to obey The Commandments of God to the best of their ability; we are not permitted to follow the whim of men, picking and choosing what to obey, and what to disobey.

.. MATTHEW 23:23.

23. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin,
and have omitted the weightier matters of The Law,
Judgment, Mercy, and Faith:
these ought ye to have done,
and not to leave the other undone."


TEACHING THAT TITHING IS VOLUNTARY IS A DECEPTION, AIMED AT CUTTING THE REVENUES OF PROTESTANT CHURCHES.

Whereas, the Roman Catholic Church is the richest organization on Earth.

That is why it is the one and true church of Christ! cool
#proudcatholic

The Roman Catholic Church is MYSTERY BABYLON: MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

VICARIVS FILII DEI, the Papal Motto, equals 666, The Number of the Beast, in Latin gemetria.

Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by neocortex: 2:28pm On Feb 06, 2017
CanadianNurse:
Deutronomy 13:6-10, 12-15 and Deutronomy 17:2-7
Please don't even go on defense by telling me it's old testament because you will just be exposing your ignorance!

It is you who is exposing your hypocrisy,
by cherry-picking old testaments verses.

I want to ask you what makes an old testament rule binding on a christian ?

and secondly, of what use is Jesus in christians' live(especially you)
when they don't give a hoot about what he preaches but they instead advocate
for mosaic laws ?
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by hopefulLandlord: 3:06pm On Feb 06, 2017
CanadianNurse:
Deutronomy 13:6-10, 12-15 and Deutronomy 17:2-7
Please don't even go on defense by telling me it's old testament because you will just be exposing your ignorance!

neocortex:


It is you who is exposing your hypocrisy,
by cherry-picking old testaments verses.

I want to ask you what makes an old testament rule binding on a christian ?

and secondly, of what use is Jesus in christians' live(especially you)
when they don't give a hoot about what he preaches but they instead advocate
for mosaic laws ?


lol, I'm just surprised Analice107 Anas09 Felixomor Kingebukasblog Blueagent Jesuobu Doctoralien haven't given us their opinion

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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oaroloye(m): 3:25pm On Feb 06, 2017
CanadianNurse:
So much hypocrisy... cry
That's how somebody said Christian should not sell condom because it's used to commit sin
Going by you guys logic

It is only logical to suppose that you do not know the meaning of the term "logic."

1.christian should not sell cucumber because girls use it to Masturbate

Cucumber is a legitimate food, whereas its use as a intimacy gadget is an aberration of perverts, which has nothing to do with those who use it properly and decently.

2.christian should not sell olive oil because some boys use it to Masturbate

Olive Oil has several uses, none of which are sex-related.

3.christian should not sell rat poison because it can be used to kill human beings

Practically any object can be used or abused to murder someone.

Bullets have only one purpose, but can only be sold to a licensed firearm owner, who is registered against possible abuse of their weapon.

4.christian should not sell tramadol, cough syrup or panadol because people use it to get "high"

The legitimate use of medicine is to cure people of ailments.

The condom, however has only one function.

The list goes on and on!

That is because your Reasoning has no Foundation.

Your supposed points are meaningless.

Do you know that there are medical soldiers?

Of course we know, but mentioning an agreed-upon fact does not make it a legitimate point.

The fact that there are Medical Soldiers- Doctors, Nurses, Laboratory Specialists, etc. is completely irrelevant.

The point of discussion is CAN CHRISTIANS BE KILLERS.

Do you even know that there are pastors among soldiers?

"PASTOR" is a FAKE OFFICE that was FORBIDDEN by The Lord Yahshua.

. MATTHEW 23:1-15.

THEN spake Jesus to the multitude,
and to his Disciples,
2. Saying,
"The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3. "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe,
that observe and do; but do not ye after their works:
for they say, and do not.
4. "For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne,
and lay them on men's shoulders;
but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5. "But all their works they do for to be seen of men:
they make broad their phylacteries,
and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6. "And love the uppermost rooms at feasts,
and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7. "And greetings in the markets,
and to be called of men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8. "But be not ye called Rabbi:
for one is your Master, even Christ;
and all ye are Brethren.
9. "And call no man your father upon the Earth:
for one is your Father, Which is in Heaven.
10. "Neither be ye called masters:
for one is your Master, even Christ.
11. "But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12. "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased;
and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13. "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites!
For ye shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men:
for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites!
For ye devour widows' houses,
and for a pretence make long prayer:
therefore ye shall receive
The greater Damnation.
15. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites!
For ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte,
and when he is made,
ye make him twofold more the Child of Hell
than yourselves."


When there was threat of bombing in abuja almost every church was guarded by soldiers why didn't you go against it?

I was against it.

His can Worshippers of God justify having Unbelievers kill and die to permit them to disobey God daily?

Even some of your pastors go about with armed policemen for protection

Consistent with the charge that their Existence is illegitimate.

Or maybe a christian should not be a pharmacist because you will be manufacturing drugs

Only mentally-deficient persons would say that Pharmaceuticals are Evil, because someone can abuse them.

Please enough of all these hypocritical sentiments from Nigerians

But hypocritical statements from wherever it is you oozed, dropped, or whatever it us you did to get here, are fine?

I will let you read the scriptures of Deutronomy 13:6-10, 12-15 and Deutronomy 17:2-7

What don't you show us the Scriptures, so that we can all see their irrelevancy?

THE PRICE OF YAHWEH GOD'S MERCY IS THAT SINNERS CANNOT JUDGE AND CONDEMN OTHER SINNERS TO DEATH.

Anyone who knows anything about The Gospel is supposed to know that.

Sin is Sin all over the World, but we don't live in Ancient Israel, so we have neither Right nor Obligation to implement Legal Punishment- as Yahshua famously explained.

Please don't even go on defense by telling me it's old testament because you will just be exposing your ignorance!

There is no ignorance, only Truth: the Old Covenant did not bestow Eternal Life; the New Testament does; the price of that is that we must have mercy in our fellow Humans no matter how rotten they are. You are ignorant of that basic fact.

YYou guys will just be acting asif God is your junior brother or u will assist him on judgement day

Those who exaggerate their relationship with God will suffer the consequences.

But that will not exonerate you, who waste your time on Earth judging matters beyond your mental capacity.

Are you saying no Chinese man is in heaven? Or no Muslim man in heaven? Was Abraham, Moses, elijah were they Christians?

This race is personal! Do your own I do my own

What has this got to do with anything?

There are people of other races than The Covenant Race in Heaven, but they have a limit as to how closely they can approach God.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.]

Only those who come to God through The Bible have any chance of Full Access.

Those who failed to learn the things The Bible Teaches are mere garbage, whose Souls are destroyed at the moment of their Death.

Abraham went to SHEOL when he died, and other Old Testament Saints joined him in the Water World area given to him, which is called "THE BOSOM OF ABRAHAM."

Extraordinary Saints such as Moses and Elijah ascended to Heaven without dying, having fulfilled the Spiritual Requirements to do so.

An examination of their life histories shows why this was practically impossible for most non-Covenant Spiritual persons, who either ended up as fodder for Devils at their Time of Death, or else were imprisoned as a permanent Food Supply, should they survive the First Death Experience.

[See: THE ART OF DREAMING, by Carlos Castaneda.
THE ACTIVE SIDE OF INFINITY, by Carlos Castaneda.]
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by CanadianNurse: 3:53pm On Feb 06, 2017
You don't seem to understand where I am coming from because from what you wrote we are on the same page for most of your points. Note well condom isn't meant for just one purpose it used to cover the probe when running scan on women before the probe is inserted into the vagina, it can be used for family planning and also prevention of STDs... I call it hypocrisy because most people choose what sin to commit and which not to commit... There are scenarios;imagine a christian doctor starts a major operation on a patient an the patient dies in the process.....or what about blood transfusion and organ transplant is it supported in the Bible.... Christianity is far above what we know let's just run this race with the help of the Holy Spirit
oaroloye:


It is only logical to suppose that you do not know the meaning of the term "logic."



Cucumber is a legitimate food, whereas its use as a intimacy gadget is an aberration of perverts, which has nothing to do with those who use it properly and decently.



Olive Oil has several uses, none of which are sex-related.



Practically any object can be used or abused to murder someone.

Bullets have only one purpose, but can only be sold to a licensed firearm owner, who is registered against possible abuse of their weapon.



The legitimate use of medicine is to cure people of ailments.

The condom, however has only one function.



That is because your Reasoning has no Foundation.

Your supposed points are meaningless.



Of course we know, but mentioning an agreed-upon fact does not make it a legitimate point.

The fact that there are Medical Soldiers- Doctors, Nurses, Laboratory Specialists, etc. is completely irrelevant.

The point of discussion is CAN CHRISTIANS BE KILLERS.



"PASTOR" is a FAKE OFFICE that was FORBIDDEN by The Lord Yahshua.

. MATTHEW 23:1-15.

THEN spake Jesus to the multitude,
and to his Disciples,
2. Saying,
"The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3. "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe,
that observe and do; but do not ye after their works:
for they say, and do not.
4. "For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne,
and lay them on men's shoulders;
but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5. "But all their works they do for to be seen of men:
they make broad their phylacteries,
and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6. "And love the uppermost rooms at feasts,
and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7. "And greetings in the markets,
and to be called of men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8. "But be not ye called Rabbi:
for one is your Master, even Christ;
and all ye are Brethren.
9. "And call no man your father upon the Earth:
for one is your Father, Which is in Heaven.
10. "Neither be ye called masters:
for one is your Master, even Christ.
11. "But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12. "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased;
and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13. "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites!
For ye shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men:
for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites!
For ye devour widows' houses,
and for a pretence make long prayer:
therefore ye shall receive
The greater Damnation.
15. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites!
For ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte,
and when he is made,
ye make him twofold more the Child of Hell
than yourselves."




I was against it.

His can Worshippers of God justify having Unbelievers kill and die to permit them to disobey God daily?



Consistent with the charge that their Existence is illegitimate.



Only mentally-deficient persons would say that Pharmaceuticals are Evil, because someone can abuse them.



But hypocritical statements from wherever it is you oozed, dropped, or whatever it us you did to get here, are fine?



What don't you show us the Scriptures, so that we can all see their irrelevancy?

THE PRICE OF YAHWEH GOD'S MERCY IS THAT SINNERS CANNOT JUDGE AND CONDEMN OTHER SINNERS TO DEATH.

Anyone who knows anything about The Gospel is supposed to know that.

Sin is Sin all over the World, but we don't live in Ancient Israel, so we have neither Right nor Obligation to implement Legal Punishment- as Yahshua famously explained.



There is no ignorance, only Truth: the Old Covenant did not bestow Eternal Life; the New Testament does; the price of that is that we must have mercy in our fellow Humans no matter how rotten they are. You are ignorant of that basic fact.



Those who exaggerate their relationship with God will suffer the consequences.

But that will not exonerate you, who waste your time on Earth judging matters beyond your mental capacity.



What has this got to do with anything?

There are people of other races than The Covenant Race in Heaven, but they have a limit as to how closely they can approach God.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.]

Only those who come to God through The Bible have any chance of Full Access.

Those who failed to learn the things The Bible Teaches are mere garbage, whose Souls are destroyed at the moment of their Death.

Abraham went to SHEOL when he died, and other Old Testament Saints joined him in the Water World area given to him, which is called "THE BOSOM OF ABRAHAM."

Extraordinary Saints such as Moses and Elijah ascended to Heaven without dying, having fulfilled the Spiritual Requirements to do so.

An examination of their life histories shows why this was practically impossible for most non-Covenant Spiritual persons, who either ended up as fodder for Devils at their Time of Death, or else were imprisoned as a permanent Food Supply, should they survive the First Death Experience.

[See: THE ART OF DREAMING, by Carlos Castaneda.
THE ACTIVE SIDE OF INFINITY, by Carlos Castaneda.]
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Paulolistick: 5:10pm On Feb 06, 2017
let's not forget David was a king and he fought and won wars with the help of GOD or have we forgotten God even helped him kill goliath or have we forgotten about Samson how he killed in the process of protecting is people and GOD have him the strength
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by HardMirror(m): 10:21pm On Feb 06, 2017
oaroloye:


It is only logical to suppose that you do not know the meaning of the term "logic."



Cucumber is a legitimate food, whereas its use as a intimacy gadget is an aberration of perverts, which has nothing to do with those who use it properly and decently.



Olive Oil has several uses, none of which are sex-related.



Practically any object can be used or abused to murder someone.

Bullets have only one purpose, but can only be sold to a licensed firearm owner, who is registered against possible abuse of their weapon.



The legitimate use of medicine is to cure people of ailments.

The condom, however has only one function.



That is because your Reasoning has no Foundation.

Your supposed points are meaningless.



Of course we know, but mentioning an agreed-upon fact does not make it a legitimate point.

The fact that there are Medical Soldiers- Doctors, Nurses, Laboratory Specialists, etc. is completely irrelevant.

The point of discussion is CAN CHRISTIANS BE KILLERS.



"PASTOR" is a FAKE OFFICE that was FORBIDDEN by The Lord Yahshua.

. MATTHEW 23:1-15.

THEN spake Jesus to the multitude,
and to his Disciples,
2. Saying,
"The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3. "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe,
that observe and do; but do not ye after their works:
for they say, and do not.
4. "For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne,
and lay them on men's shoulders;
but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5. "But all their works they do for to be seen of men:
they make broad their phylacteries,
and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6. "And love the uppermost rooms at feasts,
and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7. "And greetings in the markets,
and to be called of men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8. "But be not ye called Rabbi:
for one is your Master, even Christ;
and all ye are Brethren.
9. "And call no man your father upon the Earth:
for one is your Father, Which is in Heaven.
10. "Neither be ye called masters:
for one is your Master, even Christ.
11. "But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12. "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased;
and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13. "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites!
For ye shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men:
for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites!
For ye devour widows' houses,
and for a pretence make long prayer:
therefore ye shall receive
The greater Damnation.
15. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites!
For ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte,
and when he is made,
ye make him twofold more the Child of Hell
than yourselves."




I was against it.

His can Worshippers of God justify having Unbelievers kill and die to permit them to disobey God daily?



Consistent with the charge that their Existence is illegitimate.



Only mentally-deficient persons would say that Pharmaceuticals are Evil, because someone can abuse them.



But hypocritical statements from wherever it is you oozed, dropped, or whatever it us you did to get here, are fine?



What don't you show us the Scriptures, so that we can all see their irrelevancy?

THE PRICE OF YAHWEH GOD'S MERCY IS THAT SINNERS CANNOT JUDGE AND CONDEMN OTHER SINNERS TO DEATH.

Anyone who knows anything about The Gospel is supposed to know that.

Sin is Sin all over the World, but we don't live in Ancient Israel, so we have neither Right nor Obligation to implement Legal Punishment- as Yahshua famously explained.



There is no ignorance, only Truth: the Old Covenant did not bestow Eternal Life; the New Testament does; the price of that is that we must have mercy in our fellow Humans no matter how rotten they are. You are ignorant of that basic fact.



Those who exaggerate their relationship with God will suffer the consequences.

But that will not exonerate you, who waste your time on Earth judging matters beyond your mental capacity.



What has this got to do with anything?

There are people of other races than The Covenant Race in Heaven, but they have a limit as to how closely they can approach God.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.]

Only those who come to God through The Bible have any chance of Full Access.

Those who failed to learn the things The Bible Teaches are mere garbage, whose Souls are destroyed at the moment of their Death.

Abraham went to SHEOL when he died, and other Old Testament Saints joined him in the Water World area given to him, which is called "THE BOSOM OF ABRAHAM."

Extraordinary Saints such as Moses and Elijah ascended to Heaven without dying, having fulfilled the Spiritual Requirements to do so.

An examination of their life histories shows why this was practically impossible for most non-Covenant Spiritual persons, who either ended up as fodder for Devils at their Time of Death, or else were imprisoned as a permanent Food Supply, should they survive the First Death Experience.

[See: THE ART OF DREAMING, by Carlos Castaneda.
THE ACTIVE SIDE OF INFINITY, by Carlos Castaneda.]
HONESTY should be the bedrock of christianity. People like canadiannurse are worse than those who are "lost". They lie and twist the word of "God" at every turn to suite their canal nature.

How can any supposed christian justify a soldier "christian"? It simply does not add up. What happened to pray for your enemies? Bless those who curse you? Be willing unto death? Christians don't want to die anymore. They are all a bunch of hypocrites.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oaroloye(m): 4:41am On Feb 07, 2017
. LUKE 9:51-56.

51. And it came to pass,
when the time was come
that he should be received up,
he stedfastly set his face
to go to Jerusalem,
52. And sent messengers
before his face:
and they went,
and entered into
a village of the Samaritans,
to make ready for him.
53. And they did not receive him,
because his face was as though
he would go to Jerusalem.
54. And when his Disciples
James and John saw this,
they said,
"Lord, wilt thou that we
command Fire to come down
from Heaven,
and consume them,
even as Elias did?"
55. But he turned,
and rebuked them,
and said,
"Ye know not
what manner of spirit
ye are of.
56. "For the Son of Man
is not come
to destroy men's lives,
but to save them."

And they went to another village.


A CHRISTIAN DOES NOT ARGUE FOR HIMSELF OR HERSELF, BUT PRESENTS THE INCONTROVERTIBLE WORD OF GOD THAT ENDS ALL ARGUMENTS.

Whoever is not with YAHSHUA is AGAINST him.

Whoever is against Yahshua is against GOD.

There is only one way to GOD: THE FATHER.

No other Religion has It.

The Defenses of The Kingdom of God are INVINCIBLE.

Commonsense directs that we should therefore APPLY THEM.

The difference between a TRUE Christian and a FAKE Christian is that TRUE Christians KNOW how to APPLY The Kingdom of God's Defenses, while the FALSE Christians DO NOT.

False Christians will always be MUCH MORE POPULAR than TRUE Christians, because SINNERS HAVE NO COMMONSENSE.

. MATTHEW 25:1-30.

"THEN shall the Kingdom of Heaven
be likened unto ten Virgins,
which took their lamps,
and went forth
to meet the Bridegroom.
2. "And five of them were Wise,
and five were Foolish.
3. "They that were Foolish
took their lamps,
and took no oil with them:
4. "But the Wise took oil
in their vessels
with their lamps.
5. "While the Bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6. "And at midnight there was a cry made,


BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH;
GO YE OUT TO MEET HIM.'


7. "Then all those Virgins arose,
and trimmed their lamps.
8. "And the Foolish said unto the Wise,


'GIVE US OF YOUR OIL;
FOR OUR LAMPS
ARE GONE OUT.'


9. "But the Wise answered, saying,

'NOT SO;
LEST THERE BE NOT ENOUGH
FOR US AND YOU:
BUT GO YE RATHER
TO THEM THAT SELL,
AND BUY FOR YOURSELVES.'


10. "And while they went to buy, the Bridegroom came;
and they that were ready
went in with him to the Marriage:
and the door was shut.
11. "Afterward came also the other Virgins, saying,


'LORD, LORD, OPEN TO US.'

12. "But he answered and said,

'Verily I say unto you,

"I KNOW YOU NOT." '


13. "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the Day nor the Hour wherein the Son of Man cometh.
14. "For The Kingdom of Heaven
is as a man travelling
into a far country,
who called his own servants,
and delivered unto them
his goods.
15. "And unto one
he gave five talents,
to another two,
and to another one;
to every man
according to his several ability;
and straightway took his journey.
16. "Then he that had received
the five talents
went and traded with the same,
and made them other five talents.
17. "And likewise he
that had received two,
he also gained other two.
18. "But he that had received one
went and digged in the earth,
and hid his lord's money.
19. "After a long time
the lord of those servants cometh,
and reckoneth with them.
20. "And so he that had received
five talents came
and brought other five talents, saying,


'Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.'

21. "His lord said unto him,

'Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.'

22. "He also that had received two talents came and said,

'Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.'

23. "His lord said unto him,

'Well done, good and Faithful Servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.'

24. "Then he which had received the one talent came and said,

'Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25. And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.'
26. "His lord answered and said unto him, 'Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27. 'Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28. 'Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29. 'For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30. 'And cast ye the Unprofitable Servant into Outer Darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' "

HardMirror:

Scriptures?
Cos I don't think so. Every murderer will go to hell. Whose orders should a christian follow? God or man? Jesus would NEVER permit a man to kill another man.

Word.

....

Why I love Jehovah witnesses. They don't have any business with politics or military. [/quote]

A TRUE Christian would never say that they loved a DEN OF ROBBERS like The JEHOVAH'S WITLESSES (sic) on the basis of some Hypocritical Act they did "FOR TO BE SEEN OF MEN."

Say what you like about the Governments of Western Civilization- but I do not believe that there is any one of them which will WITHHOLD BLOOD TRANSFUSION when it is REQUIRED TO SAVE HUMAN LIFE.

The WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY do based on a totally bogus interpretation of Scripture.

SICKLE-CELL ANAEMIA IS COMMON AMONGST BLACKS- BECAUSE IT HAD SURVIVAL VALUE IN THE FACE OF MALARIA.

Therefore, people who had it lived long enough to breed, and pass on the genetic disorder, when Malaria was killing their peers, because the parasite does not live long enough in their blood to kill them.

But by young adulthood, they may need periodic blood transfusions to survive.

The OYINBOS REASONED that since THE APOSTLES made a Commandment that Christians cannot EAT blood, that this applies to BLOOD TRANSFUSION- which did nor exist in the Apostles' Time.

OYINBOS CANNOT GET SICKLE-CELL ANAEMIA.

The Purpose of applying this Commandment to Africans therefore, IS TO KILL BLACKS.

When Black Jehovah's Witlesses were ordered by their White Masters to DEPRIVE THEIR BLACK BRETHREN OF BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS THEY NEEDED TO LIVE, they COMPLIED, as THEIR obedient Black Slaves.

Wherefore YAHSHUA (who was BLACK himself,) DECREED that NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS.

YAHSHUA is THE LIFE; Hyprocrites are DEATH.

We LOVE our ENEMIES because Yahshua COMMANDED it- not because of their hypocritical antics.

Also, THE NEW TESTAMENT has ELEVEN different terms the Hypocritical Oyinbos decided to just call "LOVE."

The one which YOU mean is NOT in The New Testament.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Immorttal: 6:07am On Feb 07, 2017
I,ve read through the comments and all I see is Christians disagreeing against themselves, height of delusion.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oaroloye(m): 6:33am On Feb 07, 2017
SHALOM!

Immorttal:
I,ve read through the comments and all I see is Christians disagreeing against themselves, height of delusion.

Allow me to blow your mind with this AMAZING NEW CONCEPT?

"JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE,
THAT DOES NOT MEAN
THAT YOU CAN SEE WELL,
NOR THAT YOU KNOW
HOW TO USE YOUR EYES PROPERLY,
AND LOOK IN THE RIGHT DIRECTIONS,
AT THE RIGHT THINGS!"


.. MARK 8:22-26.

22 And he cometh to Bethsaida;
and they bring a blind man unto him,
and besought him to touch him.
23. And he took the blind man by the hand,
and led him out of the town;
and when he had spit on his eyes,
and put his hands upon him,
he asked him if he saw ought.
24. And he looked up, and said,
"I see men as trees, walking."
25. After that he put his hands again
upon his eyes,
and made him look up:
and he was restored,
and saw every man clearly.
26. And he sent him away
to his house, saying,
"Neither go into the town,
nor tell it to any in the town.


YOU SAY YOU CAN SEE, BUT CLEARLY, YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO USE VISION EFFECTIVELY.

You say that you see Christians argue against themselves. SO WHAT?

Who CARES what CHRISTIANS think or say?

The ONLY important opinion is THAT OF YAHSHUA.

How can anyone else be important? Are they the ones going to INDWELL you, and give you EVERLASTING LIFE? Would your prayers to God in THEIR Names be ANSWERED AFFIRMATIVELY?

So why are you wasting your precious time considering HUMAN OPINIONS?
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oaroloye(m): 7:44am On Feb 07, 2017
CanadianNurse:
You don't seem to understand where I am coming from because from what you wrote we are on the same page for most of your points. Note well condom isn't meant for just one purpose it used to cover the probe when running scan on women before the probe is inserted into the vagina, it can be used for family planning and also prevention of STDs...

The one purpose of the Condom is to insert things intp the vagina without direct contact.

It does not really work as popularly advertized, because the latex conform has pores which can be penetrated by the AIDS VIRUS, though not by Spermatozoa.

I generally know what I am talking about.

I call it hypocrisy because most people choose what sin to commit and which not to commit...

. 1st JOHN 3:1-10.

BEHOLD, what manner of Love
The Father hath bestowed upon us,
that we should be called The Sons of God:
therefore the World knoweth us not,
because It knew him not.
2. Beloved, now are we The Sons of God,
and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that,
when he shall appear,
we shall be like him;
for we shall see him as he is.
3. And every man that hath this Hope in him
purifieth himself,
even as he is pure.
4. Whosoever committeth Sin transgresseth also The Law:
for Sin is the transgression of The Law.
5. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our Sins;
and in him is no Sin.
6. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not:
whosoever sinneth hath not seen him,
neither known him.
7. Little Children, let no man deceive you:


"HE THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS
IS RIGHTEOUS,
EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS."


8. He that committeth Sin is of the Devil;
for the Devil sinneth From The Beginning.
For this Purpose the Son of God was manifested,


"THAT HE MIGHT DESTROY
THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL."


9. Whosoever is Born of God doth not commit Sin;
for His Seed remaineth in him:
and he cannot Sin,
because he is Born of God.
10. In this the Children of God are manifest,
and the Children of the Devil:
whosoever doeth not Righteousness is not of God,
neither he that loveth not his Brother.


CHILDREN OF GOD CANNOT COMMIT SINS: PERIOD.

HYPOCRITES put the cart before the horse, and ACCEPT FLATTERY that they ARE Children of God, then, when they Sin, they conclude that Scripture does not mean what it says, because THEY are "CHILDREN OF GOD," and THEY SIN.

. . PROVERBS 7:1-27.

MY Son, keep My Words,
and lay up My Commandments with thee.
2. Keep My Commandments,
and live;
and My Law as the apple of thine eye.
3. Bind them upon thy fingers,
write them upon the table of thine heart.
4. Say unto Wisdom,


"THOU ART MY SISTER;"

and call Understanding thy kinswoman:
5. That they may keep thee
from the Strange Woman,
from the stranger
which flattereth with her words.
6. For at the window of my house
I looked through my casement,
7. And beheld among the simple ones,
I discerned among the youths,
a young man void of Understanding,
8. Passing through the street near her corner;
and he went the way to her house,
9. In the twilight,
in the evening,
in the black and dark night:
10. And, behold,
there met him a woman
with the Attire of an Harlot,
and subtil of heart.

11. [She is loud and stubborn;
her feet abide not in her house:
12. Now is she without,
now in the streets,
and lieth in wait at every corner.]

13. So she caught him, and kissed him,
and with an impudent face said unto him,


14. “I HAVE PEACE OFFERINGS WITH ME;
THIS DAY HAVE I PAYED MY VOWS.
15. “THEREFORE CAME I FORTH TO MEET THEE,
DILIGENTLY TO SEEK THY FACE,
AND I HAVE FOUND THEE.
16. “I HAVE DECKED MY BED
WITH COVERINGS OF TAPESTRY,
WITH CARVED WORKS,
WITH FINE LINEN OF EGYPT.
17. “I HAVE PERFUMED MY BED
WITH MYRRH, ALOES, AND CINNAMON.
18. “COME,
LET US TAKE OUR FILL OF LOVE UNTIL THE MORNING:
LET US SOLACE OURSELVES WITH LOVES.
19. “FOR THE GOODMAN IS NOT AT HOME,
HE IS GONE A LONG JOURNEY:
20. “HE HATH TAKEN A BAG OF MONEY WITH HIM,
AND WILL COME HOME AT THE DAY APPOINTED.”


21. With her much Fair Speech
she caused him to yield,
with the Flattering of her Lips she Forced him.
22. He goeth after her straightway,
as an Ox goeth to the Slaughter,
or as a Fool to the Correction of the Stocks;
23. Till a Dart strike through his Liver;
as a bird hasteth to the Snare,
and knoweth not that it is for his life.
24. Hearken unto me now therefore,
O ye Children,
and attend to the Words of My Mouth.
25. Let not thine heart decline to her Ways,
go not astray in her Paths.
26. For she hath cast down many Wounded:
yea, many Strong Men have been Slain by her.
27. Her house is the Way to Hell,
going down to the Chambers of Death.


. PROVERBS 26:24-28.

24. He that hateth dissembleth with his lips,
and layeth up deceit within him;
25. When he speaketh fair, believe him not:
for there are seven abominations in his heart.
26. Whose hatred is covered by deceit,
his wickedness shall be shewed
before the whole Congregation.
27. Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein:
and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him.
28. A lying tongue hateth those that are afflicted by it;
and a flattering mouth worketh ruin.


. LUKE 14:7-11.

7. And he put forth a Parable
to those which were bidden,
when he marked how
they chose out the Chief Rooms;
saying unto them.
8. "When thou art bidden
of any man to a wedding,
sit not down in The Highest Room;
lest a more honourable man than thou
be bidden of him;
9. "And he that bade thee and him
come and say to thee,


'GIVE THIS MAN PLACE;'

and thou begin with shame
to take The Lowest Room.
10. "But when thou art bidden,
go and sit down in The Lowest Room;
that when he that bade thee cometh,
he may say unto thee,


'FRIEND, GO UP HIGHER:'

then shalt thou have worship
in the presence of them
that sit at meat with thee.
11. "For whosoever exalteth himself
shall be abased;
and he that humbleth himself
shall be exalted."


All they are is just BRAGGARTS who are in for a BIG SURPRISE on Judgment Day.

. MATTHEW 7:12-29.

12. "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you, do ye even so to them:
for this is The Law and The Prophets."
13. "Enter ye in at the Strait Gate:
for Wide is the Gate, and Broad is the Way,
that leadeth to Destruction,
and many there be which go in thereat:
14. "Because Strait is the Gate, and Narrow is The Way,
which leadeth unto Life, and few there be that find it.
15. "Beware of False Prophets,
which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16. "Ye shall know them by their Fruits.
Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17. "Even so every good tree bringeth forth Good Fruit;
but a corrupt tree bringeth forth Evil Fruit.
18. "A Good Tree cannot bring forth Evil Fruit,
neither can a Corrupt Tree bring forth Good Fuit.
19. "Every Tree that bringeth not forth Good Fruit
is hewn down, and cast into The Fire.
20. "Wherefore by their Fruits ye shall know them.
21. "Not every one that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord,'
shall enter into The Kingdom of Heaven;
but he that doeth The Will of my Father Which is in Heaven.
22. "Many will say to me in That Day,


'LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT
PROPHESIED IN THY NAME?
AND IN THY NAME
HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS?
AND IN THY NAME
DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?'


23. "And then will I profess unto them,

'I NEVER KNEW YOU:
DEPART FROM ME,
YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.'


24. "Therefore whosoever heareth
these Sayings of mine, and doeth them,
I will liken him unto a Wise Man,
which built his House upon a Rock:
25. "And the rain descended, and the floods came,
and the winds blew, and beat upon that House;
and it Fell not: for it was founded upon a Rock.
26. "And every one that heareth
these Sayings of mine, and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto a Foolish Man,
which built his house upon the Sand:
27. "And the rain descended, and the floods came,
and the winds blew, and beat upon that House;
and it Fell: and Great was The Fall of it."
28. And it came to pass,
when Jesus had ended these Sayings,
the People were astonished at his Doctrine:
29. For he Taught them as One having Authority,
and not as the scribes.


MY UNIQUE TEACHING on "JUDGMENT DAY" is that EVERY DAY is "Judgment Day."

Whenever anyone calls on Yahshua, and on God, THEY ARE SUBJECTED TO JUDGMENT- to ASSESS whether God should MANIFEST to then or not.

It is a PRINCIPLE; God ALWAYS abides by It, and has ALWAYS abided by It.


There are scenarios;imagine a christian doctor starts a major operation on a patient an the patient dies in the process.....

What is a "CHRISTIAN DOCTOR?"

. DEUTERONOMY 22:9-11.

9. Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard
with divers seeds:
lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown,
and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled.
10. Thou shalt not plow
with an ox and an ass together.
11. Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts
as of woollen and linen together.


HOW WOULD THAT WORK?

Did YAHSHUA Teach MEDICINE in some "Lost Gospel somewhere?

Does GOD need ASSISTANCE from SCIENCE?

Or does Medical Science have ANYTHING to learn from The Bible, which its Doctors can use to treat patients?

There is no such thing as a "CHRISTIAN DOCTOR."

or what about blood transfusion and organ transplant is it supported in the Bible....

How could Blood Transfusion and Organ Transplant be supported by The Bible, when that Technology didn't exist back then?

. MATTHEW 9:16-26.

16. "No man putteth a piece of new cloth
unto an old garment,
for that which is put in to fill it up
taketh from the garment,
and the rent is made worse.
17. "Neither do men put new wine into old bottles:
else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out,
and the bottles perish:
but they put new wine into new bottles,
and both are preserved."
18. While he spake these things unto them,
behold, there came a certain ruler,
and worshipped him, saying,
“My daughter is even now dead:
but come and lay thy hand upon her,
and she shall live.”
19. And Jesus arose, and followed him,
and so did his Disciples.
20. And, behold, a woman,
which was diseased
with an issue of blood twelve years,
came behind him,
and touched the hem of his garment:
21. For she said within herself,


"IF I MAY BUT
TOUCH HIS GARMENT,
I SHALL BE WHOLE."


22. But Jesus turned him about,
and when he saw her, he said,
"Daughter, be of good comfort;
thy Faith hath made thee whole."
And the woman was made whole from that hour.
23. And when Jesus came into the ruler's house,
and saw the minstrels and the people making a noise,
24. He said unto them,
"Give place:
for the maid is not dead,
but sleepeth."
And they laughed him to scorn.
25. But when the people were put forth,
he went in,
and took her by the hand,
and the maid arose.
26. And the fame hereof went abroad
into all that land.


IT WOULD BE THE HEIGHT OF ABSURDITY FOR GOD TO TELL PEOPLE TO TURN AWAY FROM HIM, WHO COULD EVEN RESTORE THE DEAD, AND HEAL ANY BODILY PROBLEM, TO USE THE WASTEFUL AND EXPENSIVE METHOD OF TAKING ANOTHER PERSON'S BODY PART, AND GRAFTING IT INTO THE SICK PERSON'S BODY!

Christianity is far above what we know let's just run this race with the help of the Holy Spirit

ONLY if one is talking about REAL Christianity- which is the DISCIPLESHIP OF YAHSHUA- can that statement make any sense at all.

This is not wanted in any Church I have ever heard of- including that of the Apostles in Jerusalem.

. ACTS 5:1-11.

BUT a certain man named Ananias,
with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2. And kept back part of the price,
his wife also being privy to it,
and brought a certain part,
and laid it at the Apostles' feet.
3. But Peter said,
"Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart
to lie to the Holy Ghost,
and to keep back part
of the price of the land?
4. "Whiles it remained,
was it not thine own?
And after it was sold,
was it not in thine own power?
Why hast thou conceived this thing
in thine heart?
Thou hast not lied unto men,
but unto God."
5. And Ananias hearing these words fell down,
and gave up the ghost:
and great fear came on all them
that heard these things.
6. And the young men arose,
wound him up,
and carried him out,
and buried him.
7. And it was about the space of three hours after,
when his wife,
not knowing what was done,
came in.
8. And Peter answered unto her,
"Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much?"
And she said,
"Yea, for so much."
9. Then Peter said unto her,
"How is it that ye have agreed together
to tempt The Spirit of The LORD?
Behold, the feet of them
which have buried thy husband
are at the door,
and shall carry thee out."
10. Then fell she down straightway at his feet,
and yielded up the ghost:
and the young men came in,
and found her dead,
and, carrying her forth,
buried her by her husband.
11. And great fear came upon all the Church,
and upon as many as heard these things.


IF WE ARE TO TAKE THIS TESTIMONY AT FACE-VALUE, EVERYTHING YAHSHUA SAID ABOUT "MERCY" AND "FORGIVENESS OF SINS" WAS A LIE.

Ananias and Sapphira were shown no mercy, and no forgiveness.

It was the DUTY of the Church to implore God for mercy for their Brethren, and to not depart from where they were, until God had restored their Brother Ananias from the dead. Not only did that not happen, but they all complied to withhold the information from Ananias' wife, Sapphira, that her husband was dead, in order to trap her.

That took precedence over loving her as themselves.

Therefore, when Satan came for STEPHEN- who was guilty by association- they were POWERLESS to raise him, nor any other martyr from the dead!

IT IS OYINBO CHURCH TRADITION to DEIFY the "APOSTLES," and PRETEND that their UTTERANCES and THEORIES are THE WORDS OF GOD- but that is NOT what YAHSHUA told us to believe! We are told to believe HIS WORDS before anyone else's- if we want EVERLASTING LIFE.

. MATTHEW 15:12-14.

12. Then came his Disciples,
and said unto him,
"Knowest thou
that the Pharisees were offended,
after they heard this Saying?"
13. But he answered and said,
"Every plant,
which my Heavenly Father
hath not planted,
shall be rooted up.
14. "Let them alone:
they be blind leaders of the blind.
And if the blind lead the blind,
both shall fall into the ditch."
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by nattty(m): 9:28am On Feb 07, 2017
neocortex:


Please quote a bible verse that supports your position, Christ asked his
followers to turn the other cheek, in no where in the bible did he ask
them to inflict pain on their enemy, in fact, he advised that christians
should love their enemies.
Okay if you are in a circumstance where you are about to be slapped allow them slap ur 2 cheeks or about to be killed allow them kill you okay, coz I don't think you need a bible verse alone to protect yourself..even king david fought against his enemy in the bible so what are we saying??
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oaroloye(m): 1:05pm On Feb 07, 2017
SHALOM!

nattty:

Okay if you are in a circumstance where you are about to be slapped allow them slap ur 2 cheeks or about to be killed allow them kill you okay, coz I don't think you need a bible verse alone to protect yourself..even king david fought against his enemy in the bible so what are we saying??

WELL, YOU ARE NOT A WORSHIPPER OF GOD- SO WHAT HAS ANY OF THIS GOT TO DO WITH YOU?

coz I don't think

YOU HAVE SPOKEN VERILY: "YOU DON'T THINK," PERIOD.

Who is "KING DAVID" compared with YAHSHUA?

David was not in The Kingdom of Heaven.

. LUKE 7:19-28.

19. And John calling unto him two
of his Disciples sent them to Jesus, saying,
"Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?"
20. When the men were come unto him, they said,
"John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying,


'ART THOU HE THAT SHOULD COME?
OR LOOK WE FOR ANOTHER?' "


21. And in that same hour he cured many
of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits;
and unto many that were blind he gave sight.
22. Then Jesus answering said unto them,
"Go your way, and tell John what things
ye have seen and heard;
how that the blind see, the lame walk,
the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear,
the dead are raised,
to the poor The Gospel is preached.
23. "And blessed is he,
whosoever shall not be offended in me."
24. And when the messengers of John were departed,
he began to speak unto the people concerning John,
“What went ye out into the wilderness for to see?
A reed shaken with the wind?
25. “But what went ye out for to see?
A man clothed in soft raiment?
Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled,
and live delicately, are in Kings' Courts.
26. “But what went ye out for to see?
A Prophet?
Yea, I say unto you,
and much more than a Prophet.
27. “This is he,
of whom it is written,


'BEHOLD, I SEND MY MESSENGER
BEFORE THY FACE,
WHICH SHALL PREPARE
THY WAY BEFORE THEE.'


28. “For I say unto you,

'AMONG THOSE THAT ARE BORN OF WOMEN
THERE IS NOT A GREATER PROPHET
THAN JOHN THE BAPTIST:
BUT HE THAT IS LEAST
IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD
IS GREATER THAN HE.' “


KING DAVID was LESS than THE LEAST CHRISTIAN- so why should we care what he did in his Time- which COST HIM EVERLASTING LIFE?

. DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9.

4. Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love
The LORD thy God with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul,
and with all thy Might.
6. And These Words,
Which I command thee this Day,
shall be in thine heart:
7. And thou shalt teach them
diligently unto thy Children,
and shalt talk of them
when thou sittest in thine house,
and when thou walkest by the way,
and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
8. And thou shalt bind them
for a sign upon thine hand,
and they shall be as frontlets
between thine eyes.
9. And thou shalt write them
upon the posts of thy house,
and on thy gates.


IF DAVID- OR ANY OF THE OLD TESTAMENT SAINTS- HAS LOVED GOD WITH ALL OF THEIR HEART, ALL OF THEIR SOUL, AND ALL OF THEIR MIGHT, THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND A BETTER WAY THAN TO KILL PEOPLE- NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY DESERVED IT.

You NEVER find God telling people: "X has to die!" and people reply: "Oh no, God- there's got to be a better way!" except ONCE- and that led to the man who told God that HE knew better FORFEITING THE FRUITS OF HIS LABOUR.

People seem to have learned the wrong lesson from that- and therefore, instead of WORKING HARDER TO DEAL WITH THEIR ENEMIES WITHOUT KILLING, they eagerly killed- even their own Brethren.

It was a TEST- which they consistently FAILED.

. MATTHEW 18:1-9.

AT the same time came the Disciples unto Jesus, saying,
"Who is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven?"
2. And Jesus called a little child unto him,
and set him in the midst of them,
3. And said,
"Verily I say unto you,


'EXCEPT YE BE CONVERTED,
AND BECOME AS LITTLE CHILDREN,
YE SHALL NOT ENTER INTO
THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.'


4. "Whosoever therefore shall
humble himself as this little child,
the same is greatest in The Kingdom of Heaven.
5. "And whoso shall receive
one such little child in my Name receiveth me.
6. "But whoso shall offend
one of these little ones
which believe in me,
it were better for him that a millstone
were hanged about his neck,
and that he were drowned in the Depth of the Sea.
7. "Woe unto the World because of offences!
for it must needs be that offences come;
but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8. "Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee,
cut them off,
and cast them from thee:
it is better for thee
to enter into life halt or maimed,
rather than having
two hands or two feet
to be cast into Everlasting Fire.
9. "And if thine eye offend thee,
pluck it out, and cast it from thee:
it is better for thee
to enter into Life with one eye,
rather than having two eyes
to be cast into Hell Fire."


YAHSHUA'S DISCIPLES NEVER EXPERIENCED THIS "CONVERSION" THAT YAHSHUA WAS TALKING ABOUT.

Therefore they tried their best to BLOCK THE ROAD (OFFEND) for every other Christian who tried to read Yahshua through them.

ENVY.

. LUKE 10:17-24.

17. And the seventy returned again with joy, saying,
"Lord, even the Devils are subject unto us
through thy Name."
18. And he said unto them,
"I beheld Satan as lightning fall from Heaven.
19. "Behold, I give unto you Power
to tread on Serpents and Scorpions,
and over all the Power of the Enemy:
and nothing shall by any means hurt you."
20. "Notwithstanding in this rejoice not,
that the spirits are subject unto you;
but rather rejoice, because your Names
are written in Heaven."
21. In that Hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said,
"I thank thee, O Father, Lord of Heaven and Earth,
that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them unto babes:
even so, Father; for so it seemed good in Thy Sight.
22. "All things are delivered to me of my Father:
and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father;
and Who the Father is, but the Son,
and he to whom the Son will reveal him."
23. And he turned him unto his Disciples, and said privately,
"Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
24. "For I tell you,


'THAT MANY PROPHETS AND KINGS
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.' "


Whereas YAHSHUA had Taught them THE KEY to PHYSICAL INVULNERABILITY, they ALL decided that they would RATHER DIE THEMSELVES, than let anyone else have it- and use THE GOSPEL better than THEM, and so inherit THE TOP REWARDS that they thought they had earned.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Godlychild: 1:39pm On Feb 07, 2017
In other words, bro?
It is a matter of your conscience and/or choice.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oaroloye(m): 4:11pm On Feb 07, 2017
cummando:
Its a job!!!!!!
Once in uniform anything you do is on the country.

Which Religion told you that?

. NUMBERS 35:9-34.

9. And The LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
10. "Speak unto the Children of Israel,
and say unto them,


'WHEN YE BE COME OVER JORDAN INTO THE LAND OF CANAAN;
11. 'THEN YE SHALL APPOINT YOU CITIES TO BE CITIES OF REFUGE FOR YOU;
THAT THE SLAYER MAY FLEE THITHER,
WHICH KILLETH ANY PERSON AT UNAWARES.
12. 'AND THEY SHALL BE UNTO YOU CITIES FOR REFUGE FROM THE AVENGER;
THAT THE MANSLAYER DIE NOT,
UNTIL HE STAND BEFORE THE CONGREGATION IN JUDGMENT.
13.' AND OF THESE CITIES WHICH YE SHALL GIVE
SIX CITIES SHALL YE HAVE FOR REFUGE.
14. 'YE SHALL GIVE THREE CITIES ON THIS SIDE JORDAN,
AND THREE CITIES SHALL YE GIVE IN THE LAND OF CANAAN,
WHICH SHALL BE CITIES OF REFUGE.
15. 'THESE SIX CITIES SHALL BE A REFUGE,
BOTH FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL,
AND FOR THE STRANGER,
AND FOR THE SOJOURNER AMONG THEM:
THAT EVERY ONE THAT KILLETH ANY PERSON UNAWARES MAY FLEE THITHER.
16. 'AND IF HE SMITE HIM WITH AN INSTRUMENT OF IRON,
SO THAT HE DIE,
HE IS A MURDERER:
THE MURDERER SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH.
17. 'AND IF HE SMITE HIM WITH THROWING A STONE,
WHEREWITH HE MAY DIE, AND HE DIE,
HE IS A MURDERER:
THE MURDERER SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH.
18. 'OR IF HE SMITE HIM WITH AN HAND WEAPON OF WOOD,
WHEREWITH HE MAY DIE, AND HE DIE,
HE IS A MURDERER:
THE MURDERER SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH.
19. 'THE REVENGER OF BLOOD HIMSELF SHALL SLAY THE MURDERER:
WHEN HE MEETETH HIM, HE SHALL SLAY HIM.
20. 'BUT IF HE THRUST HIM OF HATRED,
OR HURL AT HIM BY LAYING OF WAIT, THAT HE DIE;
21. 'OR IN ENMITY SMITE HIM WITH HIS HAND, THAT HE DIE:
HE THAT SMOTE HIM SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH;
FOR HE IS A MURDERER:
THE REVENGER OF BLOOD SHALL SLAY THE MURDERER,
WHEN HE MEETETH HIM.
[b][i]22. 'BUT IF HE THRUST HIM SUDDENLY WITHOUT ENMITY,
OR HAVE CAST UPON HIM ANY THING WITHOUT LAYING OF WAIT,
23. 'OR WITH ANY STONE, WHEREWITH A MAN MAY DIE,
SEEING HIM NOT, AND CAST IT UPON HIM, THAT HE DIE,
AND WAS NOT HIS ENEMY, NEITHER SOUGHT HIS HARM:
24. 'THEN THE CONGREGATION SHALL JUDGE
BETWEEN THE SLAYER AND THE REVENGER OF BLOOD
ACCORDING TO THESE JUDGMENTS:
25. 'AND THE CONGREGATION SHALL DELIVER
THE SLAYER OUT OF THE HAND OF THE REVENGER OF BLOOD,
AND THE CONGREGATION SHALL RESTORE HIM TO THE CITY OF HIS REFUGE,
WHITHER HE WAS FLED:
AND HE SHALL ABIDE IN IT UNTO THE DEATH OF THE HIGH PRIEST,
WHICH WAS ANOINTED WITH THE HOLY OIL.
26. 'BUT IF THE SLAYER SHALL AT ANY TIME COME
WITHOUT THE BORDER OF THE CITY OF HIS REFUGE,
WHITHER HE WAS FLED;
27. 'AND THE REVENGER OF BLOOD FIND HIM
WITHOUT THE BORDERS OF THE CITY OF HIS REFUGE,
AND THE REVENGER OF BLOOD KILL THE SLAYER;
HE SHALL NOT BE GUILTY OF BLOOD:
28. 'BECAUSE HE SHOULD HAVE REMAINED IN THE CITY OF HIS REFUGE
UNTIL THE DEATH OF THE HIGH PRIEST:
BUT AFTER THE DEATH OF THE HIGH PRIEST
THE SLAYER SHALL RETURN INTO THE LAND OF HIS POSSESSION.
29. 'SO THESE THINGS SHALL BE FOR A STATUTE OF JUDGMENT UNTO YOU
THROUGHOUT YOUR GENERATIONS IN ALL YOUR DWELLINGS.'


30. "Whoso killeth any person,
the Murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses:
but one witness shall not testify against any person
to cause him to die.
31. "Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction
for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death:
but he shall be surely put to death.
32. "And ye shall take no satisfaction
for him that is fled to the city of his refuge,
that he should come again to dwell in the land,
until the death of the priest.
33. "So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are:
for blood it defileth the land:
and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein,
but by the blood of him that shed it.
34. "Defile not therefore the land which ye shall inhabit,
wherein I dwell: for I the LORD dwell among the Children of Israel."


IF YOU KILLED SOMEONE, EVEN BY ACCIDENT, YOU COULD NOT GO HOME AGAIN- IT WOULD AFFECT THE LAND.

Off it you are human.
That's why they are called zombies...tools
The other adversary is a symbol not a personperson
Heaven is sure for soldiers. That follow orders. No matter what

You sound like a Mental Case! Is this supposed to be English?

Soldiers are not headed for Heaven because:

(1) They would not be able to pass the Death-Angel Challenge.

. MATTHEW 26:51-52.

51. And, behold, one of them which
were with Jesus stretched out his hand,
and drew his sword,
and struck a servant of the high priest's,
and smote off his ear.
52. Then said Jesus unto him,
"Put up again thy sword into his place:
for all they that take the sword
shall perish with the sword."


NOBODY KNEW WHAT THIS MEANT FOR A THOUSAND YEARS- then, the Roman Catholic Church discovered America, and the Native Americans had means to perceive exactly what happens at the time of Death: an Entity manifests to requisition a TOTAL RECALL account of a person's life, on-the-spot. Should one fail to do so, the Entity stabs the Soul-Body with a swordlike probe before it can deploy, extracting the memories by force.

If it does that, that Soul Body is doomed- it starts to cave in on itself.

Spirit Being scavengers then come to feast on the remains.

This means all the stories about people going automatically to Heaven, after their "Last Rites" are lies.

The Roman Catholic Church responded by exterminating everyone who had this Knowledge.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.
THE ACTIVE SIDE OF INFINITY, by Carlos Castaneda.]

(2) Murdering someone because some Master told you that you should is the worst excuse.

. MATTHEW 6:24.

24. "No man can serve two masters:
for either he will hate the one, and love the other;
or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God and mammon."


. LUKE 12:1-5.

IN the mean time,
when there were gathered together
an innumerable multitude of people,
insomuch that they trode one upon another,
he began to say unto his Disciples first of all,
"Beware ye of the Leaven of the Pharisees,
which is hypocrisy.
2. "For there is nothing covered,
that shall not be revealed;
neither hid,
that shall not be known.
3. "Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness
shall be heard in the light;
and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets
shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.
4. "And I say unto you my Friends,


'BE NOT AFRAID OF THEM
THAT KILL THE BODY,
AND AFTER THAT HAVE NO MORE
THAT THEY CAN DO.'


5. "But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear:

'FEAR HIM,
WHICH AFTER HE HATH KILLED
HATH POWER TO CAST INTO HELL;'


yea, I say unto you,

'FEAR HIM.' "

IT JUST MEANS THAT ONE WAS MORE AFRAID OF SOME HUMANS, AND WHAT THEY WOULD DO TO ONE, THAN OF GOD, AND WHAT HE WOULD DO TO ONE.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oaroloye(m): 4:33pm On Feb 07, 2017
SHALOM!

dallyemmy:
Luke 3:14

And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

What has this got to do with Christianity?

This has nothing to do with Christianity.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oaroloye(m): 4:36pm On Feb 07, 2017
cummando:

"Coughs" I love this


Most great men of God are actually murderers
Let's start from Abraham (went to free lot killed them like madmad)
Moses...the Egyptian..red sea
Joshua Caleb. Soldiers . liberated the land filled with milk and honey
Samuel Saul. The amalekites
David..... Philistines customer Dada... Heard he is head of choristers in heaven.


I can go on

Even Matthew killed with his pen.....( polithiefcian....taxed like mad)
And he walked with the saviour



Brother it's a job. As far as our mind is set with the saviour inside no wahala. I will even anoint my bullets so that e go dey target like heat seeker.
He understands

The Killers of The Old Testament never achieved Eternal Life- except Moses and Elijah- who killed killers of Israel.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oaroloye(m): 4:40pm On Feb 07, 2017
skillful01:
Too many contradictions in christainity/religion.


#faithful deist.

No contradiction in Christianity.

YAHSHUA specifically said, that if his Commandments were not followed, one would not be Saved- that if someone taught differently from what he said, they had no foundation, and would forfeit their Salvation.

Is that hard to understand?
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oaroloye(m): 4:42pm On Feb 07, 2017
HardMirror:

Felixomor and the rest opened the thread and picked race cheesy. Forget all the pretense christians are no different from muslims. Muslims are bold in their approach, christians try to legislate their own atrocities. Soldiers are murders and christians use them to achieve their aims.

Hypocritical Christians will be and are denounced by Yahshua.

Everyone knows that Yahshua SAID that.

One wonders what the point of all the fake Churches actually is.
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oaroloye(m): 4:47pm On Feb 07, 2017
HardMirror:

Hehehehe


I see you are scared of committing yourself. Fully knowing there are millions of "christian" soldiers who don't know they have been deceived.

There is no way that millions of "CHRISTIAN" SOLDIERS do not know that they are LIVING A LIE.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0KzmoXvyek
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oaroloye(m): 4:51pm On Feb 07, 2017
SHALOM!

HardMirror:
I remember an incidence, I was still a christian then. I told an elderly man that Jesus can't be happy with soldiers, the man realizing that christians wld be defenseless without the military rushed to defend "christian" soldiers, but I noticed his defense was not based on the bible but fire of how vulnerable christians are without the military. It is obvious than man made all these laws and God has nothing to do with christianity.

Who was this man, and where did you ask him this?

Defenselessness is what THE GOSPEL is based on.

. MATTHEW 10:16-20.

16. “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:
be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.”
17. "But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils,
and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18. "And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake,
for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19. But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak:
for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20. "For it is not ye that speak,
but The Spirit of your Father Which speaketh in you."

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