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Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Ken4Christ: 5:50pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
The New Covenant first fulfilled the 10 Commandments and after that abolished it for a superior way of life - Grace. To fulfill means to meet its righteous requirements. Jesus took our sins and gave us his righteousness. The nature of this new life is Love. When you walk in love, you will not steal, you will not kill and you will not commit adultery. Romans 13:9-10. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. Concerning the concept of sin. Under the Law, sin is the transgression of the Law. Under the New Covenant, sin is disobedience. Disobedience to the teachings of our Lord Jesus and his Apostles. These are the instructions we live by in the New Testament. For instance, our Lord Jesus said, forgive when you stand praying. If you don't forgive, you have sinned. There are several verses that warns us not to fornicate. If you fornicate, you have sinned. Hebrews 10:25 says we should not forsake the assembly of the saints together. So, if you choose to stay at home when you are supposed to be in Church, you have sinned. So, the concept of sin under the Law and under the New Testament is not the same. Besides, the new covenant places a higher standard of righteousness. For example, you have to literally kill under the Law to be a murderer. But under the new covenant, hatred for your brother makes you a murderer. You have to sleep with a married woman to be called an adulterer, but under the new covenant, when you lust after a woman, you have committed adultery. The law and grace are two mutually exclusive events. In just the same way you can't have head and tail at the same time, grace and Law cannot exist together. This is what Paul meant when he said, Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. If we argue that the 10 Commandments is still in force, what about the Law of Sabbath? Apostle Paul said no one should judge us based on keeping the Sabbath days confirming the Law and commandments have been abolished; Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. Please use Scriptures from the New Testament to present your contrary understanding to my submission in this article. God bless you all. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Splinz(m): 6:08pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
petra1: I don't think you need anyone's opinion before obeying God. I mean, the Bible is there for you bro. The thing is, people don't question why they believe what they do, they don't seek for proofs but simply follow the crowd. Take for instance, the changing of the true Sabbath day to Sunday by those who called themselves Christians. Who authorized the change- God? What is the origin and history of Sunday observance by the churches of the world? These are what you need to know, and then decide who to obey. Whether God or man. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Ubenedictus(m): 6:44pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Goshen360:I guess i'll be reading another OSAS thread soon. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:10pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
petra1: He is an Adventist. You can see that all the Bible verses were touched or highlighted in the course of making an argument for the law. Thats how we are supposed to read and understand the Bible. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:13pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Splinz: True Bro It true as long as my pastor says so not what the Bible says,this is the mentality that is destorying the church. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:17pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Ken4Christ: You just murdered the Scriptures. wat an Error. Explain to me why Paul said we should Establish the law. Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:22pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Ken4Christ: People misunderstand this Bible verse ,we are not under the law but grace.they conclude that the law has been done away with. But this is misinterpretation of the Bible. First what is under:under means to govern,manage,authority,been subjected to. The Bible defines Sin as the breaking of the law.James2:9-12 And the wages of Sin(breaking of the law is death) Romans6:23 Been under the law means been subjected to the consquences or influence or authority of the law.which means anyone who breaks the law was subjected to death penatly. as shown by this Bible verses Deuteronomy 13:6, 10; 21:18, 21; 22: 21-28, and all of Leviticus 20,you will read there are whole series of injunctions concerning the putting to death of persons who were idolaters, who were rebellious to their parents, who committed adultery or were guilty of incest, who cursed father or mother -- in fact, who violated any part of the moral code. Indeed, someone has estimated that no less than nine of the Ten Commandments are specifically mentioned in connection with the penalty of death for their violation. Grace:grace means to pardon,to show kindness,to forebear. When Jesus died. he fulfilled the requirements of the law by dieing in our place ,through his death we obtained mercy. Thats we are now nolonger subjected to death penalty as prescribed by the law, but we are now pardoned and given a second chance .but We are not given mercy that we should continue in Sin. (breaking the law) no but we should live in accordance to the law as people who have obtained mercy.Romans6:1-2, 14:15 An example of Law and grace is found in John8:1-12. When people brought and adultress woman to Jesus, and asked him to permit them to stone her to death according to the law. Jesus wrote with his finger on the ground, and when they persisted Jesus said to them. He without sin should cast the first stone. they all left one after the other, Then Jesus lookup and asked the woman.where is your accusers and the woman said they have gone. Jesus said to her i don't condem you go and sin no more( do not break the law again) this is a. typical example of grace at work.without grace the woman was supposed to die by stoning but Jesus offered her and all of us Grace(pardon,second chance). Now observe the law remains the same becos it is the law only that can point out sin ,Romans 4:15 and Romans 5:13. What changed was the dispensation of Justice instead of sinners been put to death immediately. We have now obtained grace or pardon. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:37pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: You should have been a muslim, rather than spoil christainity. Wats has gravity and areodynamics has to do with the 10Laws of God? |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:38pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: Wat is the law of liberty? and which laws are the components of the law of liberty? |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:47pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: I laugh at you. I guess you have not read this Bible verses? the same Ark of Convanent that contained the old law was seen by John, Exodus 40:20 which he saw and recorded in the Book of Revelation showing that the Law was still valid. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:50pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: By the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:20. "I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." Romans 7:7. B. To show me the difference between right and wrong. God's law is like a mirror (James 1:23-25). It points out wrongdoing in my life as a mirror points out dirt on my face. The only possible way for a person to know if he is sinning is for him to carefully check his life by the mirror of God's law. Hope for this mixed-up, sinking generation is found in God's Ten Commandment law. It tells where to draw the line! "And the Lord commanded us to do all these statutes [commandments] ... for our good always." Deuteronomy 6:24. "Hold thou me up, and I shall be safe: and I will have respect unto thy statutes continually. Thou hast trodden down all them that err from thy statutes." Psalms 119:117, 118. C. To protect me from danger and tragedy. God's law is like a strong cage at the zoo, which protects us from fierce, destructive animals. It protects us from impurity, falsehood, murder, idolatry, theft, and many other evils that destroy life, peace, and happiness. All good laws protect, and God's law is no exception. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 9:52pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
sonmvayina: You sound like an Atheists. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Ubenedictus(m): 10:30pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
blueAgent:The law of christ, the law of love and ultimately grace. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Ubenedictus(m): 10:32pm On Feb 18, 2017 |
blueAgent:hehehe, u need to read up on how to interprete imagery in revelation. It wont even touch that one. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by sonmvayina(m): 7:23am On Feb 19, 2017 |
blueAgent: No, am not..i know there is a creator of all. God i know is not a MAN..it is the totality of the conciouseness of the universe..both positive and negative..gathering every sunday to read from ancient books, sing and dance and collect peoples money is a waste of time and energy.. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by perterson111: 7:26am On Feb 19, 2017 |
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Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 1:56pm On Feb 19, 2017 |
blueAgent:I am that I am, so never mind what I should have been Moreover, I am more content, being I am that I am, than to be a muslim blueAgent:Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace; - Ephesians 2:15 I know by now you've gotten the drift but you're faking ignorance of their relationship with the 10 Laws of God because you dont want to face the truth It is a no-brainer, that the same God, who introduced the Mosaic laws is same, who established the law of gravity and law of aerodynamics, However, if honestly, you dont see the correlation the law of gravity and law of aerodynamics has with the 10 Laws of God, then here are five general ideas, they share Connection #1: The Mosaic law or the 10 Laws of God, just like the law of gravity, is always there and will continue to exist Connection #2: What the law of gravity and law of aerodynamics have to do with the 10 Laws of God (i.e. the Mosaic laws), is that the Mosaic laws, (i.e. the law of sin & death) just like the law of gravity is, can be made inoperative Connection #3: Just like the law of gravity can be stopped, can be nullified, can be cancelled, can be done away with, so the Mosaic law or the 10 Laws of God is Connection #4: Just like the law of aerodynamics, overcomes and goes beyond the limits of the the law of gravity, so does this other wonderful and superior law that overcomes and goes beyond the limits of the 10 Laws of God (i.e. the Mosaic laws) Connection #5: The law of gravity is abolished in a plane's body by another law (i.e. the law of aerodynamics) in the same manner, just like the 10 Laws of God (i.e. the Mosaic laws) mentioned in Ephesians 2:15 above, are abolished in Jesus' flesh by another law (i.e. the law of the Spirit of life) MuttleyLaff MuttleyLaffs 1 Like |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Nobody: 8:25pm On Feb 19, 2017 |
blueAgent: Correct sir. Unfortunately, people always get the two confused. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 11:57pm On Feb 19, 2017 |
Goshen360:"For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. - Exodus 35:2 Dont only ask whether he keeps the Sabbath or not. Ask him too, does he enforce the precept, underlined in Exodus 35:2 above? Splinz:They keep only the reinstated nine laws restored from ten abolished laws nailed on the cross for public display Ubenedictus:I thought you already know that he likes exceeding his prerogatives wherenever the subject of sabbath is tabled blueAgent:Even if it's ceremonial Sabbaths, the truth remains that weekly sabbath has been abolished MZLady39:though it is an unfortunate confusion and easy mixing up oversight to make it doesnt diminish the biblical facts and truth that the fourth commandment (i.e. remember the sabbath to keep it holy) was abolished and unlike its nine other commandment counterparts not restored or reinstated |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Nobody: 5:51pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Ok Sir Muttley, You may provide scriptural references to back up your theory/belief...however as I always say, let's "agree to disagree". |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 10:52pm On Feb 20, 2017 |
MZLady39:So which of two group of sabbatarians would you be? Are you an observer of Saturday as sabbath or an observer of Sunday as a sabbath? MZLady39:Oooookay, Lady MZ "agree to disagree" over what gangan paapaa? |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 11:07am On Feb 21, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: It Obvious you don't. know your Bible. Every one can claim to love God. so for you to prove that you love God you must obey his laws, the question is which laws? I guess you have read this verse. John 14:15 If you love me, keep my commandments. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Goshen360(m): 2:09pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: Lol....not really but the word is true. He that is born of God CANNOT sin. It's either we know what he's saying or we dont. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Goshen360(m): 2:11pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
blueAgent: And those commandments are the 10? |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 2:41pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
Goshen360: Kikiki ki |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 3:47pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: So Jesus was drunk when he said this? Matthew5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 2 Likes |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 3:51pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 3:59pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
sonmvayina: |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 4:01pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
sonmvayina: You are not serious 1 Like |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 4:51pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
blueAgent:It won't be a first to be drunk with the spirit. You should try it. Now, talking of this Matthew 5:19 verse you unashamedly put up. Have you ever sat down to think about what commandments was Matthew 5:19 talking about. SMH Have another go but try harder, just don't tie yourself up in knots |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Nobody: 5:14pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Love the pic Sir Muttley! Am honored to have received one for my post! I'm an observer of the original Sabbath (Saturday) and that is the only Sabbath I now honor...with all due respect and not judging those that do not. Sorry but don't understand what the words "gangan paapaa" mean but I will say this: You had said that the "Sabbath" was the only commandment that had been abolished. I was disagreeing with you |
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