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Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Ubenedictus(m): 5:14pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
Goshen360:the word is always true, it is the interpretation that usually causes headache. I have seen that passage interpreted so often that i can say i know a osas thread is coming soon. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Ubenedictus(m): 5:21pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
blueAgent:To get the sense of the passage please read up John 14 and 15, Jesus isnt talking about the ten commandment but his own commandment of love. jn 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 5:23pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
MZLady39:Nobody is judging anyone, exposing the truth is what has all along being going on Noooooo sister, haba, don't pull out fast one on me like that Don't misquote, misread and stop misunderstanding what I typed After all the ten commandments were abolished, all the commandments, except for the fourth commandment were restored or reinstated |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Nobody: 6:40pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Sir Muttley, Let me not get confused with you...sorry but there wasn't any intention to misquote, misread or misunderstand you or pull a fast one. We are trying to get the facts right..am I correct? Where we disagree is the part where you say, "After all the ten commandments were abolished, all the commandments, except for the fourth commandment were restored or reinstated" |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 10:40pm On Feb 21, 2017 |
MZLady39:No, it is me who is honored for receiving the laughter tonic you and others have been brewing up for me I love people who make me laugh and love them more when they brew me up laughter tonics MZLady39:I respect your choice and believe that exposure to truth does set one free MZLady39:Nvm but if you insist "gangan paapaa" literally means ''precisely without vagueness'' MZLady39:Madaaaaaamm, I nowhere said:'' the "Sabbath" was the ONLY commandment...'' please go over the post(s), as what you'll find I said was: ''ALL commandment were abolished but only nine were reinstituted...'' MZLady39:Its not Muttley, its the laugh, hence MuttleyLaff and I love it better without a cringy ''Sir'' MZLady39:Fact remained that I was quoted inaccurately, werent I? It's water under bridge now, nvm MZLady39:You're correct, so far we stick to getting the full facts right when next repeating or paraphrasing published posts MZLady39:You have to state clearly and in detail, leaving no room for doubt what you disagree with gangan paapaa in: "After all the ten commandments were abolished, all the commandments, except for the fourth commandment were restored or reinstated" |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Goshen360(m): 1:52am On Feb 22, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: We can explore that on another thread or some other times if you so wish but certain not OSAS thing. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Goshen360(m): 2:05am On Feb 22, 2017 |
blueAgent: 1 John 3:23. The problem with you guys is, whenever or wherever you see the "commandments", y'all quickly think or conclusion it's the 10. He never said, keep THE 10 commandments but rather, keep MY commandments. Jesus commandments ARE NOT SAME as the 10 commandments. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 8:27am On Feb 22, 2017 |
blueAgent: Goshen360: blueAgent: Goshen360:The ''commandment'' in 1 John 3:23 is a translation from the Greek word ''entole'' and it is a simple and specific authoritative order focusing on the final result of an activity(ies) or focusing on the end result of processing other Jesus' and NT commandments The objective and centre of interest of the specific authoritative order (i.e. commandment) given in 1 John 3:23, glaringly is love (i.e. that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another as He commanded us) Love is in the detail of all Jesus' and NT commandments and 1 John 3:23 is used to simplify them The simplicity of 1 John 3:23, without getting a sense of being overloaded, allows us to understand all His commandments quicker and easier Goshen360:It is a rookie blunder and false conclusion to think that way Others are posting here because they have something to say... but, blueAgent is posting because blueAgent just has to say something Goshen360:In fact, Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your brothers. You must listen to everything he tells you (i.e. Him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever He shall say unto you) - Acts 3:22 “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to Him you shall listen - Deuteronomy 18:15 Well, this depends who they are listening to. Listening to Moses, or listening to Jesus and the NT Goshen360:Jesus' and the NT commandments ARE ALMOST THE SAME as the 10 commandments Jesus' and the NT commandments ARE the 10 commandments, less one, RELOADED It is apparent that less one commandment, is enough for Jesus and the NT |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:59am On Feb 22, 2017 |
Goshen360:I'll wait and see. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Ubenedictus(m): 9:10am On Feb 22, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: actually the new command of love encompass the 9 commandment and even more. The scope of those commandments have been expanded. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 9:57am On Feb 22, 2017 |
Ubenedictus:Exactly my sentiment, less is more The "new commandment" is a specific authoritative order. It is the pinnacle of all Jesus' and the NT commandments. Its objective and final outcome is LOVE, this ultimately manifests when you abide and follow other Jesus' and the NT commandments. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by sonmvayina(m): 11:15am On Feb 22, 2017 |
Just asking...did the old testament not say anyone who is coming to change the law of moses is a false prophet....and the messiah was coming to establish a world wide observance of the law of moses and restore the daily sacrifice to God(Marduk).,and restore peace in the world.. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 1:40pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: You are wrong. the Ten Commandments hang from these two commands like our 10 fingers hang from our two hands. They are inseparable. Love to God makes keeping the first four commandments (which concern God) a pleasure, and love toward our neighbor makes keeping the last six (which concern our neighbor) a joy. Love fulfills the law by taking away the drudgery and by making law keeping a delight ( Psalms 40:. When we truly love a person, honoring his or her requests becomes a joy. Jesus said," If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14:15. It is impossible to love the Lord and not keep His commandments, because the Bible says, "This is the love of God, that we keep His commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:3. "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." 1 John 2:4. So what are the commandments of God? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 1:45pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Please tell me what the commandments is? 1 Like |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 1:51pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: You see the Law of liberty you claim that is different from the 10commandments is a big lie. ReadJames 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. James is making referrence to the ten commandments. it is only in the ten commandments that God explictly told people not to commit adultery or not to kill. You see the law of liberty is the same as the ten commandments which james said we will be judged by. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 1:57pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Stop posting rubbish you cannot defend from the Bible. I guess you have not read this Bible verses. "It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail." Luke 16:17. "My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." Psalms 89:34. "All his commandments are sure. They stand fast for everand ever." Psalms 111:7, 8. This verses say that not even a dot or T will be removed from the law, So where did you see that one law(the Sabbath was done away with)? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 2:37pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
blueAgent:Say pretty please blueAgent: Goshen360 is right, you're fixated on The Ten Commandments and that's why I gave you Deuteronomy 18:15 and Acts 3:22 up there, but it seems there are yet to sink in with you. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 2:51pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: What has Deuteronomy 18:15 and Acts3:22 have to do with God's law? |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 2:57pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
blueAgent:The person through who those ten commandments came through, in those two verses, tells you who to listen to and to listen to whatsoever the Person tells you. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by blueAgent(m): 3:01pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: And what did the person tell us? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Splinz(m): 3:13pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
Goshen360: You said Jesus gave a new commandment which is love? Cool. So what did that same Jesus tells you love is? I think it is better for you to refrain from talking about love, since you do not know what is love or what it entails. Most saddening is the fact that efforts have been made to make you understand what love is. But no, the carnal mind will always hate God and His commandments. So, just keep on making your 'wishful thinking' arguments, not love. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 3:27pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
blueAgent:You have a bible don't you In it, you'll find all that Jesus commands us and all the NT tells us to do. Trust me, when you go through it, you will find Jesus commanding us and the NT explicitly telling us about all the Ten Commandments but without any mention of the fourth commandment Mary once said about Jesus: "Whatever He may say to you, do it" Moses, before her too, about Jesus said: "Listen to Him and do whatsoever He says Who you gonna listen to? God the Son or Moses? |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Splinz(m): 3:30pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
blueAgent: Be easy on these people. You should know that as carnal men (Romans 8:7), they'll always hate the commandments of God, neither can they submit to Him. They'll do everything and even embrace wishful thinking & self-deceit that it is no more. So let God be true and every man a liar (Romans 3:4). Remember the instructions in 2 Timothy 2:23, and be guided accordingly. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 3:51pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
Splinz:Keep on encouraging him but you both will have a rude awakening when on the day of giving account, you find that when put on charge of lying, you are not referred to Leviticus 19:11 nor Exodus 20:16 but you are referred to NT Ephesians 4:15 Every charge for violating the "reloaded ten commandments less one", will be making references to the New Testament verses similar to Ephesians 4:15. Don't let the truth piss you off. You better start liking this truth, but if not, then lump it |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Ubenedictus(m): 4:22pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff:ON point. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Ubenedictus(m): 4:30pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
blueAgent:I guess what u are looking for is an excuse for sabbath abi? |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Ubenedictus(m): 4:34pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
blueAgent:The law of liberty is actually bigger than the old law so dont be suprised that do not kill is there. what u wont find though is sabbath. 1 Like |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 4:57pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: Kikikiki ki |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by urheme: 5:13pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
Old covenant is outward circumcision.....Ten commandment is different from covenant being that it is regarded as law. covenant is like a contract between man and God sealed by the mark of circumcision......the new covenant is that .. God has promise to make him self known to every man that non may have to tell them that He is God... God is sealing this covenant in the conscience and heart of men. that is why as a Christian you now have a living conscience Old Law stand abolished once it is repealed. |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by Nobody: 6:09pm On Feb 22, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff, My apologies for you not liking "sir". It's a respect thing. But I will respect your choice. Laughter and humor is good for the soul when it's not at the expense of another. Thanks for the decent conversation and your respect of my faith. You know what I believe.... so we're good...... I see however, that you like to play on words......interesting..but you know and I know....that you very clearly understand what I believe |
Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by openmine(m): 2:07am On Feb 23, 2017 |
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Re: Does The New Covenant Abolish The Ten Commandments? by MuttleyLaff: 8:01am On Feb 23, 2017 |
MZLady39:Your tone and words already conveyed it and I know you had good intentions with the ''sir'' thing but using ''sir'' just became intolerable for me MZLady39:Claiming the sabbath hasnt been abolished is indefensible but when posters whose ID we wont mention try to put up a defence, what they write is so feeble and ridiculous as to deserve laughter or making fun of Opting for the former, is why you see me downing the laughter tonic instead of outrightly make fun of post(er) MZLady39:Wouldnt it be nice, if other posters are as mature and unruffled as you are We can have a fall out, without needing to or taking it personal Besides, thats the beauty of law of liberty, to respect your choice, as it's based on the current level of recognition and understanding MZLady39:No, I dont like to play on words, my words are crystal clear but some posters, inadvertently and some other posters with hidden agendas, inaccurately paraphrase some posts of mine they cant come to terms with Whenever I share information or when exposing truths, I like making conscious efforts in selecting right words to use in my posts so in essence, what I like doing is, to deliberately and intentionally pick certain words or phrases for maximum effect in all my communications Maybe because my wordings, most times can be uncompromisingly forthright, that is why some think ''I like to play on words'' MZLady39:I clearly understand that you believe in keeping the fourth commandment but do you believe you're an Israelite too? Do you also believe in the strict enforcements in Exodus 31:14? MZLady39:All the 10 commandments at some point stopped being binding but before you start crying blue murder, almost all were brought back The same 10 commandments, less one (i.e. the fourth commandment) were brought forward in the NT Each one of the ten commandments, except for the fourth commandment were and are explicitly reintroduced or reinstituted by Jesus or the NT MZLady39:28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. - Matthew 11:28-29 Yes there is no specific day of rest for believers. Jesus gives us rest. Jesus Christ is now our rest We have rest from the work of flesh. Jesus is the rest. Jesus is the true rest |
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