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Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 5:47pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: Guy, you lot are well known for dictating to people who they should be, what ancestry they should claim and even what language they should speak, or what their languages sound like. You and your clique have done so, on different threads. Why can't you just allow people to decide for themselves what they truly are or what they want to be? Why can't you let them declare categorically what their language sounds like? Must you decide for them? can you see how you chaps just like causing confusion and trouble? Like I said before let the Igala indigenes come in here, and say categorically what their language sounds like or not! To the best of my knowledge, I have NOT seen a yoruba community or group claiming that the Igalas are Yoruba, or trying to force a Yoruba identity upon them. They have not even claimed the Itsekiris as part of the Yoruba community. They respect their differences. It is only you and your people that like dragging other ethnic groups along with you. Chai!! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Probz(m): 5:50pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
laudate:Quit throwing your dollies out the pram, kid. If you actually use your eyes to read you'll see that I was asking about the rate of Igala people speaking Yoruba in addition to their Yoruboid language. I didn't say anything wrong. And either you're taking the piss or confusing me with someone else since it wasn't even me who outright claimed Ika people are Igbo (more the opposite if anything). I've always said you're a very confused nigga and you're not doing much to make me think different. Know your place. 2 Likes |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 5:57pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
Probz: Probz: You see... I do not like engaging toddlers like you. You chaps are often unable to sift fact from fiction. This was the same way you started on the 'Ika vs. Igbo origins' thread the last time, only for you & your clique to end up foisting a mono-Igbo identity on the Ika, even when the Ika people kept insisting on their dual-Igbo-and-Edo heritage. All kinds of postulations, insults and e-fisticuffs were exchanged on that thread. You now want to go down the same route on this thread, not so? Hehehe.....your nonsense will not work! 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 6:04pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
[s] laudate:[/s] You are still not making sense. Much ado about nothing. Keep it up. 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Probz(m): 6:05pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
laudate:"I’ve researched this topic for time and my understanding is that there's three distinct groups in Anioma (Delta Ibo) - two Edoid-Igboid (Ika, Ukwuani/Ndokwa) and one Igbo proper (Enuani), that the latter (the only genuine, authentic Igbos who inhabit Delta Igboland) can be found around Asaba/Oshimili/Aniocha area, that "Bendel Igbos," as my mum calls them, (Ika and Ukwuani people) are culturally Edoid groups who happen to speak Igboid languages and that close proximity and the vague similarity in language is why a people who are essentially Bini are lumped in with the real Delta Igbos (Enuani). In exactly the same sense as that if true Yorubas occupied an area in (let's just say) Delta State with Igalas and Itsekiris, all three groups would all be known as "Delta Yoruba" since they're all linguistically Yoruboid and because they'd share neighbouring proximity with each other, forgetting that there's only one true group of Yorubas who inhabit that area - i.e., the Yorubas, not the other two non-culturally Yoruba groups who happen to speak Yoruboid languages (and not even Yoruba proper). I tend to agree with the assertion that one and only true Igbos of Anioma are Enuani since I've encountered Enuani Igbos who hail from Asaba who are in literally every respect just as Igbo as a typical south easterner from Enugu or Anambra and the Ika-Ukwuani (Bendel) stock people who speak languages that share similarities with Igbo but who you couldn't in a million years imagine sipping palmy and chopping nkwobi in Ishiagu and red cap. grin Ditto for Rivers folk. I know authentic Igbos can be found in the Bonny-Opobo axis (said to be, at least in part, descendants of settlers from the Awka-Orlu axis) but as for Ikwerres, does the fact that they happen to speak an Igboid language mean that they're also culturally Igbo (or at least before the civil war) and could someone fill me in on the other Igboid/Igbo groups of Rivers (Etche, Ndoni, etc.). I've looked for info. online and there's next to nothing on Wikipedia at least for Etches. My question is, could someone fill me in on the Ikas and Ukwuanis of Delta and the Ikwerre, etc., of Rivers? Ika and Ukwuani definitely don't fall under the banner of Igbo proper but Igboid in a linguistic sense (even if you might well argue that their dialect is more intelligible than Nsukka/Ebonyi dialects) but are these people culturally Igbo or Edoid, etc.? I've only researched this for some time so my understanding's limited but that's the conclusion through reading and my own experiences with some of these folk." That was my first post on that Delta Igbo thread. It was me that was insisting that Ukwuanis and Ikas aren't Igbo but Edo-Igbo hybrids (I even coined the term Edoid-Igboid) and that was my understanding at the time of making said thread. Igala people aren't Yoruba and the language isn't but Yoruboid. An outsider like me can only go off intonation rather than individual lexicon but Igala when spoken sounds very Yoruba-like and it forms a language cluster with Olukwumi, Itsekiri and Yoruba as Yoruboid languages and you know this. 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Afam4eva(m): 6:07pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
Probz:Okun people from the Kabba axis are mostly Yorubas but there are some of them that prefer to call themselves Okun rather than Yoruba, not because they don't like the Yoruba tag. They're more similar to what Aniocha/Oshimili is to Igbos than Ika/Ukwuani/Ikwerre. So, invariably they're proudly Yorubas. 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Afam4eva(m): 6:12pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
Probz:Your posutlations seem to come from a place of personal opinion rather than facts. The fact that Enuani is more similar in dialect to mainstream Igbos or more accepting of their Igboness does not negate the fact that the Ika, Ukwuani and Ikwerre question is a settled one. You can't go about calling them Edos thereby disregarding the Igbo content inherent in them. There will be no need to argue whether Ika is Igbo or not wihtout any concrete evidence. Anyways, i think what you should be saying instead, is those who have accepted their Igboness versus those who don't want to be called Igbos and would rather be called what they choose. For instance in rivers state, the Ikwerres are the most anti-Igbo Igbo elements but in places like Etche, it's not as hostile. Infact, a lot of Etche people have no problem if you call them Igbo, likewise people from the Egbema axis. 3 Likes |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Probz(m): 6:13pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
Afam4eva: Have I not just said that was my understanding at the time of making the thread? |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by YourNemesis: 9:37pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
laudate: Nobody is calling Igalas Yoruba, and Yorubas are clearly not claiming them in anyway, but the Language surely does sound Yoruba. I even learnt that in the core North, they are regarded as one and the same with Yoruba people. What is your tribe sef. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 10:10pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
YourNemesis: Guy, just leave me and these so-called 'Igbo/Igboiid clique' that like to determine other people's ethnicity for them. I never said that the Yorubas are claiming Igala. I just asked the so-called 'Igbo/Igboiid clique' to allow the Igalas to determine what their language sounds like, and allow the Igala indigenes to describe their own ethnicity by themselves. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Probz(m): 10:23pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
laudate:No one's deciding anything about their ethnicity but their language is Yoruboid and that's for show to any casual observer. You've got no point. |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 10:33pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
Probz: Guy, save the epistle for your brethren. I do not need your long defensive explanation on the Ika/Ukwuani vs the Igbo/Igboiid ethnic question. There is no need to rehash it here. I followed that thread in detail, so do not digress from the main subject that is under discussion, here. The issue is how you and your clique like ascribing a particular ethnic identity or ancestry to a group, without their permission. Na wetin?? Why not let the Igala indigenes themselves tell you what their language sounds like or what their ethnic identity is. You are the one to dictate to them that their language sounds Yoruboid, not so?? Wait first, do you speak Yoruba as well as Igala? So why all these postulations about how Igala is Yoruboid? Leave the Igala indigenes to tell you exactly what their own language sounds like. If one of them comes in here, to say that their language is not Yoruboid, I know you and your clique would go up in arms trying to shove it down their throats, on how Yoruboid it is, or how many Yoruba clusters their language belongs to! Leave Igala indigenes to determine what exactly their language is! Chai! |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 10:34pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
Probz: Hmmnn.....dem don start. Didn't I say it? |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 10:36pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: Yes...it would not make sense to you. How would it? It does not fall in line with your tendency to dictate to other ethnic groups what their identity should be, or what their language should sound like! mtcheew! Continue rambling.... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Probz(m): 10:37pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
laudate: Igala language is officially classed as Yoruboid. That's what their language is defined as and this shakara you're doing on this thread doesn't change that. |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 10:42pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
Probz: What is languished?? I no talk am? I knew you would go down this route. You started this thread on a note of enquiry, and you have now rushed into a definitive lane by dictating what kind of language Igala resembles, or what class it belongs to. Why am I not surprised?? Stop dictating to the Igala what their language is or what it is not! |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Probz(m): 11:29pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
laudate:My friend shut up or commot for here. Igala is a Yoruboid language. End of. Anyone can see languished was a typo for language. 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by 9jakool: 11:43pm On Mar 10, 2017 |
bigfrancis21:Yeah so called "standard language" is often based on more simplified versions of the language. I guess it's alright because it's easier to learn. |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by YourNemesis: 1:00am On Mar 11, 2017 |
laudate: What are you even talking about? I am guessing you are from one of these tribes in the NC that want to deny the linguinstic links of Yoruba and Igala. If this language does not sound like Yoruba to you, then I don't know what will... Heck, I even understand some of it!. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR8AAuMJe_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfmcO0v3v9o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kEzXuT2L3M 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 7:54am On Mar 11, 2017 |
YourNemesis: Oga, what is your problem? Was my last remark addressed to you? You can guess as much as you like. That is your own kettle of fish. I told you before to leave me alone with this IPOB crew, who like to dictate to everybody what their ethnicity should be, and what their language sounds like. Instead, you are here trying to form I-too-know (ITK). Ok, the language in your videos does NOT sound Yoruba to me. What will you now do? Carry Cane? Haba!! Face your calabash, o! Let the Igala indigenes tell me what their language sounds like! 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 7:59am On Mar 11, 2017 |
Probz: I don talk am! See dem! IPOB crew that have now decided to dictate to the Igala, the constituents of their language. Are you tired of dictating to the Ika on your other thread, that you have now come to face the Igala? If you knew for a fact that it was a Yoruboid language, what was the essence of opening a whole thread? You wanted to advertise the fact that you knew more about the Igala language than the Igalas themselves, or you just felt like dictating to the Igalas what their language should be or what it sounds like? You and your clique have done it on other threads, so why am I not surprised? Hug the nearest transformer with wet hands, if you don't like my comments! Raw-bb-ish! 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Probz(m): 8:21am On Mar 11, 2017 |
laudate: Hian. See mumu. It wasn't me claiming Ika and Ukwuani people as Igbo initially. Go and read the thread. This thread's not even about Igala people only but Kogi State as a whole. It's you who had to pick up on the Igala thing specifically and derail the thread. Igala and Itsekiri are Yoruboid languages and everybody knows that. Come and fight me from behind the screen na. |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 8:28am On Mar 11, 2017 |
Probz: See this one. You are now dodging the issue by saying that it wasn't you claiming "Ika and Ukwuani people as Igbo initially". Uh? You forgot that I read through all the pages on that thread and even made comments. You may not have claimed it initially, but you definitely ended up declaring it eventually to them and even supported those who were trying to drown out Ika voices, that kept insisting on their dual Edo/Igbo heritage. Now you are coming in here to form 'innocent.' Hehehe...we know your antics. Continue with your recital, dictation, chants and advertisement of Igala and Itsekiri are Yoruboid languages. You will soon end up telling us what Kogi State is owing you by the time everyone gets to the end of this thread. Did anyone tell you that the Kogi people do not know the major and minor tribes in their state? Or you just want to dictate to the Kogi people what the ethnic composition of their state should be? We are watching, in 3D! 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Probz(m): 8:33am On Mar 11, 2017 |
laudate: The dodo I'm frying is about to burn so I won't even bother replying properly to any of that for now. All I can say is you've obviously got an agenda to push and you should look for a kiddies forum to post on. Any smart 17-year-old kid could come up with the nonsense you type on this forum. 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 8:52pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
Probz: Frying dodo is your new excuse??! Oya, clap for yourself. Like I asked you before, now that your recital, dictation, chants and advertisement of Igala and Itsekiri are Yoruboid languages has been completed, let us know what the Kogi people are owing you that you had to devote a whole thread to their matter...? I am sure a 3-year old toddler like you can answer that question, not so? 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 12:52am On Mar 12, 2017 |
Probz: Probz just quit responding to him. He's a known troll on this forum. In case you don't know he enjoys this thing he's doing. |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by YourNemesis: 1:20am On Mar 12, 2017 |
laudate: lol, so what does it sound like to you? Gbagyi or Jarawa? At this rate, It will probably take me less than 8 weeks to master the remaining rudiments of Igala language that are unknown to me. I am even thinking of vacationing 1 month in Idah to do just that sef. I know you have an agenda.... but try to be rational when trying to carry it out. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by AkinPhysicist: 3:22am On Mar 12, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: the emboldened is thrash 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 8:42am On Mar 12, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: Hehehe.... why am I not surprised? When you cannot come up with a better line of thought, you resort to name-calling. Troll, my left foot! |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 8:46am On Mar 12, 2017 |
YourNemesis: Guy, I don talk say make you leave me and these IPOB people. Na wetin? Who has an agenda? Na you dash me agenda? Ok, now that you have mentioned the word 'agenda', can you tell me exactly what the agenda is, or what kind of agenda you think I have? As for being rational, you should be directing your advice to your IPOB friends, o! They have the highest number of awards for irrationality. Just do a content analysis of all their threads on NL! 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 9:15am On Mar 12, 2017 |
AkinPhysicist: You dey mind dem? I have lived, schooled and worked in Lagos as well as other parts of Nigeria, and I am yet to meet a Yoruba community or person trying to label Igala as Yoruba, or trying to drag the Igala into their fold. They have not claimed even the Itsekiri yet, is it now the Igala they would drag? when you attend Itsekiri social & political gatherings, you will observe mutual respect between both groups, when they relate with each other. Hehehe.... everyone knows those who specialise in dragging other ethnic groups into their clique, in order to populate their proposed republic. It is the IPOB crew. Shey, you can see the angle from which they started this thread? They began with the issue of language. Soon, they will digress to the issue of culture, and then they will land in the realm of ancestral ties and ethnic identity. It is at that point they will start dictating to the Igala what their ancestral history should be, and how they believe it unfolded through the ages. As if the Igala and other tribes in Kogi, asked them for a tutorial. Anyone with a contrary opinion will be derided by the IPOB crew. They are silly revisionists. They have done it on other threads before. We know their antics! We are watching in 3D. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 9:36am On Mar 12, 2017 |
AkinPhysicist: Speaking from personal experience. |
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