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Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by pazienza(m): 12:37pm On Mar 12, 2017 |
AkinPhysicist: Lol. So the "Slimy Afonja" decided once again to show up with this his alternative handle when it looked like he was being over Numbered. Lol! 2 Likes |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by pazienza(m): 12:41pm On Mar 12, 2017 |
I've looked for info. online and there's next to nothing on Wikipedia at least for Etches. There is alot about Etche on Wikipedia. Or better still, you can join Etche facebook page, to get first hand info from the people. I'm a member of Etche facebook page. 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by pazienza(m): 12:46pm On Mar 12, 2017 |
YourNemesis: Arrgh, someone tactically skipped your questions on his on his ethnic group identity. Hahaha! 2 Likes |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by AkinPhysicist: 1:55pm On Mar 12, 2017 |
pazienza: 3 Likes
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Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Olu317(m): 6:43pm On Mar 12, 2017 |
bigfrancis21:Yoruba as a nation did not at anytime lay claim over Igala but Okuns and the likes. Despite Igala/ Ebira sharing certain percentage in Yoruba Language, doesn't make them Yorubas. After all certain terms used among Yorubas are of Egypt's origin. Does this make Yorubas as Egyptians? Absolutely No!. Kindly opine your view in regards to all the contending intellectual juxtapose of contact as it concern the three groups |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by YonkijiSappo: 11:05pm On Mar 12, 2017 |
Olu317: 2 Likes |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Olu317(m): 4:37am On Mar 13, 2017 |
YonkijiSappo:Does this startled you? Perhaps you aren't conversant with Yoruba history. Do you even know Yoruba is the most researched ethnicity in the world? Yoruba ethnicity may not know much about the outside western world's curiosity and her researches being carried on them because of nonchalant approach from us. You doubt? Read Olumide Lucas' book on “The religion of the Yoruba"(1948). Honestly, being more widely read on a subject matter helps so much, that it won't be a shock once you or I find something quite revealing. One of the major detriment to many of us is as a result of non fixation on the area of specialisation. Hence, little knowledge is acquired on such subject matter. Thousands and thousands of books have been written on Yoruba history by Caucasians and the other like mind researchers. 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by 9jakool: 5:06am On Mar 13, 2017 |
Olu317:Mentioning the Egyptian is irrelevant in this matter. I think that's what he was referring to. This is between Igala and Yoruba. It's well known that the two languages diverged a long time ago. They have the same ancestral stock, but are now different languages. 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Olu317(m): 7:33am On Mar 13, 2017 |
9jakool:The point is quite consequential because, having closely related or borrowed words from one group and the other doesn't necessarily mean they are from the same family tree. Igala /Ebira / ibos/ Edos (except few elements) etc were not from Yoruba family tree. These people once had contact with Yoruba through a well organised State and towns which in absolute term was as a result of wealth creation. Many of these groups were once used as workers in husbandry work and slaves forms in ancient Yoruba setting. If you so claimed same descendants with Yoruba, then how come Yoruba developed a chain praise family panegyric. Even in the panegyric, each family status is acknowledged. Can you explain reason for this? 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Noneroone(m): 5:28pm On Mar 13, 2017 |
laudate:you are busy mentioning IPOB carelessly when it's obvious it is yorubas you have issues with. When they come for you now you'll start calling the moderators. 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 10:09am On Mar 14, 2017 |
Noneroone: Go back & read my post again. Where did I say that I have issues with Yorubas? I mentioned IPOB because it is their members that like dragging other ethnic groups by force into their proposed republic, dictating to other tribes what their ancestral history should be and what their language sounds like. Why not allow the indigenes of a place to say what their languages are or what it sounds like? |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by 9jakool: 11:24am On Mar 14, 2017 |
Olu317: Yes, they are not descendants from Yoruba family tree. The languages including Yoruba all had a non-Yoruba proto or common ancestor thousands of years ago. If a language share similar words with another language, it's either a result of borrowing or the language having diverged from an original source or both. This is why Linguists don't just rely on similar words alone to determine relationship. Phonology, sentence structure, and grammatical features can also be used to determine. When you brought up Egyptian sharing words with Yoruba as an analogy, I dismissed that, not because you are wrong, but because it was the wrong analogy. Yoruba uses tone which is very important to determine meaning, and Egyptian doesn't. So any shared words would be a coincidence and rather irrelevant in meaning. Egyptian also uses gender grammar, meaning that words have feminine and masculine forms depending on the context. This is also foreign to Yoruba. In fact Egyptian and Hausa are more related because they are afroasiatic since they have not only similar archaic cognates, but also certain features such as the gender factor and conjugation. All the groups you listed exist simultaneously and did not derived from each other. It's clear that they are not from the Yoruba family tree, but a more archaic stock that's older than Yoruba. The panegyric element of Yoruba is a result of the culture that Yoruba developed. 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Probz(m): 1:04pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
How true is it that Ebira and Igbo languages are similar? |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Olu317(m): 1:04pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
9jakool:The bottom line I am drawing here isn't about YORUBA as being EGYPTIANS but at one time did lived in that territorial landscape. This is just a reference to buttress my claim that Yoruba had lived with these set of people over 800 years or more for them to actually be able to pick certain percentage of our language. And not thousands of years as some wicked book sellers/ Historians always have claimed which is used emotionally to be attached to Odua personage to sell their books respectively. My reason to posit this is using a country like BÉNIN REPUBLIC which is a country with a trilingual background. Fon,Yoruba are spoken and French inclusive . The three languages as major spoken languages in an interwoven way if you have knowledge of these people. Despite the intricacies of these sub groups, each knows where it belongs,no matter how much of borrowed words from each other's group. Beside, Yoruba language wasn't too long ago developed because so many borrowed words such as Egyptians, Bantus, Semitic (Arab words, ancient Israel words ) exist in Yoruba Language. So, Ibo language as a case study in comparison is older through a research on “Phonetic Clues Hint Language Is Africa-Born”By NICHOLAS WADE, which identify Ibo language as ancient Egyptian language. And this simply mean it is older than Yoruba language with more archaic ancient words that were once spoken in Egypt being present in their language. |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by 9jakool: 4:41pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
Olu317: I don't think we have much in disagreement. I believe Yoruba is very archaic. I just hate the Egyptocentric theories on different West African languages which I think is irrelevant in language comparison. I've seen many of these theory that links Yoruba with Hebrew or Egyptian and I feel strongly against it. This is simply pseudoscience and it's an attempt to diminish the value of a language and culture by attaching or relating its existence to another. 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by eliteguy01(m): 5:10pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
laudate: I'm a Yoruba boy at times people come to nairaland to ease themselves by sharing of their knowledge or view to confirm if others think like them.... U see for I love whenever a person say all the southerners looks alike my granny said it because she wasn't pleased with d way is Yoruba people now look like others because they don't have any tribal mark to different them. I love it because I believe when this happens den an even community where everybody will be seen as one will be established. But DAT doesn't mean others will see it from DAT angle,DAT z human please learn to respect others opinion... Though I now believe DAT the only solution for Nigeria is to break up instead of expecting the inconceivable..into 3) Ibo,Yoruba and Hausa.. If DAT is it I know there are people who think in d same way I do,it is clear DAT ibos might be hurt if they can't have the south southerners with Dem because Ibo don't have a clear source of wealth like d Yorubas who have several amount of mineral resources including d crude oil,bitumen (2nd largest deposition in d world) to mention few..but majority of them are yet to be annexed.. Hausa have the largest land man which can have seriously in agriculture.. But I believe everyone.. But I believe no matter what they southerners generally are like "Tom and Jerry" they find a way to meet again... That z my believe.... So if anyone is trying to know their origin leave them to it.. But for now "biafra agitators" think of wat u can achieve and stop making urself bullet points," there is different between doing what is right and doing what is wise" I believe Nigerians have solution most especially the southerners but Nigeria don't... DAT z my own view 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Olu317(m): 7:55pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
9jakool:Of course yes, not as it stand. I have done so many finding and much of it has indices of Yoruba not being indigenous. In fact without any iota of doubt I have informed in One quarter of what I see as Hebraic religion in Yoruba tradition. Take for instance, ARABA in Yoruba tradition, who is the Awo Chief priest, a word similar to RABBI.I have been able to identify either Yoruba were the original foundational Hebrew or Canaanite lineage or the Yoruba were the corruption of Canaanite. I am tempted to infer that certain information and description about almighty God in the Bible didn't give a clearer description of God as done on some Odu IFA( Drawn from biblical perspective). Even the creation of word in Yoruba is more explicit than Genesis 1vs 2 , Where it was written as God spoke/said; etc. The Odu IFA went as far as describing how the word was spoken by God which was ORO turned ELA. |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Probz(m): 10:52pm On Mar 14, 2017 |
laudete, I'm no Biafra agitator and I'm not claiming anyone into the Igbo nation o. If a Yoruba man can partially sabi Igala and admit it sounds like Yoruba, why is it not okay for me to point out that Igala is a Yoruboid language? How does pointing out well-known linguistic affinity mean I'm claiming ndi Igala as even Yoruba, let alone Igbo? 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by bigfrancis21: 9:14pm On Mar 15, 2017 |
Probz: Bro you're wasting your time with that troll...ignore him...what he does is divert your attention with provoking statements and tries to get under your skin while, albeit, laughing hysterically at the same time behind the screen. On this NL, you'll learn to give some people/trolls the boot treatment sometimes. 2 Likes |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by laudate: 2:08am On Mar 17, 2017 |
Probz: Guy, go back to my previous posts and read each one with an open mind, before coming back in here to respond to my comments. My previous question to you still stands: "...now that your recital, dictation, chants and advertisement of Igala and Itsekiri are Yoruboid languages has been completed, let us know what the Kogi people are owing you that you had to devote a whole thread to their matter...?" You have not provided an answer to that question. Instead you jumped up in your Ika vs. Igboiid thread to allege that Laudate is a troll. Wait first, what kind of a jerk does that? |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Amoto94(m): 8:47pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
Probz:They are not similar. Ebira have borrowed words in Yoruba and Hausa and barely none Igbo. Ebira as an ethnic group are not only found in Kogi and there are different Ebira dialects found in Kogi . 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by OmoIgala: 9:47pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
Well, Igala and Yoruba have their similarities in terms of Language. In terms of culture, other things too like tribal marks , I think the two were connected before Igbira people came here and settled in the middle, because despite being neighbor to Igbira people we share more with Yoruba than them, that is why I say that. On the other hand, there are regional variations within Igala culture, like the Ankpa and Olamaboro people have some commonalities with our Idoma neighbors. 2 Likes |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Amoto94(m): 9:59pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
OmoIgala:Chairman its called Ebira. 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by OmoIgala: 10:06pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
Amoto94:Wait a minute, but I know some Ebiras that call themselves Egbura. The Toto and Umaisha people in Nassarawa who work on Igala farms call themselves that. 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Amoto94(m): 10:08pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
OmoIgala:Yes you're right about that but those of us in Kogi Central refer to ourselves as Ebira. |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by OmoIgala: 10:12pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
Amoto94: Ok my fellow statesman, maadahi. Etemeya? |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Amoto94(m): 10:18pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
OmoIgala:ete odaahi. ölu kolö? |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by 9jakool: 1:21am On Mar 19, 2017 |
OmoIgala: Glad to see an Igala person on the thread. I think Igala and Yoruba are just long lost siblings that diverged a long time ago and separated by the Niger river. Sometimes when I hear an Igala person speaks, I can pick up a lot of words, even a whole sentence sometimes. Even words I don't understand sound like it could be familiar. The tonality of Igala is pretty much similar to Yoruba. Here are some lit of similar words English Yoruba Igala Amen ase-ache Arrow ofa ofa Barn (store house) aka aka Battle ogun ogwu Beans ewa egwa Bitterness ikoro rikoko Black dudu edudu Blood eje ebie Bone egungun/egun egwugwu/achiku Box apoti akpati Bird eye ewe Build ko ko Cake akara akara Canoe oko-ojuomi oko-eju omi Clock ago/agogo agogo Rooster akuko aiko Come wa wa Cough iko uko Court ile-ejo unyi-ajo Crocodile oni onye Dance ijo ido Days ojo ojo Dead oku ukwu Divide pi kpe Dog aja abia Drug ogun ogwu Ear eti eti Eye oju eju Count ka kaluka Feather iye iwe Female obirin onobule Fire ina una Fish eja eja Flesh eran-ara oro-ela Flute fere ufele Food ounje ooje Fowl adiye ajuwe Freedom ominira ominolami Go lo lo Goat ewure ewo Gong agogo agogo Grave iboji ofoji Guinea fowl awo awo Herbalist onisegun/ashogun achogwu Hand owo owo Head ori oji He-goat obuko obuko Hide farapamo folakpama/maja Hoe oko ukoche You iwo uwe Hunger ebi ebi Hunting ode ode Husband oko oko I want to eat mofejeun najenwu Kill pa kpa Knife obe obe Lamb aguto aguto Leg ese ere Light ina una Load eru adu Masquerade eegungun/eegun egwu Moon oshupa ochu Mother iya iye Mouth eenu alu Musician akorin akeli Name oruko odu Next tomorrow otunla otona Nose imu imo Ocean okun iteku Palm tree ope(okpe) ekpe Palm tree branches imoope imaekpe Pick ko ko Pitifully lonely oshosho ochocho Police olopa anokpa Prayer adura aduwa Pull fa fa I am ok arami ya olami ya Red pupa ekpikpa Ridges ebe ebe Road opopona ona-okpakpa Rock apata apata Rope oku ikwu Season akoko/igba egba Shade iboji ubojima/olubo Shadow ojiji ojiji Shoulder ejika ojika Ok I didn't realize the similar cultural phenomenon like for dying children. Yoruba Igala abiku abikwu I thought this concept only exist in Yoruba. Yoruba like to think that Ebira is the closest ethnic group to Yoruba, but I think that's due to the proximity with Ebira. The sooner we can widen our head from the generalized view of Northerners as Hausa or Hausa-like groups, the more we can broaden our horizon. 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Probz(m): 10:36pm On Mar 26, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: What do you think about Nigerians using 'o' as a suffix (e.g., okay o)? Which tribe do you think can lay claim to that one? |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Olu317(m): 5:31am On Mar 27, 2017 |
9jakool:Yoruba are never lost siblings of EBIRA or Igala. Does Igala have knowledge of IJAMA writing ideology? Have you checked the development of Yoruba language from the inter land/rural areas? Have you checked alphabetic arrangement and letters being used in Yoruba land in Samuel Johnson book on “ Yoruba from The earliest time ". There isn't any need of this revision on Yoruba history. I don't know where you grew up and your family lineage but Yoruba noble and kingly families had thousands of people from the north who were used as SLAVES in the ancient times. Most of the mentioned here are all modern Yoruba word that existed when Oyo reigned in the 16th century upward. There isn't any iota of doubt about there was connections but not in siblings manner. Let me inform you and many who shared this untruthful idea that I still have knowledge of a families whose GENEALOGICAL SLAVES SERVANTS STILL EXISTS TILL DATE. They are even FULANI SLAVE SERVANTS. AND ALL SPEAKS YORUBA LANGUAGE. CAN YOU TELL ME THEY ARE YORUBA SIBLING ? Every group in Nigeria have their own story. In my lineage, we had Igala lineage that served my Patrilineal grands parents in the past 100s of years .Period! |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by 9jakool: 6:47am On Mar 27, 2017 |
Olu317: No need to get overworked with what I said. Maybe the word "sibling" isn't the right word. I'm just noting obvious similarities. OK? 1 Like |
Re: Demographics Of Kogi State by Olu317(m): 7:11am On Mar 27, 2017 |
9jakool:I am not against the connection because 66% connection which shows Yoruba had link with many group of people outside of their boundaries but not as deeply as if we are the same stock apart from the first being's lineage called ADÁMỌ or whatever names he is called by other people as the first created man . Traces of hominid speaks of it all. No bad blood my dear bro, I am just trying to inform too. |
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