pazienza:
Igbos were used to endorse OBJ in 1999 in the
sense that it was a clique of Igbo men that started
the crusade against Ekweme's candidature in
favour of Obasanjo's before IBB came and used
money to buy off the recalcitrant ones.
Igbos obviously preferred OBJ because he looked
more Anti-Awolowo than Falae - though a very
poor judgement which haunts them till today as
OBJ regime ended up being a nightmare for
Ndigbo. If you truly had no choice you would have
simply boycotted the election.
As UPGA members, Igbos boycotted the 1965
elections when they really had no choice.

Lol! Didn't GEJ in 2010 PDP primaries buy off all Northern oppositions who turned against Atiku during the primaries?
What's New?

Falae came from AD that was for all intents and purposes a Regional party with next to nothing structures in the East. How are Igbos supposed to vote for him? PDP had presence nationally including Igboland, their money bags in Igboland were allowed to rig mercilessly for them, since Igbo commoners could care less about a supposedly presidential election where the two front runners were Yorubas.

Why should you be the one to tell us when to and when not to boycott elections? Have you taken your meds?
Why should we boycott the elections? For who?

OBJ regime wasn't too bad for Ndiigbo. Igbo intellectuals showed their capabilities and why an Igbo nation will be successful. From
Akunyili,Ndukwe, Soludo, Okonjo, Ezekwesili, everything good about that regime intellectually had a touch of Igbo. It reminded us why we wanted and want Biafra so bad.

However, Northerners don’t beat their chests claiming they are too principled to be bought off unlike Igbos who hide behind a finger in most of their self adulating claims.
It is in an extremely corrupt and failed country like Nigeria that a party’s national outlook is judged by geographical spread rather than considerations of the nationalistic impact its manifesto appears to have in stall. The election that brought Abraham Lincoln as the first Republican Party candidate into office was a landslide despite the party was far from having a geographically defined national spread as of then. AD was ideologically based unlike PDP whose national spread was enhanced by the presence in every state of the federation of at least one old NPN rogue from the second republic who became the founding members. If Igbo commoners actually cared less about an all-Yoruba candidacy election, then the logical fallout should have been a boycott. But we know OBJ got block votes. However, if you credit it to massive rigging by Igbo money bags then it stands to reason that OBJ’s loss in Yoruba land indicated a principled resistance to Yoruba money bags there in contrast to the Igbos.
You are still suffering from your chronic comprehension deficiency. Are we talking of whether I am to dictate how you vote or that we are analyzing how you’ve always voted? Why do you easily get off track?
And ironically enough all the Akunyilis, Ndukwes, Soludos, Okonjos, Ezekwesilis, are unrepentant One-Nigerianists as gleaned from their utterances on the Biafara project.
One would expect that out of power now, thus a no-moral-allegiance status to the government, they should have publicly identified with Kanu or Uwazurike. But, alas! Haha!

pazienza:
As for the bolded: funny enough Buhari whom the
devil (OBJ in this case) would easily defeat in Igbo
land could not be defeated in the same election in
the same Igboland by the supreme angel and Hero
of Igbos in the person of Ojukwu. Then what does
that say of you people? You could not for the sake
of an angel of yours disgrace a man worse than
the devil. A very unfortunate tribe!
A man so bad that any devil would defeat in Igbo
land ended up undefeated by an angel of Igbo land.

You mean Buhari got more SE votes than Ojukwu in 2003? Lol! You wish!
How many votes did Katsina give Ojukwu? Our votes are ours, we give to whom we please, you are inconsequential to question our rationality.

Of course your own link confirms it that Buhari got more SE votes than Ojukwu. And by the way, your poser on how many Katsina votes Ojukwu got is off the mark because Katsinans love their own unlike Igbos who hate themselves. Is our bone of contention here about whether your votes are your rights? We are rather dissecting your hypothesis on Igbo preference of a devil over Buhari which is obviously flawed on account of Buhari’s better performance than Ojukwu in the Middle East in 2003 and his outshining of all other Igbo candidates in subsequent elections in the Same Middle East? Your penchant for derailment is astonishing.

pazienza:
The goalpost has shifted again from "Awolowo did
not demand secession" to "Awolowo demanded
secession for his treacherous game". IBB's cousin!
What could ever be treacherous in a demand to be
allowed to go solo? Treachery is a thing that
involves a plot between at least two persons or
entities. How does treachery come in here? would
you mind explaining?

Lol! I maintain that Awolowo never demanded for secession, never did I change my view on that. I only question the sincerity of his demand for Secession clause.

Yes! Awolowo was a treacherous being, only him
and his colleagues knew what they were up
to with their secession clause demand. Seeing as secession clause was supposed to help ease secession in the future if they should declare secession. It is not recorded in the annals of Nigerian history that Awolowo or Yorubas declared secession even when such opportunities presented in the future. Hehe!

You have been shown a reference where a Rivers man wrote that Awolowo-led AG presented a demand for secession on several constitutional conferences as is expected of a democrat. That Awolowo did not blindly join Ojukwu in the war does not make him treacherous. Treachery has nothing to do with seeking a constitutional provision which is hoped to forestall being trapped in an obviously unworkable union. Only you would see proactiveness and call it treachery.
It is an act of turning logic on its head for you to insinuate that Awolowo had an evil motive behind his secession clause demand made at a time when the massacre of southerners, particularly Igbos, in the North signaled that all was not going to be well with Nigeria. It was even Zik that could be accused of ulterior motive as he saw the massacre of thousands of his own brothers yet deprecated the secession clause which would have extricated his brothers from the bloodbath.
The “opportunity” which, according to you, later came for Awolowo to declare secession was a poisoned chalice. Awolowo never at any time subscribed to secession by violence hence the opportunity for violent secession which later came was not really an opportunity for him. Was Awolowo at that moment having a standing army under his command, like Ojukwu, to have enabled him take the violent option represented by the opportunity you claim later came for him? And who are you to dictate for him as to what constitutes an opportunity?

pazienza:
Secession clause translates to secession for those
who felt they were not at military advantage to
take the violent option if the country failed and
which was sure to be. Igbos rejected it because
they were already very many in the military thus
they believed they were duly empowered to go
about it violently in case the non-inclusion of it in
the constitution ended up to their disadvantage.
Funny enough Ojukwu's Aburi imput revolved
majorly around regional army which itself was as
well not a declaration of secession. So the
rejection of Aburi Accord was not a prevention of
secession. Remember we are still following your
logic?

No secession clause is not secession. It's a means to future secession which can only take place when secession is declared.

No, Zik rejected it because he had genuine albeit misguided belief in Nigerian unity, he was pan African after all, he probably erroneously felt like some still do toady that the bigger the country the more chance of making global impact and liberating the continent from the grip of the neo colonialist.
However,non of us was in Zik mind, we can only guess, but looking at the reasons he gave Northerners on why Nigerian unity was better, I'm convinced that I am not far from figuring out his mind.

Now we can agree that Aburi accord just like secession clause was not secession, they were both things that could make future secession easier.
So, yes rejection of Aburi was not prevention of secession as Ojukwu wasn't out for secession as of then, and he had yet to declare it, just as Awolowo proposition of secession clause can never amount to declaration of secession or demand for secession.

Zik read Anthropology and therefore could not deny knowledge of the fact there is no correlation between the size of a country and her capacity to make global impact. Was UK not already an example of a very small but globally very impactful country? Was Japan not a tiny country making thunderous global impact? Zik also knew deep down in his heart that Nigeria’s foundation needed to be built on a very loose constitution if it was to ever work. So cut this crap of defence you’ve building around his selfish motive- inspired belief in Nigeria’s preservation under a powerful centre.
Was the USA whose global impact supposedly inspired his belief in size/impact correlation operating a strong centre which he wanted Nigeria to operate and yet make impact like the USA? Zik was simply a monumental fraud!

pazienza:
However on a more serious note Aburi Accord was
in principle aimed at returning Nigeria to the status
quo ante of Federalism before Ironsi appeared on
stage and started disruption. But on return, the rest
Nigerians discovered that Ojukwu had infiltrated
the proposals with elements of confederalism to an
extent that even featured regional army which was
going to create room for violent secession as such
would have no regard for referendum. That was
why it was rejected by every other Nigerian. So
there is no contradiction there.

Aburi Accord meant so much more than returning the control to status quo before the Nzeogwu coup.

It was the only thing that could have saved Nigeria and kept it a progressive society and more, it made future secession for each region easier, whether peaceful or violent.

Ojukwu didn't insert anything into the accord that wasn't discussed and agreed by both parties at Aburi.

Nigerians like Edoids and Yorubas rejected Aburi not because of any "Violent" secession in the future, after all their rejection of it meant exactly that. They rejected it because they discovered on careful analysis that it made the secession of any part of Nigeria too easy.
If we are to take Akenzua serious, below was why Nigerians( Edo and Yorubas inclusive) rejected Aburi accord:

"He said in the memo that Gowon had given too
much away in Aburi and that it would lead to the
destruction of the country. He further added that
Gowon had “legalised” total regionalism which
“will make the centre very weak.” Akenzua alluded
in his memo that a weak centre would lead to
confederation and total disintegration of the
country".

In the light of the above, one begins to imagine what exactly Enahoro and Awolowo wanted to achieve with their secession clause, and exactly what Enahoro was campaigning for post civil war.

8. And I have asked you to show me just one of the Aburi agreements which could pass for a well thought-out plan to preserve Nigeria as a democracy or at least guaranty a peaceful secession by referendum.
The structure which existed in pre-Ironsi was a product of a democratic process which received the participation of representatives from all parts of the country. It therefore stands to reason that any return to the pre-Ironsi era or anything even better and more progressive should have equally come through a democratic process by civilians and civilians alone, not some hurriedly assembled agreements by soldiers who in real terms had no knowledge about constitution drafting.
If Ojukwu and Gowon were really sincere about furnishing Nigeria and Nigerians with an improved and more progressive constitution through the Aburi summit, why then did they refuse to invite the politicians who had hitherto been the only elected thus genuine representatives of the masses? Even the few civilians invited were all members of the establishment. That the Aburi summit proceedings were frequently punctuated by insults and derisive remarks on the politicians by all the military men, including the supposedly enlightened Ojukwu, was a testimonial to the anti-democratic character and intention of the outcome of the accord. So it was rightly rejected by the notable politicians of Edo, Yoruba, Hausa and even Igbo.
Akenzua was neither the Enahoro nor Awolwo who had been asking for secession and secession clause. So your attempt to use Akenzua’s speech on Aburi Accord as premise to establish contradiction between Awolowo or Enahoro’s positions pre- and post-civil war is at best dishonest and terribly demonic. And as long as Akenzua never took up arms to force Igbos from seceding he can’t be guilty of opposing secession. We are still relying on your logic. Remember?

pazienza:

Come to think of it, the Aburi Accord proposal
made no single mention of when elections would
be conducted to return the country to democracy
which was the number one expectation in
everyone's mind, it made no specific mention of
the secession clause or even how a referendum
would be conducted for any tribe that later felt the
need to exit. It was just an agreement on how
soldiers would share power among themselves
from then on. It obviously fell short of expectation.
Who in right senses would not have asked Gowon
to renege on such a blind agreement. Can you
show me the part of the Accord which specifically
mentioned referendum and outlined how such
would be conducted for any tribe desirous of exit?

Lol! And when exactly did Gowon mention his plans to return the nation to Democracy that made Edoids and Yorubas to pinch their tents with him? Was Gowon a civilian? Was there any mention of returning the country back to civilian regime in the Decree they helped Gowon draft to stand in place of Aburi Accord?

So the Edoids and Yorubas had no issues with Gowon holding all the power alone, but had issues with the power shared amongst all the military leaders of the regions, including their own regions?

Well, atleast we all now agree that Gowon for whatever reason reneged on the Aburi agreement. I know I have had to argue with Edo and Arewa-oduanistanis on that for years on this forum. We are getting to somewhere, after all.

The Aburi accord was working with the regional template of Nigeria, just like secession clause, Aburi accord wasn't about secession, hence both had no referendum offer on the table. Ultimately, each region would have had to go home and sort out their peculiar complexities, including the Eastern region.

Gowon had already started a process of returning Nigeria to democracy by his gestures of reversal of almost all Ironsi’s decrees back to status quo ante before Aburi issue came. But the Aburi summit show was practically stolen by Ojukwu with his anti-democratic but pro-military establishment proposals which expectedly got endorsement of his co-military men.Which civilian therefore, in his right senses, would prefer such over the possibility that Gowon could just come back and continue from where he had stopped in reversal to the democratic pre-Ironsi era?
Power was meant to be shared among civilians alone and not among the military whether Gowon alone or all of the soldiers from every region. Gowon might not have mentioned any date for elections but had already started the re-democratization process by his repealing of Ironsi’s decrees. Actions speak louder than words.
Aburi Accord only mirrored the Nigerian Regional System but was to be run perpetually by soldiers who could have with time got over their pains and shed differences and then transformed into a new power Oligarchy composed of soldiers from all tribes harmoniously united by the quest to plunder our collective wealth as we later saw in Nigeria’s subsequent military regimes. That was the danger Aburi Accord portended. Only fools lacked the foresight to see it.

pazienza:
If it is shameless that Edos and Yorubas are,
according to you, hiding behind Ijaws to hold
others back in Nigeria, then it was more shameless
and stupid for Igbos to have hidden under Arewa
and Britain to blackmail others with the use of
felony charges into remaining in Nigeria.
Have Edos and Yorubas ever taken up arms to stop
Ijaws from leaving Nigeria? If not for
shamelessness who are you to speak on behalf of
Ijaw on secession after once stopping them and
nearly killing their leader of it? You people are
pathetic!

Lol! Still hiding behind the Ijaws. Igbos never stopped the Edos or Yorubas from secession, that already had been established so far.

Boro issue was strictly an Eastern region affair. It had nothing to do with Edos or Yorubas.
Well, Adekunle was shooting at Anything that moved in non Igbo areas of PH.


"My grandmother Princess Okukuba
W.D.Goodhead...immediate senior sister to His
Majesty The King...was almost executed by firing
squad by the invading Nigerian Military led by her
Nephew Capt. Erasmus J.T.Princewill son of her
elder brother King J.T.Princewill,Amachree
X11....on her support for Biafra.
My grand Aunty who was nickname Madam
Biafra....grand mother of a former Foreign
Minister of Nigeria was taking through very
painful torture before execution.
My maternal uncle one of the first lawyers in the
Eastern Region never return home till his death
because of his support for Biafra.
My father was a Biafran officer in the medical
Corp.
My statement is recorded on tape....I never said
we were taught....I said we were told many stories
by our elders which we now discovered to be false"


"It is better for our Igbo brothers to learn humility
and stop this nonsense....many members of my
family were killed for their support for Biafra.My
grand uncle King Fredrick Princewill,Amachree
X111,Amanyanabo of Kalabari abdicated the
Kalabari throne because of his support for Biafra".

~ Asari Dokubo.

You are the one that brought Ijaws into an Edo- Igbo issue and you have been posturing as their spokesman, crying more than the bereaved, yet I'm supposed to be the one speaking for the Ijaw people now?

You are a stand up comedian.
Ijaw- Igbo affair as represented by Ojukwu-Boro match ups, were strictly an Eastern region affair. Many Ijaws were caught on both side of the divide then.

9. If not for poor comprehension as usual why is it taking you years to understand that Boro’s travail in Ojukwu’s hands for the “crime” of secession was a deterrent to others who had similar plans? What happened to Boro was a threat which made all other tribes discard their secession declaration plans. And that is where Edo’s Yorubas, Arewas, etc all come in, thus Isaac Boro’s issue becomes an all-Nigeria issue. The strictly Igbo-Ijaw restriction you are feeding into it does not make sense at all because it was into Nigeria Ojukwu held Boro back and not into a separate Igbo republic.
It is like arguing that other Nigerians showing concern over Fulani Herdsmen massacres of Benue people is hypocritical since they are neither Fulanis nor Benuelites, even though it remains a fact that their concern is justified against the tendency and readiness of the Fulani Herdsmen to do same to everyone else if given the opportunity.
Your argument is devoid of the commonest sense.

Agreed that Yorubas now brag about OBJ today
and venerate him obviously because he took some
anti-North stand unlike in his previous stint.
However that doesn't change the fact that as at
that moment of elections in 1999 OBJ was hated,
reviled and ostracized by the Yorubas so much that
he lost his own pollen booth, hence he was far
from being the Yorubas' candidate then. He was
more of the Biafra-Arewa candidate and that
explains why Igbos gave him bloc votes.

Yorubas never hated OBJ. In 1999, he wasn't their prefered candidate because he was running against Another Yoruba by name olu Falae, they knew they had nothing to lose, head or tail, a Yoruba wins. When in 2003, it became obvious he was the only Yoruba candidate running, Yorubas voted for him massively, the slogan was " He is our son".
OBJ swept the votes in SW in 2003. He also swept the votes in SS and SE in 1999. The Biafra-Arewa thing is a product of your hallucinations.

I did not necessarily speak about Igbos out of care,
No! I aimed at exposing their hypocrisy which
involves crying of marginalization after shooting
themselves in the foot.
Igbos are more interested in building fences with
the North than any other part of the South. It has
always been so from the beginning. It was in
Jonathan's time that they, for the very first time
identified with a Southern candidate who did not
represent the face of the Northern Oligarchy.
During MKO's election all Igbo states voted for
Tofa as against most Southern States voting for
MKO.
Zik is actually celebrated in Igboland. The way
Igbos including you rise to his defense of the
havoc his political choices wrecked on you say it
all.

No, You only ended up exposing your own hypocrisy, Igbophobia and obsession with Ndiigbo.
It's on record that Enahoro and Awolowo, both civilians formed unholy alliance with a Northern military dictator in 1967.
And currently, Edos in connivance with Yorubas betrayed a Sothern president to once again pitch tent with a Northern former military dictator.

Why should we vote for MKO? Would Yorubas had voted for an Igbo man?

Zik is not celebrated as much. But that does not mean that we would allow Igbophobic bitter beings, whose leaders were not fit to lace Zik shoe intellectually or otherwise, to tarnish his image.

"You first save the chick from the hawk, before you start blaming the mother for carelessness".~ Igbo proverb

You best believe that no Igbo man would allow Igbophobic beings to tarnish Zik image.

So the fact that Buhari's votes in Imo Is far above
the General Eastern States' average coupled with
five year-old control by APC makes Imo just an
appendage in the SE?
And the over 50% votes Ngige once got as ACN
candidate in Anambra North makes the Senatorial
district just an appendage in Anambra?
Is there a chronic disease affecting your brain?

Lol! Buhari got just 19% of the votes in Imo, he got whopping 40% in Edo. A state that is supposed to be part of SS,lol!
Imo still delivered over 70% of the votes to GEJ, despite all Okorocha efforts.

Ndi Anambra loved Ngige not ACN, moreover this your analogy is flawed. Both Ngige and Akunyili and other candidates in that election were from Anambra. Is Buhari from SS? Why then was a supposedly SS state giving him as high as 40% of its vote in an Election a SS candidate was a frontrunner?

You need help. Imagine comparing apples with oranges.

The AG members who won seats in the East were
Igbo members od AG over there. But the NCNC
seats won in the West were mostly by Igbos. One
even broke the mace in the Parliament in one of
the proceedings. So your arguement does not hold
water.
It is on record that Zik was angered by the victory
of Ernest Ikoli- a non-Igbo Southerner – in the
NYM elections, and in reaction he pulled out of the
movement. Tonye Barcanista treated that issue in
details on NL which irationally drew the ire of
Middle Easterners here. Below is the thread:

Well, Yorubas were not contesting elections under AG in the East, if they did, only then do they stand chance of winning.
Igbos were contesting for elections in the West, because the Igbo population there was substantial and that remains same today.
My argument holds.

Zik wasn't supporting an Igbo candidate in that NYM election.He was supporting a Yoruba candidate Samuel Akinsanya. That election wasn't about Ethnicity.
Your attempt of drawing Tonyebarcanista to fight your battles for you since it's obvious you are not Ijaw and your attempt to cry on their behalf is quite pathetic.
What's your game? Bring Tonye in to serve as your shield why you cry how Igbos denial of Boro secession plans affected a far away Edo man in Midwestern region?
You want Tonye to come fight your battles for you, while your greedy expansionism driven Edos and your Oba plot on how to chase Ijaws off their ancestral land in Gelegele?

Dude, you are pathetic.

So the victory of Tofa in Rivers, Anambra, Enugu,
Abia and Imo as against the victory of MKO in all
other Southern states meant that mainland Igbos
and Rivers Igboids were just an appendage of the
South?
And Osun too was an appendage of the SW for
voting Ribadu while GEJ won in all others SW
states?

Neither Tofa nor MKO were from
SE or SS, so it doesn't really matter who Anambra, Rivers, Abia, Imo voted in that election.

This wasn't same with 2015 elections. Edo is supposed to be part of SS, they are supposed to be brothers to GEJ, yet what we saw in the polls showed the true picture of things. Edo is amphoteric, a true freak of nature, more SW/ NC in orientation and political culture.

Neither Ribadu nor Buhari/ GEJ were Yorubas in 2011.
Osun can afford to vote who ever they wanted. None of the frontrunners were Yorubas. Even, the voters turn out during 2011 elections in SW was abysmal for this same reason.

Your analytical ability is near Zero.

You are a complete washout and a disgrace to
those who wasted hard earned money to sponsor
your education.
What you fail to understand is that it was even
Jonathan's candidacy (being of the SS) that made
Edo vote for PDP in 2011 as against the level of
hatred for the party due to Lucky Igbinedion's 8
catastrophic years. Same explains why Imolites did
not vote out Rochas in 2015 despite having
defected to APC. And Oshiomhole's sterling
performance was always a factor in Edo just as
Rochas' in Imo.
Did GEJ still not win in Edo State after all? Did he
not also get over 80% of Edo Votes in 2011 despite
ACN's sterling performance which should ordinarily
have made us vote against PDP thus GEJ? Are you
normal at all? Is the overriding essence of
governance not good performance?

No! In 2011, GEJ won SW and NC too. Edo being more of a NC/ SW state politically and geographically just followed suit.

He won Ekiti too? But like Edo, it was just barely.

What ACN sterling performance do you speak off in
Edo?
Well, let's also assume that ACN good governance in Imo made the people re elect Rochas, yet Imo people were able to separate regional politics from party politics and individual performance. Hence at presidential level, gave GEJ more than 70% of the votes.

One can't be asking too much by asking for 70% of votes from a supposedly SS state for a SS presidential candidate, if Imo, a SE state can afford to deliver over 70% of her votes to a SS man, simply because of defunct Eastern region solidarity.

Instead, Edo couldn't resist the Arewa pull, just like Yorubas. Guess somethings never change, huh? 40% votes for an ex military dictator that is from the North? Sounds already like 1967 all over again.

Even though Edo PDP members never termed APC
the devil's party there hasn't been any defection of
a high profile PDP member to APC in the State
since Buhari won? That is principled politicking.
There have been PDP to APC defections in Delta, in
Rivers, In Cross Rivers, In Bayelsa but not really in
Edo. Two Akwa Ibom mandate holders have
defected to APC on the floor of NASS, not to talk
of the five recent Igbo political heavyweights.
Sullivan Chime Of Enugu has just joined the fray. Is
Nnamani too having EFCC issues?



Lol! Does Edo really have much prominent politicians in Nigeria.

Anyway, the current bunch of Nigerian politicians are all corrupt, so yes, they were all running away from EFCC, since APC had been declared a gathering of saints and rival party members not currently enjoying immunity that comes with elective posts had been declared fair game and then hunted mercilessly as an exhibition to gullible cheering Nigerian populace, in the APC fight against corruption, they( politicians from rival parties) had all decided to cross over to the righteous side of APC to safeguard their loot and keep their image intact.

See Edo politicians decamping too: https://politics.naij.com/417682-osunbor-explains-why-he-joins-apc.html

https://politics.naij.com/708695-pdp-suffers-yet-another-setback-prominent-members-defect-apc-edo.html

Edo decamping members don't make news headlines because let's face it, who cares? The Igbo news are always more of bestsellers to the Nigerian populace looking to vilify the Igbo at the drop of a hat.

I sympathize with you. But sorry to inform you that
your dream to have your miserable state included
in the SS will forever remain a dream. Is it not an
irony that you are so envious of Edo being in the
SS while Edo herself does not really see anything
special about it. Someone pray tell me what is so
special about an artificial creation that a person is
having high BP about.
You call it an artificial creation yet you regret not
being in it. Is that not a manifestation of cognitive
dissonance also called "sour grapes" syndrome?
Okay come and take Edo out of SS then. If you
were more related to SS than Edo, then why is Edo
in it and you are not? Why cry more than the
bereaved?

Envious? Dude I already have Igbo brothers in SS using Edo to scrub the ground their in terms of political clout and federal appointments in the region.
I'm an Anambra man, go figure!
I'm not angry about Edo, I'm just pointing the facts. It's too bad they are too distasteful for you to swallow.

Geopolitical zones in Nigeria serve their purpose, after all, Ekwueme was amongst those who campaigned for it, but tribal allegiances will always trump everything else.
Don't come here to hide behind SS tag and claim to speak for a group you share nothing with. Even geopolitical zones are not recognized by Nigerian constitution, Abacha died before he could do that.

The Ijaws alone could not have made GEJ's
presidency possible. And who are Biafrauds who
are non-SSners to speak about GEJ's presidency?
At another time the SS presidency will be the turn
of the Edoids specifically from Edo or Delta and the
other four SS states will identify with the project
irrespective of the party pushing it.
No regions own any party permanently. parties are
fluid political platforms and APC, the so-called
devil's party, is gradually taking over the Middle
East.

Yes! Ijaws alone couldn't have made GEJ the president, but they could have done with all the vote they could get, and a supposedly SS state giving 40% of her vote to GEJ bitter rival certainly didn't help their cause, especially when you factor in the fact that REAL SS states were all pulling over 70% of votes for the SS presidential candidate.

Well, there are many Biafrans of SS origin.

Who are Igbos to talk about GEJ presidency? Well I'd let GEJ answer that question: http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/jonathan-
igbos-remain-pillar-of-my-govt/160312/

[b] Note that the bolded words are all synonyms of
coercion. Now, If Zik really stood by his promise to
maintain the use of only diplomacy in holding
Nigeria together, then why did he allow himself to
enjoy being backed by the British’s threat which
eventually forced AG to renounce her position? You
say you won’t use force to achieve an objective,
but another person backed you up with force to
achieve that very objective and you did not object
to it. Then that translates perfectly to having used
force yourself. Why not at least say to the British
“no no no no…..I don’t subscribe to your approach
in getting AG to renounce her position, let’s rather
convince them with reasons”. With that Zik would
have been absolved of complicity. All secular and
religious laws uphold that an evil you don’t
condemn at least verbally, receives your approval.
There is no neutrality between good and evil.
I did not write the book. It was written in 1970 by
someone who was a witness to the events. As long
as he is of a neutral tribe to the two tribes
contending over this clause issue then his account
is reliable. Yourself has referenced non-verbal
accounts here to substantiate your claims.
However below is a verbal utterance made by Zik
in 1948 while speaking of his desire to use force to
achieve his objectives in Nigeria. [/b]


Those were Tamuno words and opinions, no matter how much you quote them, they don't turn to facts.

Post direct quote of interview where Zik threatened to forcefully coerce Western region into Nigeria, it's as simple as that. Stop beating round the Bush!

No, many Ijaw elements were not neutral in 1970, it was the height of Nigeria FG induced Igbophobia in Ijawland, following the abandoned property saga in 1970. No Nigerian tribe was neutral towards the Igbos in 1970.

So I demand a direct quote from Zik or this Tamuno opinion will be thrown into the trash as his opinion and nothing less or more.

For example, see a direct quote from Zik:

"In 1953 the NPC under the leadership
of my good friend, the late Sardauna, threatened
to secede from the federation unless their 6-point
proposals were adhered to. I had to use personal
diplomacy. We had been personal friends since
1940". ~ Zik.

Notice the use of diplomacy there.

Another dimension to this discussion. Not that it changes the fact that opposition of the secession clause doesn't equate to prevention of secession. But it's still important to note this angle.

Was NCNC an ethnic party? Were there no non Igbos like Yorubas and Eastern minorities in NCNC as of 1953-54?
I know that Mbu was not Igbo and that NCNC had many Yoruba henchmen those days.
Was the rejection of the secession clause an NCNC policy or an Igbo policy? Were Yoruba and other non Igbo members of NCNC not in support of the party policy on secession clause as articulated and argued by Zik.

Here is a direct quote from Zik:
"I have invited you to attend this caucus because I
would like you to make clear our stand on the
issue of secession. As a party, we would have
preferred Nigeria to remain intact, but lest there be
doubt as to our willingness to concede to any
shade of political opinion the right to determine its
policy, I am obliged to issue a solemn warning to
those who are goading the North towards
secession. If you agree with my views, then I hope
that in course of our deliberations tonight, you will
endorse them, to enable me to publicize them in
the Press.
In my opinion, the Northerners are perfectly
entitled
to consider whether or not they should secede from
the indissoluble union which nature has formed
between it and the South, but it would be
calamitous to the corporate existence of the North
should the clamour for secession prevail. I,
therefore, counsel Northern leaders to weigh the
advantages and disadvantages of secession before
embarking upon this dangerous course". ~ Zik


Notice the words Zik used, "AS A PARTY". He never said AS AN ETHNIC group. seeing as NCNC was a multiethnic group.

“It would appear that the God of Africa has
specially created the Ibo nation to lead the
children of Africa from the bondage of ages. … The
martial prowess of the Ibo nation at all stages of
human history has enabled them not only to
conquer others but also to adapt themselves to the
role of preserver. … The Ibo nation cannot shirk its
responsibility.”
Find the references below most of which are
written by Igbo men. No. 4 is by a non-Nigerian.
Happy reading:
https://books.google.com.ng/books?
isbn=1847011446
allafrica.com/stories/200008140154.html
https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/.../impacts-of-
religo-tribal-consideration-in-nigeria...
http://www.iosrjournals.org/iosr-jhss/papers/
Vol17-issue5/I01755358.pdf?id=8404 - page 55
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/
soc.culture.nigeria/PY6hK0fGje8/.
dialogueseriesnew..com/2015/12/re-usa-
africa-dialogue-series-igbo_48.html
https://books.google.com.ng/books?
id=HoviDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA157&lpg=PA157&dq

I fail to see how that quote said anything about using force to coerce Yorubas/ Edos into Nigerian project. That quote was talking more about freedom from
the colonial powers.
You are simply over reaching again.

I'm yet to verify parts of that post as your links are not opening. But it's known in history that Igbos are not expansionists and had never carried out large scale war of expansionism against neighboring groups.

2. Awolowo and Enahoro went into coalition with a
Northern government as an opportunity to avenge
Igbos’ earlier collusion with the North to persecute
them. What goes around comes around.

More like they went into Coalition with a Military dictator government( let's not forget that), because they are confused treacherous fellows who are power hungry, and hence unstable.
That would explain why they went into Coalition with a Northern dictatorship.

Anyway. This is another myth busted. Before now, the news was that it was Biafran March to Ore that forced Edo and Yorubas to gang up with Gowon. But I had always maintained that Edos and Yorubas were with Gowon from day one,running after misguided vendetta and the lure of outsmarting the Khaki boys in future, and grab the number one power in Nigeria.

Little wonder someone committed suicide when it all fell apart. It must have hurt so bad.

The nearness of Shagari’s Oyo figure to that of
Anambra was obviously from the votes he got in
Ibadan from the Igbo and Hausa populations in
Diaspora there. Recall it was the state with the
largest non-yoruba population in the West back
then courtesy of being home to Ibadan the largest
West African city as of then.

I doubt if that much Igbos were in Ibadan as of then. I can't speak for Hausas. Either way, 10% of the vote is too much for a rival to get in the region of his rival, considering the ethno- regional politics of Nigeria. You can now imagine how outrageous that 40% Buhari got from Edo is.

The Bifra-Arewa union was not Phantom but even
doubly evidenced in the sense that while Shagari
choose an Igbo running mate Zik chose a Hausa
running mate from Kaduna to play up the
probability of victory of an Arewa-Biafra
government once again as was in the First
Republic.
You had to pick the winner to form a coalition with
when the election had not been held?

Lol! NPP strong holds were the North and East. Picking a Northern VP was a pragmatic approach. Moreover, which Yoruba man was ever going to leave Awolowo their cult hero and vote for Zik?

The coalition between NPP and NPN was formed after elections when NPN failed to capture Kano and Kaduna and so couldn't get the majority needed in the NASS to form the majority. It had to go into coalition with NPP, that finished third. And in the process had to concede the Speaker of house to NPP.

So yes, we had to pick the winner.

AD was ideologically based
unlike PDP whose national spread was enhanced
by the presence in every state of the federation of
at least one old NPN rogue from the second
republic who became the founding members. If Igbo
commoners actually cared less about an all-
Yoruba candidacy election, then the logical fallout
should have been a boycott. But we know OBJ got
block votes. However, if you credit it to massive
rigging by Igbo money bags then it stands to
reason that OBJ’s loss in Yoruba land indicated a
principled resistance to Yoruba money bags there
in contrast to the Igbos.

AD was nothing but a regional( Yoruba) party. So I don't know the ideology you speak of.

Why exactly should they boycott the election? In protest to what?

No! You can't rig elections where there are many vested interests, it's hard to without chaos! You rig elections where you are popular or where the people don't care, as was in Igboland during OBJ vs Falae!


It had nothing to do with principled resistance or whatsoever. Tinubu and co delivered SW to PDP in 2011 because of same voters apathy in SW in 2011 as had been in SE in 1999.

You are still suffering from your chronic
comprehension deficiency. Are we talking of
whether I am to dictate how you vote or that we
are analyzing how you’ve always voted? Why do
you easily get off track?
And ironically enough all the Akunyilis, Ndukwes,
Soludos, Okonjos, Ezekwesilis, are unrepentant
One-Nigerianists as gleaned from their utterances
on the Biafara project.

Lol! What analysis? You possess no analytical skill. You are incapable of analysis.

None of those people are chanting for the imprisonment of Biafrans and execution of Kanu. Neither are they cursing Biafra or looking for cheap blackmail built on lies to sell their one Nigerian project.

Deadlytruth:


Of course your own link confirms it that Buhari got more SE votes than Ojukwu. And by the way, your poser on how many Katsina votes Ojukwu got is off the mark because Katsinans love their own unlike Igbos who hate themselves. Is our bone of contention here about whether your votes are your rights? We are rather dissecting your hypothesis on Igbo preference of a devil over Buhari which is obviously flawed on account of Buhari’s better performance than Ojukwu in the Middle East in 2003 and his outshining of all other Igbo candidates in subsequent elections in the Same Middle East? Your penchant for derailment is astonishing.

Buhari didn't get more votes in SE than Ojukwu.

I see, When Igbos vote themselves, they are questioned on why they didn't vote others and then tagged tribalistic.
When they do vote others, they are tagged politically naive, slavish and incapable of uniting for common goals. Hehe! It's interesting how the rules are constantly being bent to cast the Igbos in the shadow of villains.

Buhari didn't outshine Ojukwu in the SE 2003.

You have been shown a reference where a Rivers
man wrote that Awolowo-led AG presented a
demand for secession on several constitutional
conferences as is expected of a democrat. That
Awolowo did not blindly join Ojukwu in the war
does not make him treacherous. Treachery has
nothing to do with seeking a constitutional
provision which is hoped to forestall being trapped
in an obviously unworkable union. Only you would
see proactiveness and call it treachery.

And I maintain that Tamuno is entitled to his own opinions and not fact. Other than his opinions, written down in a book, he is yet to provide direct quotations from Zik to prove his( Tamuno) assertions.

Treachery is claiming to abhor the North, only to embrace not even a democratic Northern government, but a military dictatorship and even went as far as becoming its mouth piece and brainbox. That's. Treachery.
Treachery is claiming to be a proponent of secession clause to make future secession easier, only to help a military dictator Marshall plans on how to entrench Unitarian government, dissolve the regional settings and create dysfunctional entities.

The “opportunity” which, according to you, later
came for Awolowo to declare secession was a
poisoned chalice. Awolowo never at any time
subscribed to secession by violence hence the
opportunity for violent secession which later came
was not really an opportunity for him. Was
Awolowo at that moment having a standing army
under his command, like Ojukwu, to have enabled
him take the violent option represented by the
opportunity you claim later came for him? And who
are you to dictate for him as to what constitutes an
opportunity?

But he subscribed to use of violence in preserving his geographical entity. What is worst? Or is this still part of his vendetta against Zik?

Exactly, I was in no position to dictate for him. But I'm well in position to dissect, expose, analyze and judge his actions and character. And that is exactly what I'm
doing.

Deadlytruth:




Zik read Anthropology and therefore could not deny knowledge of the fact there is no correlation between the size of a country and her capacity to make global impact, and also knew deep down in his heart that Nigeria’s foundation needed to be built on a very loose constitution if it was to ever work. So cut this crap of defence you’ve building around his selfish motive- inspired belief in Nigeria’s preservation under a powerful centre.

There are many Professors today in many fields of human endeavour in Nigeria who despite the knowledge of hindsight still believes that Nigeria will work in the future.

Zik was not infallible.

8. And I have asked you to show me just one of
the Aburi agreements which could pass for a well
thought-out plan to preserve Nigeria as a
democracy or at least guaranty a peaceful
secession by referendum.

Not until you show me the part of Decree 8 that made mention of Gowon relinquishing power to the civilians.

The structure which existed in pre-Ironsi was a
product of a democratic process which received the
participation of representatives from all parts of
the country. It therefore stands to reason that any
return to the pre-Ironsi era or anything even better
and more progressive should have equally come
through a democratic process by civilians and
civilians alone, not some hurriedly assembled
agreements by soldiers who in real terms had no
knowledge about constitution drafting.

Really? Yet Awolowo and Enahoro were willing to serve under a military dictator that ruled by decrees and not constitutions. How Ironic.
I don't remember Awolowo or Enahoro asking Gowon to resign before the war and hand over power to the civilians.

Power was meant to be shared among civilians
alone and not among the military whether Gowon
alone or all of the soldiers from every region.
Gowon might not have mentioned any date for
elections but had already started the re-
democratization process by his repealing of
Ironsi’s decrees. Actions speak louder than words.
Aburi Accord only mirrored the Nigerian Regional
System but was to be run perpetually by soldiers
who could have with time got over their pains and
shed differences and then transformed into a new
power Oligarchy composed of soldiers from all
tribes harmoniously united by the quest to plunder
our collective wealth as we later saw in Nigeria’s
subsequent military regimes. That was the danger
Aburi Accord portended. Only fools lacked the
foresight to see it.

And what military dictator ruled by another's decrees? of course he naturally had to repeal Ironsi decrees so as to to promulgate his. Only in your delusional mind do such translate to wanting to hand over to civilians.

Gowon Decree 8 was not about re democratization, it was about gaining total power, unshared, the like every dictator naturally wants.

Aburi ensured the power was shared and made future secession easier for all regions.

9. If not for poor comprehension as usual why is it
taking you years to understand that Boro’s travail
in Ojukwu’s hands for the “crime” of secession was
a deterrent to others who had similar plans? What
happened to Boro was a threat which made all
other tribes discard their secession declaration
plans. And that is where Edo’s Yorubas, Arewas,
etc all come in, thus Isaac Boro’s issue becomes
an all-Nigeria issue. The strictly Igbo-Ijaw
restriction you are feeding into it does not make
sense at all because it was into Nigeria Ojukwu
held Boro back and not into a separate Igbo
republic.

Trash! Neither Edo nor Yorubas had secession plans in the past, present or are they likely to have one in the nearest future.

Boro- Ojukwu issue was a strictly Eastern region affair that had nothing to do with Edos or Yorubas. Ojukwu was the governor of Eastern region and was never going to allow any part of the region breakaway overnight without due consultations and probably a referendum.
It was an Eastern region affair, it was into Eastern region he dragged Boro back and not into Nigeria it just so happened that Eastern region was part of Nigeria.