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Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by tintingz(m): 9:29am On Apr 16, 2017 |
onegig:This marriageable claims are just assumptions nothing to back it up, the world stats said men population are more than women, in some countries it varies. 3 Likes |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by emonis88: 9:34am On Apr 16, 2017 |
marrying two or more wives in this our economic situation? una want kill man finish, when our girls r out for the rich n comfortable life with no stress. even our forefathers that married more wives had some help from their wives. these ones of our time just want to sit down n sip wine , chop exotic food , ride d best cars . that y politicians n d big wigs use them like toilet paper. pay , use, dump . |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by neocortex: 10:27am On Apr 16, 2017 |
AreaFada2: This point is irrelevant as more live males are born than females in every country in the world, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio Another point which adds nothing to the discussion, one would expect that a self-acclaimed scientifically sound individual will know how to state his fact without muddling up the water.
Another blatant misrepresentation, all birth-ratio statistics points to the fact that more male are born than female, yet you try to confound birth ratio with survival rates of the sexes. That we have a lower number of male to female at age range 15-64 in some countries does not mean their are more female births. Even at the age range of 15 to 64 , 60% of countries in the world have an equal or higher male to female ratio dealing another blow to your point. While you may be conversant with scientific research, you should realise that inferences made from data is as important as the data itself and educating less-informed folks with the right information should carry more weight than scoring a point. 4 Likes |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by neocortex: 10:29am On Apr 16, 2017 |
baby124: Don't mind him, he knew that it is easy to fool most Nigerians as they won't bother to cross-check his claims and I wasn't surprised that he got many likes. 1 Like |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by Slurity(m): 10:57am On Apr 16, 2017 |
Please remind me how much is the cost of one bag of rice in your area and I will tell why men now get sense by force. |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by lekropasky(m): 11:18am On Apr 16, 2017 |
seyigiggle:Itaranenije (self deceit). I wonder why people think it's possible for a man to stay with a single woman all his life. It's either he marries more, or have a concubine. Take it or Leave it it. |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by onegig(m): 11:23am On Apr 16, 2017 |
tintingz: It is commonsense. I don't need to elaborate and expantiate. You seem to not understand the difference between population count and a sample size under scrutiny. Out of the number of males how many make it to 25? How many are languishing in prison cells? For every single female convict, there are 10 more male convicts. Data without basic understanding and application is useless. I finished the uni in a class of about 150 grads and out of this about 60 are ladies. At least 35 of those ladies are married and on my fingers i can count the number of fellow male colleagues who are married; prolly 10 to 15 if i am being generous. Even before my final papers we had already attended the wedding of around 5 of those ladies. Do a survey amongst people in your street and count the number of males and females age 18 to 25 who are ready for marriage. You would be hard done to find 2 males who are ready and i am sure 7 out of 10 females in such sample size would be ready. It is not rocket science. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by Tajbol4splend(m): 11:40am On Apr 16, 2017 |
AreaFada2: Atheism |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by tintingz(m): 11:46am On Apr 16, 2017 |
onegig:Your claims are still assumptions, in an engineering department there will be more males than female, in food and catering department there will be female than male, these things varies, gender imbalance occur. Where I work is an electricity and engineering company so ofcos men are much than women, in banks women are much because of the customer care and cashiers. You need to see the school registrar to conclude the gender population of the school. Every male above 20 is legally in marriageable age, the ready claims does not hold water. The authorized data from UN said men outnumber women in population, you should know census will be carried out in all field of area. 4 Likes |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by juman(m): 11:48am On Apr 16, 2017 |
Economy is bad. APC is a cursed government. |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by onegig(m): 12:13pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
tintingz: Assumptions? And how many 20 year old males are getting married? Or the fact that females get much more matured early than their male peers is an assumption? And how does field of study relate to marriageable age? Maybe you need to scroll up and read my first comment slowly. How did the UN come to the conclusions that there are more males than females? They counted every single male and female born at every single part of the world? Huh? Maybe i emphasize the fact that no one is disputing the fact that there are morre males than females. However , how many of those males 18 to 25 are factually ready for marriage incomarison to their female peers. Also note there is a "natural pressure" on ladies to marry early so as to avoid complications during child birth while the males don't have such conditions. Put all these into consideration and maybe do an overview. You would do well to start a little reading on what we call statistical assumptions. Since your buzz word is "assumptions". I gave you a simple task and even backed up things with an example of a simple random sample which in fact is a scientific and statistical data but you still seem to be lost. I give up. This seems like rocket science after all. Enjoy your day. |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by maasoap(m): 12:17pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
seyigiggle:When finish lying to yourself, let me know. There is increase in the number of Christians marrying more than one wife these days and there is decrease in the number of Muslims marrying just one wife. Just look around in your immediate environment. |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by AreaFada2: 12:48pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
neocortex: I guess you jumped on the thread without knowing the context of the the submission. It is about whether there are excess women ready for marriage or not. And the answer is that clearly, there are. Now you said there are more males in 60% of countries, but do you put together the population of that 60% and compare to the 40%? Have you considered if 60% of Algerian population is more than 40% of Russian population for example? Interprete data carefully because it can justify anything yiu want to justify if yiu are not objective. Allegedly Nigeria has 3 million more men than women. Has Nigeria ever conducted an acceptable census since 1950s? Was Kano population is said to be higher than Lagos even after Jigawa State was cut out of Kano. Do not forget that in many countries, census collators do not even see women harems to count, so figures from many religiously conservative developing countries are very unreliable. Now to X-linked genetics. Of old the talk was of recessive & dominant. The "near-consensus" now if the remove that distinction because the phenotypic expression is not quite so simple. Various mechanisms have been observed such as clonal expansion, somatic mosaicism, skewing of X-linked, autonomous cell expression, etc that can even express phenotype in a female. Now remember one thing. FEMALES carry the gene. MALES express the phenotype/disease. But unusually for reasons just mentioned before, female can in rare cases express phenotype. The matter with journal articles is that most are done by basic scientists, They do not actually sit in clinic and see the real deal and having to deal with it. Also you forget the pace of research. It is so fast that even articles published just a year ago may not be up to date anymore. As an undergrad, our Western professors told us to ignore textbooks after year 1 at university except as reference books, and in Anatomy, parts of physiology/pharmocology. All essays, assignments, presentations,etc had to rely on the very latest research papers. Even though some of our profs wrote some of the books used worldwide. This was to get used to cutting edge stuff from the earliest possible time. I would not rely on some articles you just google up. That wasn't my training. ANECDOTE: Read about Queen Victoria of England who was a carrier of haemphilia X-linked gene, lived to age of 81 years. But through her daughters who married into virtually most European Royal families, passed haemophilia to those royal families, with devastating consequences in many cases. It is the classical case of X-linked inheritance. You compare publications with real life experience and local surveys/research. For example, in Nigeria where there are supposed to be 3 million excess men, many in the North marry multiple wives, not rare in SW either. Why are there still so many women at Shiloh looking for men? Why are so many women still willing to marry a polygamous man? Why are some women complaining of no man? It is not enough to say they are looking for rich men or are fussy. Many cannot even find any man to tie down. |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by AreaFada2: 12:56pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
Tajbol4splend:Boko Haram equivalent of Christian zealots call anyone who debates and offer a differing opinion an atheist. Normal tolerant people welcome debate and contribute meaningfully instead of name calling. |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by mikolo80: 1:00pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
delishpot:which mumu obligation. he put roof over her head and fed her and her offspring. to reciprocate with ponmo, una no gree. you come fed talk obligation |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by mikolo80: 1:01pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
TrumporIdie:are you drunk? these imbeciles wen go de form hard to get unless dem see Range Rover? |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by Nobody: 1:41pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
onegig: "Ready for marriage at 16 in most cultures"? Post stats to support this or kindly hold your speech. This statement is false, prove me wrong 4 Likes |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by Nobody: 1:44pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
onegig: There are more males than female, a simple research will help solve this puzzle for you 1 Like |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by Tajbol4splend(m): 1:44pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
AreaFada2: Who called you atheist |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by tintingz(m): 2:56pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
onegig:Your claims will always be assumption as far you didn't provided evidences to your claims. Are you saying there are no males at 20yrs old getting married? Since male outnumbered female in population, there are more male for every female, I don't know why you keep saying 20yrs old guys are not getting married, is it because of responsibility? What If the govt fund people finacially? Or the fact that females get much more matured early than their male peers is an assumption? And how does field of study relate to marriageable age? Maybe you need to scroll up and read my first comment slowly.Lol, So when a female is matured physically she is ready for marriage but when it is male he's not ready? You can see our irrational you sound What I meant by "all field of areas" means all places will be counted into data population. How did the UN come to the conclusions that there are more males than females? They counted every single male and female born at every single part of the world? Huh? Maybe i emphasize the fact that no one is disputing the fact that there are morre males than females. However , how many of those males 18 to 25 are factually ready for marriage incomarison to their female peers. Also note there is a "natural pressure" on ladies to marry early so as to avoid complications during child birth while the males don't have such conditions. Put all these into consideration and maybe do an overview.Now I can see you are ignorant, so you dont know how UN get thier data? And you forming mister science. Let me educate you a little, UN get thier population data from each country conducted census exercise(i dont know if you exist when census was being carried out), after the census group collated the datas just it like it is done during election, each country will send thier data to UN and it will be compiled together to know the population of the world. Secondly, it is only here in Africa and among Arab countries women are pressure to marry early, in the western world there is nothing like marriage pressure, Oprah Winfrey is not married and no one cares. Like have said there are more males for every female, even if they are not married they are probably dating their girlfriends. You would do well to start a little reading on what we call statistical assumptions. Since your buzz word is "assumptions".I don't do assumptions, I do fact and evidence, you can't use assumptions to argue or debate, it is not done anywhere. I gave you a simple task and even backed up things with an example of a simple random sample which in fact is aLol, please remove scientific and statistical from there, your claims are mere fallacies, science deals with practical and evidence through observation and experiment. So oga where is your scientific and statistical evidence/references? I give up. This seems like rocket science after all.Your post are nothing but fallacies and assumptions, i have knowledge in science, if you want to argue about science let do it. And have a good day as well. 3 Likes |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by purple3091: 3:00pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
More like men made a system in the past(which is still prevelant tho less)that benefited them,kept women dependent on them and could use,sell,rape and basically do whatever they wanted to woman..but with woman empowerment came the increase of education of female and decrease of things like toleration of bad&unfair treatment...nowadays a woman(some priviledged enough to get education/fair family) can even get whatever she wants,and live her life better than foremothers could..CONCLUSION is increase of female education+empowerment is the reason,and happpy for it..that is why in countries where women are controlled by men their is more polygyny....btw OP your point of cheating doesnt make sense in reference to marriage because many married woman cheat,so using your logic means they should get married to all the men they have sex with...stop being emotional..sex=\=marriage...false equivalence of sex equals wanting to marry that person 1 Like |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by neocortex: 3:03pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
[quote author=AreaFada2 post=55615552] Merely looking at the ratio of male to female for the top ten most populous countries, it can be seen that 5 of them making a total population of 3.2 billion people(42% of world's population) have more males than females. I think that is instructive enough if you wish to dig deeper into the data. It is about whether there are excess women ready for marriage or not. And the answer is that clearly, there are. If your claim was that there are excess of women ready for marriage, then you didn't need to bring in miscarriage and genetic disorders as being ready for marriage is a matter of finance and mental capability and not being just alive. I am sure most posters who quoted you wouldn't have done so had you limited your argument to women "ready for marriage" as against women in general.
Appearance may be deceiving, that is why opinions hold no water in scientific circles, real life experiences are subjective at best and they merely express a shallow observation of events. Many women at shiloh isn't a matter of numbers of men that are alive but the number of men who are desirable as marriage partners and also the unbalanced pressure on women to get married fast. The dynamics of marriage for females can never be compared to that of males as there are so many moving parts which does not apply to the male folks. I have graduated for sometime and I can tell you that 90% of my male course mates are still not married and some wish they were, will I be right to conclude that there are more males than females ? Of course not. A more balanced statement would have been that: given the same age range in early adulthood, females tends to be more interested in getting married than their male counterparts for obvious reasons. Not that there are more females than males. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by tintingz(m): 3:11pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
neocortex:Well said. |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by tintingz(m): 3:34pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
AreaFada2:Your source? Allegedly Nigeria has 3 million more men than women. Has Nigeria ever conducted an acceptable census since 1950s? Was Kano population is said to be higher than Lagos even after Jigawa State was cut out of Kano. Do not forget that in many countries, census collators do not even see women harems to count, so figures from many religiously conservative developing countries are very unreliable.What about the census that was carried out in 2006? Again where are your source to all this? Stop making up assumptions. Now to X-linked genetics. Of old the talk was of recessive & dominant. The "near-consensus" now if the remove that distinction because the phenotypic expression is not quite so simple. Various mechanisms have been observed such as clonal expansion, somatic mosaicism, skewing of X-linked, autonomous cell expression, etc that can even express phenotype in a female.Lol, I've debunk this and you still on this X-linked inheritance thing. Again I post, According to Wikipedia the report said: X-linked dominant traits do not necessarily affect males more than females (unlike X-linked recessive traits). The exact pattern of inheritance varies, depending on whether the father or the mother has the trait of interest. All daughters of an affected father will also be affected but none of his sons will be affected (unless the mother is also affected). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-linked_dominant_inheritance affected males having a uniform severity of disorder, while females are affected to different degrees https://gpnotebook.co.uk/simplepage.cfm?ID=-1382416350 The X-linke inheritance does not affect the depopulating of male or gender, stop desperately making up assumptions and speculations. You should provide references and source. 3 Likes |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by onegig(m): 5:15pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
Pidgin2: There are more males than female, a simple research will help solve this puzzle for you Would you kindly reread what you just quoted? Seems most here have comprehension issues. There are more males than females. Agreed. But how many males aged 18 to 25 are ready for marriage in comparison to their female peers. How many males aged 18 to 25 are incarcerated in comparison with their female peers. How many makes live up to the age of 25? That's my question to the olodo up there. Who's been running in circles shouting assumptions. Pidgin2: I hope you would carefully read this time around and not make inferences from them like you just wrongly alluded up there. Here are links. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age#North_America https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_the_United_States www.girlsnotbrides.org/child-marriage/nigeria/ A whopping 17% of girls under 15 where married and 43% where married by age 18 in Nigeria. That's UNICEF data for 2016. How many guys were married or ready for marriage at those ages? 18 might seem the legal age of consent for marriage amongst most countries but fact is most cultures of the world would allow a lady to get married at the age of 16 if she has parental consent for such. I doubt any right thinking guy would attempt marriage at 16. I have never even heard of it before. This is apparently not a good thing for such a girl but i am stating facts and when such is involved , you don't colour it with emotions. |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by onegig(m): 5:23pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
@tintingz I don't need to further discuss with you. You have clearly shown your lack of comprehension skills. Confusing specific sample sizes and total population count. That was a red flag and i should have pulled out from there. But for charity, i thought i could actually enlighten another Nigerian but the typical aversion to quality education rears it ugly head again. You have been shouting facts and assumptions. At this point i would have expected someone with their head well rigged in to have provided counter facts and statements if you do not agree with a statement but alas all we have seen is long diatribes without substance. You would do well not to quote me anymore. Thank you. |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by Nobody: 6:00pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
introvertme: The first thing i want to state here is that i don't think you are an introvert. A more befitting moniker would've been extrovertme. Second thing i want to state is to let you know that you are too right to be wrong. I second 100%. kudos and thumbs up. |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by AreaFada2: 6:06pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
tintingz: Hahahaha! Are you talking of Wikipedia scientific circle or real life scientific circle? The real deal are the prize winning ones that I know. So stop talking of it as if you know. Because basing expertise on wiki is funny. Who peer-reviewed those articles? I hope you have full access to scientific and medical journals. Better still I will invite you to an international medical genetics conference. To update your knowledge. Back and forth here makes no sense. Thank you. |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by okanlawon94(m): 6:33pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
EgunMogaji:Calm down bro,have u follow me to d brothel b4 |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by tintingz(m): 6:45pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
AreaFada2:Lol, Wikipedia add references to their articles, it is part of their rules. As we can see genetic disorder can occur in both gender. Nature has a way of balancing the gender population ratio and there is something called gender imbalance. After so many evidences from different people here even from UN that says there are more men than women in world population, there are more men for every female, you're still arguing. |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by delishpot: 6:45pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
mikolo80: If that is all you take marriage for............You must be a useless husband. When the elders are talking about HUSBANDS no dare open mouth talk. You ain't man enough! 1 Like |
Re: Men, Why Did You Stop Marrying Two Or More Wives? by tintingz(m): 6:52pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
onegig:After trashing your fallacies, you're using style to run away. |
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