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Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 8:53am On Apr 09, 2017 |
YonkijiSappo: Which "coincidentally" looks exactly like what your neighbours wear. Its like your brother buying a relatively unknown car called say proton and then you buy the same car three days later and claim you werent influenced by him. Thats just poppycock! |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by YonkijiSappo: 8:56am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Ersan: you can "claim" it all you want, you can even claim to be closer to the saharan berbers who made it, but you surely have no proof that it was an inspiration of Arabian clothing. Agbada looks nothing like Arab clothing. This discussion is like arguing who "owns" the turban... whether Indians or Arabs or Ottomans or Persians. None can lay any exclusive claim to it in all its variations, even though the word "turban" itself has been said to be of old persian origin. 2 Likes |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by baby124: 8:56am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Ersan:Adding sequins to a cloth is not embroidery. Did you see Obasanjo's agbada? It's mostly men in Yoruba culture that do those embroidery's and they are very very skilled. 6 Likes |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by YonkijiSappo: 8:57am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Ersan: We have various neighbors. Nupes to the north, Bariba to the north-west, Fon to the West, Mossi groups to the far north west, Edos to the East. Which one of them wears this: or which of them are you referring to? 4 Likes |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 8:58am On Apr 09, 2017 |
YonkijiSappo: I have non nigerian friends and the first thing they think is arab when i show them our style of clothing. I didnt use to see it either but that coupled with historical records seem to show that it is. The last discussion about the turban is indeed quite interesting but that is a different and is none of our business. |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 8:59am On Apr 09, 2017 |
YonkijiSappo: Again, is that how yorubas dress today? |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 9:00am On Apr 09, 2017 |
baby124: Yes, im glad our tailors taught yours well. |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by YonkijiSappo: 9:00am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Ersan: It is our business, because both cases draw exactly the same parallels. That people will associate the turban today with just the Arabs, does not mean others don't have or wear theirs. 5 Likes |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by YonkijiSappo: 9:01am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Ersan: Of course, abi what are you talking sef. lol 2 Likes |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 9:03am On Apr 09, 2017 |
YonkijiSappo: Then what the hell is this?
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Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 9:04am On Apr 09, 2017 |
YonkijiSappo: We are not arabs or persians and we sure as hell aint indians. Let them settle that amongst themselves. |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by baby124: 9:05am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Ersan:Very funny joke. Till you guys have proof of seeing beautiful and complicated material like aso oke, then I will take you seriously.lmao. Aso Oke in itself is evidence of an advanced set of people. 7 Likes |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 9:07am On Apr 09, 2017 |
baby124:Not to forget the unique "adire". 4 Likes |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by YonkijiSappo: 9:07am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Ersan: this is what the original Hausa type rigas looked like.. lol what Hausas mostly wear today has changed as much as what the Yorubas wear has, if not more. Old riga Now, what the Bleep is this? 4 Likes |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by baby124: 9:08am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Ersan:Agbada or Babnriga has nothing to do with Arabs. Arabs wear what a slim boubou and their royalty wear the detachable robe on top. So correct your friends next time. Agbada however is not Babanriga 4 Likes |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by baby124: 9:11am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Henryyy:Adire is the closest the north came to textiles when it comes to Yoruba's. They have their ancient dyed cloth too, so do Yoruba's. 3 Likes |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 9:12am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Ersan:You have successfully derailed the thread sir. The focus of this thread are the fulani women and why they replicate the Yoruba traditional bridal attire which you are yet to answer. And FYI sir what obj has on is the same as what YonkijiSappo showed you. The man is only wearing a longer sleeved buba underneath. Besides the only reason it looks different is because of the material used. "Aso-oke" is not flexible hence can't be twisted and bent easily like what obj has on. 4 Likes |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 9:15am On Apr 09, 2017 |
baby124:Adire is unique to us Yoruba which is why I threw that in. Pointing that we have not just the aso-oke but also the adire which is unique. U get? 4 Likes |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by baby124: 9:15am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Henryyy:Got it! 1 Like |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 9:17am On Apr 09, 2017 |
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Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by YonkijiSappo: 9:21am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Ersan: Maybe you don't know, but we Yorubas historically had Various Agbada styles: Gbariye, (Agbada itself is one of those styles) Agbada is the one more popular now, Gbariye was moe flared with short sleeves and went with the kembe. Which Hausa person dresses like this? If you point to a probable ultimate Saharan berber origin as the oldest ancestor to what is known as the Agbada today, I wouldn't be arguing with you But trying to claim some kind of Joint Hausa-Fulani exclusive ownership or that You "gave" us Agbada as some kind of gift will surely drag this thread into the 20th page. 11 Likes |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by 9jakool: 9:34am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Ersan:Here is a Yoruba agbada pre-1950. Notice the different multiple designs of the eternal knot. I'm sure the knot is an important symbol to the North from a cultural sense. The fact is that the eternal knot is one of the most overused symbols ever. The Chinese, Europeans, Malians, and Saharawi arabs use it. No group can claim the sole ownership of the symbol. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/77/58/24/77582495b619035066ccab9244563171.jpg Yorubas have no stake in this whatsoever to begin with, they are not sahelianYou have to be Sahelian to have a stake? So vegetation now determines cultural affinity? There is always an outlier in any cultural relationship and Yoruba just happen to be the special case here. Yes they can have a stake if it's an integral part of their history and culture just like you. You didn't invent the style, so you are in no position to lay ownership. So its more plausible you got something from from another region rather than your neighbours that are right above you? it may not be completely hauss likr the earlier person claimed but you without a doubt got that from us.Even if it's from the North, the Yoruba agbada differs greatly to the Hausa babban riga in many ways. Danshiki on the other hand is more acknowledged as coming from the north. Typically, things of Hausa origin in Yoruba carries the original name like goje for example. The agbada case however is more contentious. The babban riga name did not stick.
Not really. I won't even claim significant amount. Most of the Islamization took place from Yoruba to Yoruba after the initial contact with Islam. Some of the kings were the earliest converts, others follow suit. If Hausa were responsible for a significant islamization of Yoruba like you said and they had trade contact for centuries, then how come most Yoruba weren't Muslim by the time of the British arrival. Islamization actually took place much later around the 19th and 20th century even though the first contact with Islam go back as far as the 14th century. Speaking of trade, most of the things that can be grown in the North can actually be grown in the South. The same can't be said vice versa. I don't know what special vegetables you are talking about other than ginger (which is also grown in Oyo state). On the other hand, kolanut (goro) which is abundant in the South is one of the major export commodity, that is highly valued by the North. As for the calvary, Oyo adopted the calvary after the destruction of Oyo-ile by Nupes. To claim that the Yorubas got the calvary from the Hausas is a bit far fetched. Oyo learned from the Nupe attack and adopted the calvary. But im curious, if yorubas got the danciki and babban riga from hausas, what were they wearing before that? Do you care to clue in? Maybe you dressed like the edos?You must feel very proud. Yoruba have tons of other clothing aside from the agbada, so to ask what Yoruba were wearing before agbada is naive, so let me enlighten you a bit. Yoruba are heterogeneous and some subgroups have their own unique attires in addition to also wearing the general common attires. The people of Ondo and Ijebu have like 50 different types of clothing alone that are native to them only and typically not worn by other Yoruba groups. For example, there is a style of clothing worn by men in Ondo state that's like a drape and it's tied from the shoulder down and worn with sokoto. There are some outfits that are only worn by certain people, some are worn on special occasions or for special purposes. Aside from the regional variations, the general clothing that all Yoruba people are familiar with include buba, kembe, sulia, dangodo, gbariye, ibora, kaamu, gbaanu, Sooro, sokoto elemu, iborun, oyala, ipele, oja, gele, among others. There are also tons of hats like gobi, alagbaa, oribi, tinko, bentigoo, abeti-aja, onide, labankada, and many others. I really don't need to go into details anymore. Also, my list are just styles and components and that's excluding fabric that are used. Agbada is just one of the many clothing that exist in Yoruba culture. So there you have it. 13 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 10:11am On Apr 09, 2017 |
baby124: Yes you are very advanced, good for you. We see the aso oke, we've never claimed its ours, nor do we want to. Like i said, we are satisfied with what is ours. Are you? |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 10:22am On Apr 09, 2017 |
9jakool: Lol! As far as nigeria goes everyone knows who that symbol represents. Sahelian people refers to certain ethnic groups that live and established kingdoms in and around the sahel. These ethnic groups include hausas, kanuris, fulas and tuaregs to name a few. This is all i ever wanted to hear, im glad you are able to admit it. I am not claiming cultural superiority here, like i said earlier theres nothing wrong with influencing each other, just like your women have influenced ours with the head ties. Not really. I won't even claim significant amount. Most of the Islamization took place from Yoruba to Yoruba after the initial contact with Islam. Some of the kings were the earliest converts, others follow suit. If Hausa were responsible for a significant islamization of Yoruba like you said and they had trade contact for centuries, then how come most Yoruba weren't Muslim by the time of the British arrival. Islamization actually took place much later around the 19th and 20th century even though the first contact with Islam go back as far as the 14th century.And i am curious as to how you think this islamization took place. Speaking of trade, most of the things that can be grown in the North can actually be grown in the South. The same can't be said vice versa. I don't know what special vegetables you are talking about other than ginger (which is also grown in Oyo state). On the other hand, kolanut (goro) which is abundant in the South is one of the major export commodity, that is highly valued by the North. This is indeed very true. But vegetables like onions arent originally found in the south. Its no wonder you lot call it the same thing we do, arabs call it basl, hausas call it albasa, and yorubas alubosa.(one of many words yorubas adopted hausas? As for the calvary, Oyo adopted the calvary after the destruction of Oyo-ile by Nupes. To claim that the Yorubas got the calvary from the Hausas is a bit far fetched. Oyo learned from the Nupe attack and adopted the calvary.And where do you think the nupes got their horses from? You must feel very proud. Yoruba have tons of other clothing aside from the agbada, so to ask what Yoruba were wearing before agbada is naive, so let me enlighten you a bit. Yoruba are heterogeneous and some subgroups have their own unique attires in addition to also wearing the general common attires. The people of Ondo and Ijebu have like 50 different types of clothing alone that are native to them only and typically not worn by other Yoruba groups. For example, there is a style of clothing worn by men in Ondo state that's like a drape and it's tied from the shoulder down and worn with sokoto. There are some outfits that are only worn by certain people, some are worn on special occasions or for special purposes. Aside from the regional variations, the general clothing that all Yoruba people are familiar with include buba, kembe, sulia, dangodo, gbariye, ibora, kaamu, gbaanu, Sooro, sokoto elemu, iborun, oyala, ipele, oja, gele, among others. There are also tons of hats like gobi, alagbaa, oribi, tinko, bentigoo, abeti-aja, onide, labankada, and many others. I really don't need to go into details anymore. Also, my list are just styles and components and that's excluding fabric that are used. Agbada is just one of the many clothing that exist in Yoruba culture. So there you have it. Great, i am very happy you have all these modes of dressing, again i am not denying, nor am i claiming cultural superiority. The questions remains, where did yorubas get inspiration for agbadas from? 1 Like |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 10:25am On Apr 09, 2017 |
YonkijiSappo: I dont get why you lot are getting salty over this. Its not very complicated, you can have one billion variations, i dont care. Question is; where did yorubas get inspiration for the agbadas they wear today? Btw, when you use others works and give credit it can be classified as inspiration. When you dont give credit its called plagiarism and as i am sure you know thats a despicable crime. |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 10:27am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Henryyy: It is paramount that we protect our history and culture. The sanctity of the thread be damned, as long as everyone is learning i say who cares? |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 10:29am On Apr 09, 2017 |
YonkijiSappo: Even today we wear multiple variations of babban riga. There are machine made and hand made embroideries like in the first and second pictures. Btw, i hope you know the second picture is a recent picture only in a rural setting? 1 Like |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 10:31am On Apr 09, 2017 |
baby124: I do correct them. I am strongly opposed to anything that links our culture with that of arabs. Such theories only give rise to an inferiority complex. |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 10:49am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Ersan:Fair enough but you care to explain why the fulanis wear the complete yoruba regalia i.e. the "buba", "iro" and the "gele" for weddings. Am definitely learning from the discussion but the question above is why i started d thread and if am not getting an answer then the point of d thread has been defeated. Am not trying to stop you from your arguments and what not but at least answer the prime question before deviating. Seems you're a fulani man yourself so you should be able to supply me with a response. 3 Likes |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 10:51am On Apr 09, 2017 |
Henryyy: Simple, because they like it and like i stated earlier, it makes an expensive statement. Its quite straight forward. And no i am not a pullo. |
Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by farouk0403(m): 10:56am On Apr 09, 2017 |
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Re: Why This Similarity Between Yoruba And Fulani? by Nobody: 11:02am On Apr 09, 2017 |
farouk0403: Lol! How are you sure its not the same person? |
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