Olu317:
Well, another Joseph? Of course not because he dreamt about his own personal lordship over the house of Israel. I am here to perfect the unknown to the Yorubas identity. The Western World's churches know this as well as their historians. They just kept mute about the Yorubas history because of the specks in our eyes. The Bronze heads in the London museum speaks a lot about Yoruba identity. A reawakening is my own course . Hopefully, the desire of the people can be granted by God. Until a man know his place on the planet earth, he is bounded under the spell of the earth's mystery. It is only the deep that understands the intricacies of the deep. And a deep drawn to be behold become a revelation. Then, a revelation manifest into reality (force by which it comes into existence).

Aspirations are unquenchable once there is a will on the part of the challenged.

Achievable is a desire borne of Eledumare.

absoluteSuccess:


May your good dreams for the homeland come true.

May the Lord cause his face to shine on you.

We bless you from zion.

OMANBALA1:


Guy,please can I borrow what you are smoking. That sshit is ffucking good....lol.
You know absolutely nothing about The Igbo people. White people couldn't pronounce a lot of Igbo words... They pronounce Owerre as Owerri,Onicha as Onitsha,Oka as Awka...etc.
And how can you say Igbos are weaker when they were in high demand during slavery...lol.

The thing pain you ooooo...lol

bigfrancis21:


Honestly, I don't know. Someone from Ebonyi should be able to tell us that.

The fact remains that the earliest academically documented evidence of the usage of oyibo in Nigeria was by the account of Olaudah Equiano, an ex Igbo slave who was born circa 1745 and the location was in Igboland around mid 1750s. Olaudah was captured when he was 11 years old or so and his memories of his native birth place were from his childhood days in Igbo land (which should be around the late 1740s and early 1750s). Olaudah's actual village in Igboland is still debated, with some claiming 'ashaka' in Delta Igbo region and some saying 'Isseke' in Anambra state, just around the border to Imo state. Personally, I am inclined to go with Isseke in Anambra state because his description of his travels after he was captured was mainly on land (he would have reported crossing the river niger across to the east as he made his way towards bonny or calabar port to be sold if he were captured from ashaka) and the dialect of the few Igbo words he used in his memoir indicates someone not from the 'core' anambra areas (onitsha, njikoka etc.) but from around the borders where dialects are similar to Imo north. For example, he used 'afor' to describe year in Igbo, which is correct, however the 'core' anambra or onitsha man would say 'aro' for 'year'. 'Afor' is used very well in Imo state. He also made mention of mgburichi which would have been mgbulichi in these 'core' anambra areas, with the 'r' indicating a southern influence on the dialect of his people, which many anambra towns near the border to imo state till today have.

The next academic evidence comes from the visitation of Simon Jonas, son of an ex Igbo slave born in Sierra Leone, to Onitsha in 1832 and being referred to as 'oh eboe ojii' by the natives.

Everything else is mere speculation.

absoluteSuccess:


More like awka.

Probz:
Thank you.

bigfrancis21:


@Bold...supremacy in which of my posts in this thread? Did I claim Igbos were supreme in any of my posts on here? Have I claimed anything here without academic proof or evidence? Of course I did give chance for understanding by asking for published proof which a non-speaker had to provide. Nearly 50 years after the civil war yet Nigerians have not gotten over this idea of an Igbo supremacy. It is almost as if it is a taboo for Igbos to take pride in their achievement because it will be seen as 'supremacy' tendencies or 'beating chest' while other tribes can do so all day and year round and it is not 'supremacist' tendencies. In the same vein, Igbos cannot highlight cultural imprints or evidence beyond Igbo land without being called 'land grabbers' yet other tribes can do the same. Oh well, I guess it is similar to the case white people. White people nowadays can no longer publicly take pride in their achievements without being seen as supremacist yet they did contribute a lot to the world, both positively and negatively. There is black pride parade, women pride parade, lgbt pride, latino pride but the thought or idea of a white pride would spell racism. I guess that's just how it is.

Kennydoc:


If it's a Yoruba word, how did the 'n' get lost from the widely accepted spelling?

Kennydoc:


If it's a Yoruba word, how did the 'n' get lost from the widely accepted spelling?

Oyinbo is a Yoruba word
meaning peeled honey.[HUMAN SKIN]


Oyin+Bo
OYIN[Honey]
BO[Peel]


The African skin complexion is BROWN like honey!

Figuratively the BROWN SKIN[Honey]
gets PEELED[Bo]


It is just like the pure Yoruba word: Ashewo [prostitute]
which was or had been corrupted to "Ashawo" by Wale
Adenuga's IKEBE SUPER MAGAZINE in pidgin. Mr. Wale Adenuga's humour magazine Ikebe Super
which was hugely popular nation wide from 1975 to the early 1980s [1983] featured the lead character, the
randy Dauda the Sexy Guy. The use of Ashawo by Wale Adenuga became prominent because his publication
as in pidgin English and interjected with some Nigerian words like O jigbi jigbi jigbi in Yoruba or Osanobua in Bini-Edo!

I used to discretely read Ikebe Super in those days!
There was a print run of up to 500,000 per month of Ikebe
Super.


Yoruba names even have Oyinbo in them for generations
such as: Adetoyinbo, Oguntoyinbo, Fatoyinbo, Odetoyinbo



So, I hope this helps.

Konquest:

^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^
Oyinbo is a Yoruba word
meaning peeled honey.[HUMAN SKIN]


Oyin+Po
OYIN[Honey]
BO[Peel]


The African skin complexion is BROWN like honey!

Figuratively the BROWN SKIN[Honey]
gets PEELED[Bo]


It is just like the pure Yoruba word:Ashewo [prostitute]
which has been corrupted to Ashawo by Wale
Adenuga's IKEBE SUPER MAGAZINE
in pidgin. Mr. Wale Adenuga's humour magazine Ikebe Super
which was hugely popular nation wide from 1975 to the early 1980s [1983] featured the lead character, the
randy
Dauda the Sexy Guy. The use of Ashawo
by Wale Adenuga became prominent because his publication was in pidgin English and interjected with some Nigerian words like
O jigbi jigbi jigbi in Yoruba or Osanobua in
Bini-Edo!

I used to discretely read Ikebe Super in those days!
There was a print run of up to 500,000
per month.


Yoruba names even have Oyinbo
in them for generations such as:
Oguntoyinbo, Fatoyinbo, Odetoyinbo



So, I hope this helps.

ewa26:


Hon, Igbos also get oyibo for first and last name ok, I strongly believe is an Igbo word rather dan Yoruba ok

Konquest:

^^^^^
^^^^^
@ewa26


Urhobos also have "Oyibo" as surnames just like they have
"Okoro" as surnames. Even some Yorubas have "Okoro" as surnames
and they have different meanings to the Ibo "Okoro!"


However the word "Oyinbo" of Yorubas is NOT the same
as "Oyibo" of Ibos.


I clearly explained the meaning/origin of "Oyinbo" in my last post
on this thread and you can READ it carefully below:
~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Figuratively the BROWN SKIN["Honey-coloured" or "Oyin"]
gets PEELED["Bo"] in Yoruba.


Oyin+Bo [IN Yoruba means HONEY+PEEL]


"Oyinbo" is a Yoruba word meaning
PEELED honey[BROWN HUMAN SKIN].

When you REMOVE the OUTER BROWN layer of the
Nigerian person's skin, due to hot water burn
or hot oil burn as an EXAMPLE, the SKIN TURN WHITE!


Oyin+Bo
Yoruba II English
-------------------
1. OYIN, [Honey]
2. BO, [Peel]


The African skin complexion is BROWN like honey!


Figuratively the BROWN SKIN["Honey-coloured" or "Oyin"]
gets PEELED["Bo"] in Yoruba.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~

Meanwhile "Oyibo" to the Ibos simply means "Ibo People/Person"
and does NOT refer to "White People."

Ibos call white people "Onye Ocha" or "Bekee"


All the best!

Konquest:

^^^^^
^^^^^
@ewa26


Urhobos also have "Oyibo" as surnames just like they have
"Okoro" as surnames. Even some Yorubas have "Okoro" as surnames
and they have different meanings to the Ibo "Okoro!"


However the word "Oyinbo" of Yorubas is NOT the same
as "Oyibo" of Ibos.


I clearly explained the meaning/origin of "Oyinbo" in my last post
on this thread and you can READ it carefully below:
~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Figuratively the BROWN SKIN["Honey-coloured" or "Oyin"]
gets PEELED["Bo"] in Yoruba.


Oyin+Bo [IN Yoruba means HONEY+PEEL]


"Oyinbo" is a Yoruba word meaning
PEELED honey[BROWN HUMAN SKIN].

When you REMOVE the OUTER BROWN layer of the
Nigerian person's skin, due to hot water burn
or hot oil burn as an EXAMPLE, the SKIN TURN WHITE!


Oyin+Bo
Yoruba II English
-------------------
1. OYIN, [Honey]
2. BO, [Peel]


The African skin complexion is BROWN like honey!


Figuratively the BROWN SKIN["Honey-coloured" or "Oyin"]
gets PEELED["Bo"] in Yoruba.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~

Meanwhile "Oyibo" to the Ibos simply means "Ibo People/Person"
and does NOT refer to "White People."

Ibos call white people "Onye Ocha" or "Bekee"


All the best!

Probz:


Point of correction: onye Igbo means Igbo person. Oyibo means white man.

Konquest:

^^^^^
^^^^^
OK... Onye Ibo [Ibo Person] is correct!
"Oyibo" in Ibo is said to be derived from
"Onye Ibo" or "Ibo Person"!


How then does "Onye Ibo" [Ibo Person] TRANSLATE to mean a "White Person or
White man?"

It DOESN'T make SENSE to me!



1. How was "Oyibo" evolved by Ibos?
What is the etymology or origin?

How does this compare with the
following Ibo-derived words for
"White man?"


A. Onye-Ocha/Ndi Ocha[White man] which is the
standard Ibo term for White man

B. Bekee[White man], which was derived from
the LAST name of a Scottish explorer by the
name of William Baikie who FIRST visited West Africa/Nigeria in 1854!



2. Like I stated, "Oyinbo" [White man] etymology or
origin in Yoruba is:
Oyin+Bo= Honey+Peel [Peeled Brown Skin].


The Itsekiris, some Eastern Yoruba dialects, Urhobos, Isokos
use "Oyibo" to refer to "White man."
In Edoland, "Ebo" I learnt refers to "White man."



Last but not least, @Probz, are you from
Arochukwu? I deduced from "your" dressing
and profile pics that you might be. There are some questions
about Aro history[which I have read in the past for years
now] that I want to ask later from a FIRST-HAND
source
because I love learning about different
cultures/histories worldwide.



All the best and happy Sunday to you!

Probz:


All I know is I was literally born and oyibo was being used for anything and everything to do with the white man in the Anambra/Enugu/Delta Igbo axis and I'm only a few years away from 30. I'm sure it didn't magically pop up into existence in 80s/90s. It might just be one of those ejime-ejire-type scenarios. None was directly loaned from the other but we share the word together through Igala while the ultimate etymology's Yoruba. That's fine. You won't see me heavily debating the origin of the word oyi(n)bo on here but I think it's just shared. It's not a 21st century pidgin loan word like some people on here make out.

I know Edos use ebo for white man, yh. I didn't know anywhere in the Eastern flank of Yorubaland use oyibo. I was watching this video of an Akoko Ondo lady speaking something in her conc.-arse dialect and she used oyinbo (and she said that word more than once). And is the Ekiti equivalent not eyinbo?

I'm not from Arochukwu, nah. It's not even me in that profile picture. I could bore you with a lengthy story of my maternal and paternal ancestries but not one of them ties me to that side of Igboland. I'm a full-blooded Anambra nigga. Links to Nsukka and Igala but nowhere in Imo State. And likewise literally no one in Nigeria outside of southern Igboland calls the white man bekee. It's exclusively an Abia/Imo thing. Onye ocha's the central standardised way of calling a white man specifically but people from northern and western Igboland (Enugu through to Asaba) don't know anything other than oyibo. You'll never, ever hear anyone from Ogwashi Ukwu or Awka calling a white man bekee. Never. It's genuinely a foreign word to us.

Oh and it's a myth that bekee derives from William Baike's surname. I can't remember the name of the Tumblr account who posted the evidence but it's actually been proven that that bekee was used in some form or other before Baike was even born so that's that theory out of the window. Either it's a contraction of either bia i ike ["he (the white man) has come to divide" in Igbo] or mbracka (Efik-Ibibio for white man) or it was copied from somewhere. But it's nothing at all to do with William Baike.

Konquest:

^^^^^^
^^^^^^
@Probz

Impressive!

Thanks for doing "maximum justice" in with your
post! I have learned some profound info in this post. And by the way - I like the fact that you write in a very lucid
and neat manner from top to bottom!


About the profile pics - now I get it...
I thought you are from Arochukwu in Abia State
based on that dressing... it's all good.


The "Beke or Bekee/William Baike" definition comes from Wikipedia
but then those of use Wikipedia as Editors know FULL WELL that Wikipedia
isn't even regarded as a reliable source for
accurate information because of entry
vandalisms
and anybody can just log in and edit biographical/political/historical
entries with falsehoods/propaganda.


This is the reason why educational institutions
in the Western world do NOT ACCEPT Wikipedia
entries as references in project/research work.


It is indeed interesting getting to study
how languages and cultures evolve and
influence one another worldwide.
For example along the border areas, you will
find an intermingling/borrowing of words or languages in Nigeria: God is known by the Efik/Ibibio as "Abasi" and the Ibo use "Obasi" for God as well in "Central Ibo."



Thanks again.

All the best!

Probz:


Mhm. Tell me more about Eastern Yorubaland and oyibo.

I don’t look loads different to the guy in my PP by the way. Just darker skinned. Lool. And what he’s wearing is something I myself would and do wear.

Kennydoc:

Believe me, there was no mix between Yorubas and Igbos as at the 19th century, yet Igbos already had the word 'oyibo' as at then.

Proverbalizer:


actually I don't believe you, what magical, impenetrable border prevented Igbo and Yoruba people from mixing before the 19th century? Any why are there actually hundreds or thousands of other words that are the same or quite similar between the two languages?

bigfrancis21:


I honestly believe that Igbo and Yoruba languages diverged from a common language at some point, with Igbo probably being older especially if you compare the grammar and structure of both languages - Yoruba seems like a simplified version of this proto-language.

goalernestman:



actually Edo the benin is the link between igbo and Yoruba is a fact,

there is no tribe of igbo states that dont have benin in their history same with Yoruba

bigfrancis21:


Actually, Nri civilization in Anambra is the oldest human organization/settlement/civilization that appeared in the 9th century. Ife civilization came into fore around the 12th century and the Bini civilization around the 14th or 16th century. Igbo>Yoruba>Bini...in that order.