vantage001:
What a dose of complete poppy-cocck.
I have never seen any one more deluded than this guy. Even if everything begins to work properly in Nigeria, your ceiling is a mid-level power like south-korea, definitely not a superpower in the mould of ancient Egypt.
Even Osinbajo earning millions in aso-rock is not this optimistic about Nigeria.

gocac:
sometimes I just wonder....if some of my fellow citizens get brains or na just coconut head.
you are in a serious recession and your still battling with the sad effects, yet your deceiving yourselves of being a power house in Africa. this is self deceit.

Rossikki:
Who the hell are you to impose a "ceiling " on Nigerian possibilities?

EvilUnityBeggars:
Rossiki you are a funny dreamer


What makes a country great.?

What are the factors that influence the greatness of a country.?


Until you answer these questions, you won't understand how deluded you are

vantage001:

I did not impose the ceiling.
Existential realities did.
You don't have superpower potential.
Your geographical assets and indeed your wealth is relatively small even for african standards, you will never be allowed to develop Nukes to mark an entrance into superpower status, and the vast majority of your populace are not very progressive given their islamic loyalties. And i am not even considering the fact that other legitimate superpowers would frustrate any potential superpower emergence in africa for obvious reasons.
Now, I am assuming Nigeria is in a state complete unity, zero tribalism, cerebral and functional governance, decent industrial capacity and absolute peace.
The likes of Israel, Pakistan, Turkey, south-korea, malaysia, singapore have never gotten close to being superpowers, Nigeria definitely can't.

Rossikki:
Are PriceWaterhouseCoopers dreamers also? This is how you will sit there doing nothing. Indians will read those reports which you call 'dreams', and start strategising on how to capitalise on the Nigerian economy. Chinese, Lebanese, same thing. You? Oh it's all a dream.

Rossikki:


Are PriceWaterhouseCoopers dreamers also? Do you have any clue of their level of expertise in economic analysis and projection? This is how you will sit there doing nothing. Indians will read those reports which you call 'dreams', and start strategising on how to capitalise on the Nigerian economy. Chinese, Lebanese, same thing. You? Oh it's all a dream.

EvilUnityBeggars:


You haven't answer those questions yet

What makes a country great.?

What factors influence the greatness.?

EvilUnityBeggars:


The issue is not about being frustrated.

All great powers have a united people because they all felt that their countries guarantee have laid down things that enable them to have their religious, political, economic, social etc dreams fulfilled


Nigeria is not such a country and will never be

vantage001:

I did not impose the ceiling.
Existential realities did.
You don't have superpower potential.
Your geographical assets and indeed your wealth is relatively small even for african standards, you will never be allowed to develop Nukes to mark an entrance into superpower status, and the vast majority of your populace are not very progressive given their islamic loyalties. And i am not even considering the fact that other legitimate superpowers would frustrate any potential superpower emergence in africa for obvious reasons.
Now, I am assuming Nigeria is in a state complete unity, zero tribalism, cerebral and functional governance, decent industrial capacity and absolute peace.
The likes of Israel, Pakistan, Turkey, south-korea, malaysia, singapore have never gotten close to being superpowers, Nigeria definitely can't.

Rossikki:
Greatness is a subjective term. What do you mean by "great"?

Rossikki:
Strictly your opinion. You also have this naive view that current superpowers will ALWAYS be there to impose their will and curtail emerging nations. There 's na guarantee the US for instance, will even exist in the year 2050, given their reckless adventurism.

Sapiosexuality:
Dude, let's be realistic. His argument is not a matter of opinion but existential realities. We have to achieve greatness in our people before we overcome the world. In what way are Nigerians developed intellectually?

By greatness here I mean an awakening of the mind. You'd be lying to yourself if you say we've achieved that or have any tool in place to.

When you have a country where history is strapped and children are taught that Mungo Park discovered river Nigeria. When the very examples of independent mindset as exemplified in the life of King Jaja of Opobo, King Kosoko of Lagos and Obo Ovowerenye of Benin are not used in grooming young minds.

EvilUnityBeggars:


He thinks greatness is by population

India has more population than Germany but Germany is greater than her in all ramifications

vantage001:

lol.
My opinion is based on fact. I gave many reasons why but you chose to dwell on one.
Between the US and Nigeria, who do you think is more likely not to be around in year 2050?
My money is on the weak nation, with no credible military, depolrable socio-economics, and high level of social entropy due to religion and ethnicity.

Sapiosexuality:
Exactly. Nigeria still has a lot of stage to pass before she'd be close to such dream he's describing. Is it our religious weaknesses? Our Tribal differences? Our educational and intellectual deficiency?

EvilUnityBeggars:


Rossikki thinks greatness is by population

India has more population than Germany but Germany is greater than her in all ramifications

vantage001:

It is not even possible.
Unless Nigeria want to annex the whole of west africa to create enough geographical assets to command and wield that kind of influence.

Rossikki:
But at the rate India is growing economically, it's only a matter of time before she surpasses Germany. You people need to look long term. European nations' economies are growing by 1 to 2% annually. Africa and Asia, 6 to 10%. Any development economist will tell you those figures are highly significant going forward.

Rossikki:
Actually, my money is on the US. Military might is an illusion. Many powers existed before the USA.They all came crashing down despite their military superiority. I needed, BECAUSE OF their military superiority. One lesson of history is that military dominance ALWAYS leads the dominant nation to over stretch...over reach...over extend... TILL THEY BREAK and come crashing down. The US today, typifies such calamitous decline...Watch and see.

Rossikki:
Actually, my money is on the US to crash. Military might is an illusion. Many powers existed before the USA.They all came crashing down despite their military superiority. Indeed, BECAUSE OF their military superiority. One lesson of history is that military dominance ALWAYS leads the dominant nation to over stretch...over reach...over extend... TILL THEY BREAK and come crashing down. The US today, typifies such calamitous decline in the making...Watch and see.

Sapiosexuality:
Dude, let's be realistic. His argument is not a matter of opinion but existential realities. We have to achieve greatness in our people before we overcome the world. In what way are Nigerians developed intellectually?

By greatness here I mean an awakening of the mind. You'd be lying to yourself if you say we've achieved that or have any tool in place to.

When you have a country where history is not taught and children are taught that Mungo Park discovered River Niger. When the very examples of independent mindset as exemplified in the life of King Jaja of Opobo, King Kosoko of Lagos and Oba Ovowerenye of Benin are not used in grooming young minds.

vantage001:

Rome the greatsest superpower the world has ever known(before america took their title) collapsed due to corruption and the eventual invasion of the germanic tribes who were only successful because rome had become weakened from the inside thanks to in-fighting and corruption.
America does not suffer from that affliction. She is still very efficient in dealing with corruption and waste. The US is still very good at prioritizing.
The best minds in the world still go to the US and hereby perpetuating her technological and social dominance for centuries to come. She still has the petro-dollar as the most efficient means of international transaction with no credible rival currency in sight.
And there is no force on earth that would dare invade the united states. Not with the threat of a complete nuclear annihilation as the automatic response.
Rome did not have the nuclear deterrence america has.