vantage001:

[b]You believe in your own hype.
Third class citizens?. Yes, we want far better than we currently have, but sorry we are nowhere third class. It is an impossibility for an average igbo citizen to be third class in this country.
Our leaders may have been schemed out of power, but the igbo citizens are at the top level of every progressive aspect or sector of Nigeria.
Compare the average igbo citizen to the average fulani citizen, and the gap is a wide as the ocean in favour of the igbo citizen.
The igbo nation trumps the fulani in every socio-economic indices. We may not have a dangote, but we have far less group poverty and near insurmountable literacy gap.
When we talk of talk of third class citizen, learn to be specific. The average fulani citizen in the north is at the lowest echelon of Nigerian citizenship.
As true as your points may be in terms of how it has affected the igbo potential, i can't see any real example in other ethnic groups of their own outstanding success.
The north has a central leadership but that has resulted in the feudal system that has impoverished the vast majority. You have docile citizens in the north, but it has resulted in the growth of extreme backwardness because progress does not flow well with extreme docility.
Yes, we need to reform, but not in your way. [/b]

Mynd44:
Reno just lumped every Igbo person together and thinks he makes sense.

fulanmafia:


All of this yet you scream of marginalization at every turn? Yet you have the lowest chances in the civil service, military and political space? Yet you wield the weakest national influence among the big 3? What's more third class than that?

I'm not intending to make this about d1ck-measurement (your obvious pastime) but the fact remains that the Hausa/Fulani is ahead of your kin in commerce (Dangote, BUA, Dantata et al.), Aviation (Kabo, Chanchangi, Azman, Med-view et al), Political and Military dominance. If that is not success, tell me what is.

The undeniable fact is that your supposed strengths (which are actual weaknesses as Reno outlined) are what have subjugated you to the lowest rungs in national affairs and reduced you to the lowest echelon of Nigerian citizenship.

vantage001:

[b]We scream marginalization because our numbers in the top echelons is mitigated by skewed and unmerited appointments by backward northern godfathers.
It dosen't mean we are not there, it means we are not progressing as fast as we should due to nepotism. We are everywhere and we got there on merit.
You mention igbo marginalization in army, navy or whatever, but that is not exclusive to the south-east. The military is dominated undeservingly if i may add by the north at the expense of the entire south. Infact there are probably more igbos in the military than the rest of the south or atleast one of the most represented. The past immediate COAS was an igbo man, but it dosen't take away the fact that we are under-represented in the military just like the rest of the south. The fact that we are the only ones with the sense and the voice to speak doesn't mean we have no presence in the top echelons.
Infact, the only place where you can say there is no igbo presence is the presidency. We have not gotten the presidency and i agree with on that as a form of marginalization, and also the fact that the fact the SE gets very little from the Nigerian state.
But that has only proven our genius to survive in harshest conditions.
You say you don't want to chest-beat and you are busy listing crappy airlines as achievements. I was expecting you to tell me your northern life-expectancy, or literacy rate, or poverty rate that is better than the average igbo man or igboland to justify your first class status.
I can as well start listing multi-national companies owned by various educated igbo men and women in virtually every sector of the economy.
If you are first class, then i really can't see it because It has not really helped you much. The north is poorer than the rest of Nigeria.
And the only unfortunate reason why you dominate our polity is because the south is filled with saboteurs and chameleons.
[/b]

vantage001:

[b]We scream marginalization because our numbers in the top echelons is mitigated by skewed and unmerited appointments by backward northern godfathers.
It dosen't mean we are not there, it means we are not progressing as fast as we should due to nepotism. We are everywhere and we got there on merit.
You mention igbo marginalization in army, navy or whatever, but that is not exclusive to the south-east. The military is dominated undeservingly if i may add by the north at the expense of the entire south. Infact there are probably more igbos in the military than the rest of the south or atleast one of the most represented. The past immediate COAS was an igbo man, but it dosen't take away the fact that we are under-represented in the military just like the rest of the south. The fact that we are the only ones with the sense and the voice to speak doesn't mean we have no presence in the top echelons.
Infact, the only place where you can say there is no igbo presence is the presidency. We have not gotten the presidency and i agree with on that as a form of marginalization, and also the fact that the fact the SE gets very little from the Nigerian state.
But that has only proven our genius to survive in harshest conditions.
You say you don't want to chest-beat and you are busy listing crappy airlines as achievements. I was expecting you to tell me your northern life-expectancy, or literacy rate, or poverty rate that is better than the average igbo man or igboland to justify your first class status.
I can as well start listing multi-national companies owned by various educated igbo men and women in virtually every sector of the economy.
If you are first class, then i really can't see it because It has not really helped you much. The north is poorer than the rest of Nigeria.
And the only unfortunate reason why you dominate our polity is because the south is filled with saboteurs and chameleons.
[/b]

backtosender:
Telling amajiris their status in one Nigeria really hurts them but the truth hurts.......do u no they have abandoned amajiri schools Jonathan built all over the north and went back begging for food in the street?

vantage001:

And they claim to be first class citizens.

vantage001:

[b]We scream marginalization because our numbers in the top echelons is mitigated by skewed and unmerited appointments by backward northern godfathers.
It dosen't mean we are not there, it means we are not progressing as fast as we should due to nepotism. We are everywhere and we got there on merit.
You mention igbo marginalization in army, navy or whatever, but that is not exclusive to the south-east. The military is dominated undeservingly if i may add by the north at the expense of the entire south. Infact there are probably more igbos in the military than the rest of the south or atleast one of the most represented. The past immediate COAS was an igbo man, but it dosen't take away the fact that we are under-represented in the military just like the rest of the south. The fact that we are the only ones with the sense and the voice to speak doesn't mean we have no presence in the top echelons.
Infact, the only place where you can say there is no igbo presence is the presidency. We have not gotten the presidency and i agree with on that as a form of marginalization, and also the fact that the fact the SE gets very little from the Nigerian state.
But that has only proven our genius to survive in harshest conditions.
You say you don't want to chest-beat and you are busy listing crappy airlines as achievements. I was expecting you to tell me your northern life-expectancy, or literacy rate, or poverty rate that is better than the average igbo man or igboland to justify your first class status.
I can as well start listing multi-national companies owned by various educated igbo men and women in virtually every sector of the economy.
If you are first class, then i really can't see it because It has not really helped you much. The north is poorer than the rest of Nigeria.
And the only unfortunate reason why you dominate our polity is because the south is filled with saboteurs and chameleons.
[/b]

backtosender:
Telling amajiris their status in one Nigeria really hurts them but the truth hurts.......do u no they have abandoned amajiri schools Jonathan built all over the north and went back begging for food in the street?

fulanmafia:


We are marginalized because....
We don't have the Presidency because...
We're not first class because...
You're dominant because...

Excuses are for failures Mr. Man.

Make amends where necessary as prescribed by Reno and countless others & see how quickly your collective fortunes will change.

fulanmafia:
Doesn't change the fact that what you celebrate as strengths are actually what has made you 3rd class citizens in Nigeria, meaning you have failed to re-adapt your weaknesses.

Arrogance instead of Humility.
Impertinence instead of Diplomacy.
Pugnacity instead of Docility.
Lack of central leadership.

laudate:


Chimo!! See finishing....this is too much. No, scratch that. Eewo! It is three much!

TECHNINE:
Reno should go fcck himself. This writeup was borne out of his new hatred for igbo. Check his post on Facebook about Igbos being marginalized, he wasn't too happy that some Igbos didn't lick his balls like FFK and Fayose. In the comment section he swore to never write in support of Igbos again. He should fcvk off already

vantage001:
wetin afonja know?

vantage001:

You believe in your own hype.
Third class citizens?. Yes, we want far better than we currently have, but sorry we are nowhere third class. It is an impossibility for an average igbo citizen to be third class in this country.
Our leaders may have been schemed out of power, but the igbo citizens are at the top level of every progressive aspect or sector of Nigeria.
Compare the average igbo citizen to the average fulani citizen, and the gap is a wide as the ocean in favour of the igbo citizen.
The igbo nation trumps the fulani in every socio-economic indices. We may not have a dangote, but we have far less group poverty and near insurmountable literacy gap.
When we talk of talk of third class citizen, learn to be specific. The average fulani citizen in the north is at the lowest echelon of Nigerian citizenship.
As true as your points may be in terms of how it has affected the igbo potential, i can't see any real example in other ethnic groups of their own outstanding success.
The north has a central leadership but that has resulted in the feudal system that has impoverished the vast majority. You have docile citizens in the north, but it has resulted in the growth of extreme backwardness because progress does not flow well with extreme docility.
Yes, we need to reform, but not in your way.

kingzizzy:
Who told you that the war was not necessary? Over 50,000 Igbos slaughtered in the North, over 300 Igbo officers murdered, the Aburi agreement broken. If it were you, what more will happen before you stand up.and say enough is enough?

vantage001:

You have been beaten.
We don't have the presidency but we are one of the most progressive parts of Nigeria. Progress and first class status is not how many presidents you produce, but the quality of life your citizens live. That is how the rest of the world see progress.
The average igbo man lives much better life than the average northerner. That is what matters.

I can see a life of begging for freedom daily, baby factory enterprise, screaming marginalization, getting gunned down and hung by the dozen (domestically and globally for your world developing exploits) is the original Japan Quality life you're living .

You're full of jokes; I'm busy dealing with your fellow chestbeaters over here if you care to join us; I'm too busy for this joke of a discourse with my freedom-begging 1st class compatriot

laudate:


So if you believe the war was necessary, why do you keep lamenting that your region lost 3 million people during the same war? Did that war right all the wrongs that your people had faced, prior to that time?

kingzizzy:
50 years on, you still have a country as disunited as the day the war started, so what was the point?

We should go our separate ways without firing a gunshot, as we should have done 50 years ago, thereby saving millions of lives