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Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by GodsMopol: 11:13am On Jun 22, 2017 |
Junia: You mean once a believer is saved, he's saved forever, even if he forms the habit of sinning after sinning |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by Zeddicuz(m): 11:52am On Jun 22, 2017 |
D concept of once saved,always saved is erroneous and a teaching exhumed from d deepest part of hell to deceive undiscerning christians so they can revel in the illusion till they die and find themselves in hell. A christian can lose his or her salvation when they Go back into sins,whether sins of omission or commission,and they refuse to repent. its a pity we have so many false teachers who have propagated this teaching like wildfire and have deceived many. Every heavenly minded believer should daily work out his salvation with fear and trembling. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by analice107: 11:54am On Jun 22, 2017 |
plainbibletruth:A New Creation can not be destroyed if the New Creation REMAINS. But what if the New creation leaves the fold? Note, Jesus our Lord always uses what is familiar to teach what is not. He used what we could see and relate with to teach us heavenly principles and we are going to consider one of them. The Prodigal Son. Why was he prodigal? He was prodigal becos he RETURNED. But what if he didn't? Now lets consider certain things closely. 1. Did Christ used that story to teach us about two kinds of Christians in the fold? Yes. One who remains and one who leaves or backslides. Now let's focus on the one who backslided. Was he a son? Yes. Was he a New creation before he left? What does it mean to be a new Creation? To be a new creation is having the life of the father in you. Did that son had the life of his father in him? Yes, that was why he could demand and get his own portion of the inheritance. There's a question here, Why didn't the father stop that son from going away to filth, since when the gift of salvation is given it can not be lost? Answer: It is not the father who takes back what he has given, because his gifts are without repentance. If that Son had died out there, would he have made heaven? I'd say No, why? Checkout out what the Father did when that son came back. Work was done on him. He was restored. I am saved, but what happens when i fall into fornication and in the act the trumpet sounds? Will i be caught up with you brethren becos i have been saved? Remember no one commits sin by mistake. Believers especially carefully plan sin, it begins with a thought, which lingers until it becomes lust, then it matures to action. While this is going on, the trumpet sounds, do you think i will be caught, when we get to heaven we then will talk about it? Take Adam for instance, did he lose his place as a king of the earth? Yes, Was it God who took it back from him? No. He gave it up. God had declared Adam King, but will he remain King over the earth even when he gives up his throne, just because God has said so? If that's the case, why do we, his descendants need restoration today? God will never take back the salvation He has given, but we can give it up by spiritual insensitivity and carelessness. What does it mean to return back to the Vomit? Is it not to go back to our former ways. And, someone saying those who draw back are not members of the fold is wrong. The Holy Spirit has no business addressing the unsaved as drawing back. What are they drawing back from, and to what? If they were not saved in the first place, then there wont be any drawing back to do. God bless. 1 Like |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by Nobody: 1:16pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
GodsMopol:A believer cannot develop the habit of sinning. He who lives in sin is not born of the Father. Th Bible didn't say that person was born of the father and has changed. The Bible says he is not born of the father. So no believer can develop such habit. If you see someone who says he or she is a Christian and his life tells otherwise, you should who he or she actually is. 1 Like |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by Nobody: 1:19pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
analice107:You didn't get me well. None of them was saved. They didn't have the Holy Spirit when Jesus was with them. They received the Spirit on the day of Pentecost. For the miracles, Jesus gave them the authority to do so. |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by GodsMopol: 1:30pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
[quote author=Junia post=57749872] A believer cannot develop the habit of sinning. He who lives in sin is not born of the Father. Th Bible didn't say that person was born of the father and has changed. The Bible says he is not born of the father. So no believer can develop such habit. If you see someone who says he or she is a Christian and his life tells otherwise, you should who he or she actually is.[/quote In other words, A Christian that was born of God can't make mistake. cause to be born of God means to be born again. And so many has gotten born again and has lost their salvation e.g. 1 Timothy 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. 1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. Paul assured had gotten those guys converted in the past and I trust Paul, they must be born again and here is Paul talking to them about their shortcomings. 1 Like |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by analice107: 1:41pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
Junia:I think what you mean to say is that, the Holy Spirit had not taken their bodies as permanent dwelling place(?). because, the Master empowered them with the Holy Spirit, that was why they were able to cast out demons. The 12 all had the Holy Spirit, but he wasn't indwelling as at then. The authority is the Holy Spirit sir. |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by Nobody: 1:50pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
analice107:A new creation cannot leave the fold. He has no desire to do so because it is Christ living in Him. Understand the content of the prodigal son. Jesus used it to inform sinners to return to the Father because He will accept them. The prodigal son wasn't a new creation. You are twisting the scriptures. The prodigal son describes the state of man when we were created. We left because of Adam. And now we can return because of Jesus. Remember, Jesus was not yet dead and risen. So there was nothing like a new creation. When you fornicate as a believer and the trumphet sounds, you will still make Heaven because you still have faith in God. We sin but we don't live in sin. Imagine a believer dressing nicely and an unbeliever lusts after him or her. The believr has actually sinned unknowingly because the unbeliever wouldnt lust if not for him or her. That doesn't make you lose your salvation. Look at Moses, Samson and Solomon. They sinned before dieing. Will they go to hell ?? No, because they were not living in sin and also they trusted in God. No believer turns back. Remember Jesus said no one can pluck His own from His hands. Also there are those who enter the sheepfold by not using the door (Jesus). They are just religious people. When difficulties come, they turn their back. |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by Nobody: 1:53pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
analice107:Good. He was given to them just to do miracles. That didn't make them new creatures. That didn't guarantee them salvation. It only gave them the right to do what Jesus was doing. |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by Nobody: 2:02pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
[quote author=GodsMopol post=57750262][/quote] You can make mistakes but you won't live in it. These people didn't lose their salvation. They were abusing grace. Paul doesn't know the heart, only God does. I can stand infront of you and say the sinners prayer after you to get me born again. But deep down my heart, I'm not receiving Jesus because I am not ready to repent. After saying it, I will now be under you care. You will be teaching me for a long time and yet I have still not received Christ. To you im born again. But to God, I'm not. Im not saying that was what these people were. But there could be a probability that they were that type. 1 Like |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by analice107: 8:00pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
Junia:Okay sir. I leave it at that. |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by analice107: 8:11pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
Junia:Lol. You are forgetting there are two sons of the same Father, if the prodigal is referring to the lost sinner from Adam, who was the Son who stayed home obeying the father? Jesus was talking about sons, one remained obedient, one backslide but came back. Jesus wants us to know that, if we sin and fall away, our father will receive us back IF we return. What if we don't return. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by ichuka(m): 8:25pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU:I Don't have much time now But,let me ask you.can Christ die for us again? I don't think so.exspect one is not truely saved at first. What He did was once and for all.QED. our problem has been mixing His Kingdom with Eternal Life.one demands works and the latter is free. |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by Nobody: 8:27pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
analice107:You are right. But note this, if you are indeed a son, you will surely return. Its religious christians who don't return because they are actually not enjoying it. I have been one before, but I felt empty. I realised I couldn't live without being a Christian. Though I was sinning, the Holy Spirit kept telling me who I actually was and brought me back safely. If you are a son, you will surely return no matter how you backslide. |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by jnrbayano(m): 8:29pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
Junia: In respect to the bold, you mean the dumb from birth won't be saved? |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:33pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
Junia: If by believing you receive what then do you get by unbelieving? Are you saying once you believe it is no longer possible to disbelief again? If the condition to receive is based on believing then does it not follow that the moment one is no longer a believer he/she loses that gift? |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by jnrbayano(m): 8:33pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
Once saved always saved is from the devil himself. Why would the coming of Jesus be like a thief and the call all through the scriptures to be ready at all times? 1 Like |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:38pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
Junia: Do you know the meaning of the word "Apostate?" Are you saying apostates mean pretenders? You can only renounce a faith you once had not one you pretended to have. |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:39pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
GodsMopol: You got a point there. The moment a Christian sins he/she becomes a sinner. A Christian is not a sinner and a sinner is not a Christian. |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:42pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
Zeddicuz: Way to go! |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:46pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
Junia: Says who, you or Christ? When Jesus was with them they had Christ and when Jesus was taken away they were left with His anointing. Do you know who the anointed One and His anointing is? |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:52pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
Junia: Jesus did not just send out His disciples to perform miracles He sent them out to win souls into the Kingdom of God. Why would Jesus send out sinners to convert other sinners to the Kingdom of heaven? |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by Nobody: 8:54pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
jnrbayano:I don't know how they would do it. But they can speak in their own way. |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:57pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
Junia: Anyone can make mistakes that doesn't make one a sinner it is committing sin that makes one a sinner. Junia: How then do you know that all who made a confession of Jesus as their Lord and Saviour but latter went back to sin were no saved in the first place? |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by Nobody: 9:00pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU:It is possible to disbelief. I think I meed to be enlightened more on this topics. |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:01pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
ichuka: What is your understanding of what the Lord said in Revelation 2:4-5? |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by Nobody: 9:02pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU:Some were still doubting of He was the Messiah |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by Nobody: 9:11pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU:Yh its. true. But they were actually living double lives. They please God sometimes and displease Him sometimes. So I can conclude that they were saved for the fact that they believed Jesus sometimes and followed His instructions. But sometimes too, they choose to displease God. |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by Nobody: 9:14pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU:My point is maybe they didn't believe what they were doing with their heart. This topic is needs more enlightenment |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by jnrbayano(m): 9:21pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
Junia: Hahahaha you don't know again? Okay. Do you wanna know? |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by jnrbayano(m): 9:27pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
Junia: Hahahaha you don't know again? Okay. Do you wanna know? If you like confess with your mouth that Jesus is lord till eternity and your life does not respond to the faith which you confess (works of faith or works of charity or love), my brother, nothing like "you are saved" for you. |
Re: Can A Christian Lose Salvation? by Nobody: 9:45pm On Jun 22, 2017 |
jnrbayano:The Bible didn't end with confessing. It includes believing. Adding works to your faith is what shows you believe. |
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