I came across the below post on facebook and it bothers me a lot. If allah forgives sins, why is there need for Sharia law?

intelligent minds only.

rilwayne001 titingz aminusanti udatso FriendNG empiree abdelkabir albhagdadi plappville true2god

Hmm

Newsynews
Go and find out what shariah laws entails. Perhaps when you do, you will see the uselessness of this post

NOPE, he cuts ur head off

newsynews:

I came across the below post on facebook and it bothers me a lot. If allah forgives sins, why is there need for Sharia law?

intelligent minds only.

would you be happy if this is done to your politicians who loot you dry?

udatso:
Newsynews
Go and find out what shariah laws entails. Perhaps when you do, you will see the uselessness of this post

Why not tell me?

Empiree:
would you be happy if this is done to your politicians who loot you dry?

Do you know that the people who will gather in support of such judgment are also guilty of similar crime? That's why Yahshua the Messiah said "he without sin should cast the first stone".

If it is right that such punishment should be melted out to offenders, then no one will be left in this world cos an eye for an eye makes the world go blind.


Such barbarism can only be allowed in a religion where the god cannot defend himself nor have mercy.


BTW, does Allah forgive sins? If yes, why is there a need for Sharia law?

alBHAGDADI:
Do you know that the people who will gather in support of such judgment are also guilty of similar crime? That's why Yahshua the Messiah said "he without sin should cast the first stone".

If it is right that such punishment should be melted out to offenders, then no one will be left in this world cos an eye for an eye makes the world go blind.


Such barbarism can only be allowed in a religion where the god cannot defend himself nor have mercy.


BTW, does Allah forgive sins? If yes, why is there a need for Sharia law?

Case closed. You deserve politicians that rule over you. You will never get out of it. From now on, pls stop cursing your politicians. Stop complaining about your politicians. Stop pelting them with stones. Stop demanding your rights from them. Stop complaining about embezzlement. Stop complaining of no light, bad roads, bad bad economy, bad infrastructures. Please just stop complaining everything about your politicians. You deserve the treatments you gets from them.

By your silly logic, Even the kidnappers, killers, ritualists, hired killers, hired assassins, armed robbers, thieves, burglars, culties etc should all be left alone bcus no one is free from sins

Empiree:
would you be happy if this is done to your politicians who loot you dry?

Not for petty theft tho

lepasharon:


Not for petty theft tho

You people should stop being hypocrites. Are your politicians "petty thieves"?

Empiree:
You people should stop being hypocrites. Are your politicians "petty thieves"?

No

lepasharon:


No

Well, it is very simple. Op makes no sense. He picked up random pix some place, photoshopped Quran next to it and then concluded this is islam. Makes sense to you?. He might have even downloaded it from net. There is indeed amputation in islam but there are rulings associated with it. You Just don't accuse someone of theft and cut off his hand. Thats not how it works. This is why udatso said what he said up there.

You people should just stop jumping to conclusion just bcus you hate the religion. As a saying goes, you are ignorant of what you know not. There is more to punishing thieves before finally cutting off his or her hand. It is practical and makes far sense than nonsense the guy is preaching about "he who do not sin should cast stone". If that is the case why does the pope excommunicates sex offenders as a form of punishment?. Why did he not forgive them?, Does he not sin too?. Why do countries have police and prison cells if not for transgressors. This christians reasoning is very senseless and ridiculous.

Empiree
The way the question is framed actually gives the op out and portrays his true intentions or the intentions of his source.
It's actually very difficult for certain people to conceal their hate for Islam. As a result, they ask the right questions in the wrong way or ask the wrong questions in the right way.
Newsynews
Are you a Christian or atheist?

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newsynews:

I came across the below post on facebook and it bothers me a lot. If allah forgives sins, why is there need for Sharia law?

intelligent minds only.

this is even more wicked

Examples

chukxie:
I tire for 9ja politicians and their stealing matter.

This one says

Tahrah:
This is cruel.

Thunder strike them all.

You better have your hand cutoff or thunder strike you @newsynews alBHAGDADI ?

Eyanmukaila:
And these are the guys youths die and take bullets for. It is high time for revolution or massive relocation cos Nigeria is not changing anytime soon.

When you start cutting off your politicians' fingers, that's the beginning of the end of your sufferings in nija. But for as long as nigerians themselves are culprits, your situation aint gonna go away

Empiree:
Case closed. You deserve politicians that rule over you. You will never get out of it. From now on, pls stop cursing your politicians. Stop complaining about your politicians. Stop pelting them with stones. Stop demanding your rights from them. Stop complaining about embezzlement. Stop complaining of no light, bad roads, bad bad economy, bad infrastructures. Please just stop complaining everything about your politicians. You deserve the treatments you gets from them.

By your silly logic, Even the kidnappers, killers, ritualists, hired killers, hired assassins, armed robbers, thieves, burglars, culties etc should all be left alone bcus no one is free from sins

Leave the punishment to the government, not some religious law.

In the Islamic world where shariah law is practiced, don't they still have corruption, prostitution, murderers, thieves etc? Has it stopped those crimes from being perpetrated?

Why are there some many terrorists in the Arab world if sharia law is the key to stopping criminal behaviour?

udatso:
Empiree
The way the question is framed actually gives the op out and portrays his true intentions or the intentions of his source.
It's actually very difficult for certain people to conceal their hate for Islam. As a result, they ask the right questions in the wrong way or ask the wrong questions in the right way.
Newsynews
Are you a Christian or atheist?

Why don't you leave the OP's intention out of this and answer his damn question.

Perhaps, Al taquiya is still weak to stand it

[s]

alBHAGDADI:
Leave the punishment to the government, not some religious law.

In the Islamic world where shariah law is practiced, don't they still have corruption, prostitution, murderers, thieves etc? Has it stopped those crimes from being perpetrated?

Why are there some many terrorists in the Arab world if sharia law is the key to stopping criminal behaviour?

[/s] Senseless man

Empiree:
Well, it is very simple. Op makes no sense. He picked up random pix some place, photoshopped Quran next to it and then concluded this is islam. Makes sense to you?. He might have even downloaded it from net

Whether it was downloaded or photoshopped (which doesn't look like), it doesn't negate the fact that Islam permits beheading, cutting of arms and legs and even flogging of minor offenders. You also agreed to that in your post which I will point out below.

Empiree:

THERE IS INDEED AMPUTATION IN ISLAM but there are rulings associated with it. You Just don't accuse someone of theft and cut off his hand. Thats not how it works. This is why udatso said what he said up there.

Your first sentence agrees with the picture in the OP. SO, pls stop the talk of Photoshop.

Empiree:

You people should just stop jumping to conclusion just bcus you hate the religion. As a saying goes, you are ignorant of what you know not. There is more to punishing thieves before finally cutting off his or her hand.

Why not leave that to the secular law?

How many big wigs in Saudi Arabia and the Islamic world have been subjected to the same treatment paupers face under Sharia law? NONE.

Empiree:

It is practical and makes far sense than nonsense the guy is preaching about "he who do not sin should cast stone". If that is the case why does the pope excommunicates sex offenders as a form of punishment?

Sex offenders are people who were given the opportunity to Confess their sin but chose to follow the Case to court to see if they will get an accidental favor and win the case via injustice. The reason why they are chased away is because they would have remained living a lie in the church if they had won; they would have continued their sinful life. But since they got exposed by the court, they lost the right to remain with the Pope, something they would have continued enjoying if they had confessed on time.

I'm still surprised at how you are able to equate such a just punishment with your Islamic barbaric law of hand cutting and beheading.

Empiree:

. Why did he not forgive them?, Does he not sin too?. Why do countries have police and prison cells if not for transgressors. This christians reasoning is very senseless and ridiculous.

Like I said earlier, they were given the chance to confess and be forgiven, but they chose to try out their chances at the court of law to see if they could be exonerated and continue to deceive the church. Their stupidity is what kicks them out.

Empiree:
[s][/s] Senseless man

Yes, to someone who sees no wrong in his religion chopping people's head off.

alBHAGDADI:
Whether it was downloaded or photoshopped (which doesn't look like), it doesn't negate the fact that Islam permits beheading, cutting of arms and legs and even flogging of minor offenders. You also agreed to that in your post which I will point out below.

Your first sentence agrees with the picture in the OP. SO, pls stop the talk of Photoshop.

Why not leave that to the secular law?

How many big wigs in Saudi Arabia and the Islamic world have been subjected to the same treatment paupers face under Sharia law? NONE.

Sex offenders are people who were given the opportunity to Confess their sin but chose to follow the Case to court to see if they will get an accidental favor and win the case via injustice. The reason why they are chased away is because they would have remained living a lie in the church if they had won; they would have continued their sinful life. But since they got exposed by the court, they lost the right to remain with the Pope, something they would have continued enjoying if they had confessed on time.

I'm still surprised at how you are able to equate such a just punishment with your Islamic barbaric law of hand cutting and beheading.

Like I said earlier, they were given the chance to confess and be forgiven, but they chose to try out their chances at the court of law to see if they could be exonerated and continue to deceive the church. Their stupidity is what kicks them out.

Guy, please stop embarrassing yourself

newsynews:

I came across the below post on facebook and it bothers me a lot. If allah forgives sins, why is there need for Sharia law?

intelligent minds only.

Surah An-Nisa, Verse 16:

And as for the two who are guilty of indecency from among you, give them both a punishment; then if they repent and amend, turn aside from them; surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful.

# The above verse dispel the myth that there is no room for forgiveness.


# The wisdom behind Islamic criminal laws is more of
prevention and protection of community’s security rather
than executing a punishment.

# It is a fact that every civilised society has series of law that serves as check and balance for the criminals, nuisance and evil people. No doubt the peace and decorum of society is usually being threatened by these people.

NOTE: Sharia punishment is designed for hardened, unrepentant and cruel criminal.

1. Punishment for theft, a case study

Theoretically its punishment is amputation of the right four
fingers.

However, the law will not be executed unless about 15
conditions are met. For example, the law will not be
executed during a famine if the stolen item is a
necessity of life, or if the thief repents before the case is
brought before a judge, the case will be dismissed, etc.


2. Another case is punishment for adultery

Personally, I do not believe in stoning to death. That's another day anyway. However, for its punishment to be valid and executed, there MUST be four male EYE WITNESSES THAT ACTUALLY SAW THE ACT (i.e joystick has it enters the Kohl). And all of these men MUST be adl (just) having sound history/record on their belt and their testimony (each one of them) MUST BE REPRODUCEABLE in narration to the other. If one is differ from the other three, they all entitled to 80 lashes and their future testimony is rejected. And if it is the offender that hand over himself or herself and confessed, it must be on four occasions before he can be listened to. What is his/her problem? Is he/she mad? There is a wide door of repentance for him/her (e.g Quran 4:16 as stated above).

In the two cases, all the conditions are impossible to be met accurately.

# Sharia Law Has Been Hijacked
Zamfara state or Saudi or ISIS etc version of Islamic sharia is nothing but politicised, partial and barbaric form of self-made sharia law.

A. Zamfara:

It took the Prophet of Islam years before he can established the Islamic penal law. A right functioning system MUST FIRST be put in place all necessity of life that will keep people far away from crimes. For example, the state must be able to have provided job for the youths, the weak and older ones should be carter for promptly etc. Only then should Sharia law can be established. Zamfara state is one of the poorest state in Nigeria having their rulers embezzling the state properties. Yet, Sanni the thief Yerima assumed office and immediately established Sharia. Why won't the youths go into crimes? Remember that thief Yerima paid £15,000 as dowry of a 14 year old Egyptian girl as his 3rd/4th wife. During his fake sharia, he was always seen with beard (to deceive people he's religious). After he left office (8 years as governor + 8 years as senator), he removed his fake beard.

B. Saudi Arabia:

There is no doubt that the royal ruling class are 100% above the law in this country. And when you look for crimes of highest degree, they are within this class. No Sheik dare to accuse them. The so-called sharia in this state is meant for the caged and oppressed people of the Saudis. And this royal family uses this "sharia law" to protect their throne from being overturned by the rebels. If you protest, or rebel against the king, it beheading and crucifixion of your headless body. Obviously, that is NEVER Islamic law.

C. ISIS, BOKO HARAM etc

Their kind of Islamic law is no mercy sharia law whereas there is door of mercy widely open in the real Islamic sharia law.


"O he who has wronged himself (by indulging in unimaginable evil acts), do not despair of Allah's mercy. Indeed, Allah is ever-forgiving merciful" - Quran.

I don't give a phuck about the poo above my comment.



what I know...Islam,Mohammed,Muslims and allah=f.ucktards

Surah 21:47: And We set the scales even in Day of Judgment admitting of no deviation and We judge with absolute justice and accordingly no soul shall ever be wronged in the least. Every deed, good or bad, will We present with precision even if it be as light or as little as a mustard seed. Enough are We in putting the law in execution.

The Qur’an clearly teaches that Allah will weigh “every deed, good or bad”
on the “Day of Judgment.” The fact that Allah could weigh “every deed, good or bad” committed by Muslims during their lifetime proves that Allah has not forgotten or forgiven their sins. Since the purpose for keeping a detailed record of the sins of an individual is to render judgment, it shows that the sins of the Muslims are neither forgiven nor forgotten by Allah. Even the sins of pious Muslims are not exempted.
The “Scales of Allah”

newsynews:

I came across the below post on facebook and it bothers me a lot. If allah forgives sins, why is there need for Sharia law?

intelligent minds only.

I think sharia law is devilish. What should we then say about the religion itself? This is wickedness. The law doesn't seem right and justifiable. There's no atom of justice in it. Uncalled for! If the whole world depends on that law, we all done for. It will be a world of DOOM in capital letter. a chaotic world...

They are yet to answer a simple question. Pathetic. This again shows that our only hope is Jesus Christ who has the power to forgive.

Albaqir wasting his time on this folks. You think they reason?. They dont need reasonable explanation. All they need is to make example from them.

malvisguy212:
Since the purpose for keeping a detailed record of the sins of an individual is to render judgment, it shows that the sins of the Muslims are neither forgiven nor forgotten by Allah. Even the sins of pious Muslims are not exempted.
The “Scales of Allah”

What is judgement day in Christianity?.

Does hell exist in Christianity and who goes there?

Empiree:
Albaqir wasting his time on this folks. You think they reason?. They dont need reasonable explanation. All they need is to make example from them.


What is judgement day in Christianity?.

Does hell exist in Christianity and who goes there?

did you read my post ? how can Allah record the sins of the pious Muslims if he claim to forgive them in the first place ? in Christianity the sins of the righteous are nor counted anymore.

Roman 4
… 7 “Blessed are those whose iniquities are forgiven, whose sins are covered; 8 Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him.”

Empiree:
Albaqir wasting his time on this folks. You think they reason?. They dont need reasonable explanation. All they need is to make example from them.


?

For your information, albaqir didn't answer the question.

If allah forgives, why then does he still weighs the sins of a Muslim against his good deeds during judgment day?

una dey run

alBHAGDADI:
For your information, albaqir didn't answer the question.

If allah forgives, why then does he still weighs the sins of a Muslim against his good deeds during judgment day?

una dey run

# First, Albaqir only open dialogue with the OP and he was very definite in his challenge which is about sharia law and I have replied. I await his next move. You guys however only wish to derail the main subject.


# Second, as per your challenge, I do not know where you guys actually see "Muslims" in the verse. But before I define "Muslim" for you, here's the verses you quoted to set the record straight:

Surah Al-Anbiya, Verse 46 - 47:

46: And if a blast of the chastisement of your Lord were to touch them, they will certainly say: O woe to us! surely we were unjust.

47: And We will set up a just balance on the day of resurrection, so no soul shall be dealt with unjustly in the least; and though there be the weight of a grain of mustard seed, (yet) will We bring it, and sufficient are We to take account.

# The above verses refer to the az-ZALIMUN - THE UNJUST. Unfortunately, you quoted only verse 47 leaving out verse 46.


# Third, as For the believers, Quran says:

"As for those who believe and do right actions , We will erase their bad actions and recompense them for the best of what they did" ( Surat al -Ankabut , 7 )


# Fourth, now let us assumed verse 46 do not exist, and that Qur'an only talks generally without distinction.

* Note, a Muslim which you keep mentioning is he who only professes Islam by his mouth and practice its requirements only outwardly. Being a Muslim does not mean you have freed yourself from sins. That's why you see some "Alhaja, Alhaji, Alfa etc" who prays, fasts etc yet perpetrating evil and are slave of sins. In Islam, you don't commit sin/evil, then repent and do good, then go back to sin/evil then repent, then evil...and you are in this state till you die. On the day of resurrection, it has to be measurement of your evil vs your good because your "seeking of forgiveness" is never sincere. This is Justice.

* On the other hands, a Mu'min is he who has spiritually grown from being an ordinary Muslim. Faith has filled his heart. He has renounced sin and evil. His deeds are pure and sincere. These are the ones Allah has forgiven completely without referring back to their previous sins.

# You wish to read the difference between a Muslim and a Mu'min? Here's a thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/2105430/difference-between-muslim-mumin-believer


# Does your own Lord forgive completely someone who never sincerely and completely repent and renounced sins and evils?