701ecilana:

JW

From the study of the Bible you don't know that the "end times" is one thing, "rapture" is another thing. Oga learn to reason wella biko!!!!!!

I wont dispute the article cos I'm an insider.
More than 10 yrs after her marriage my cousin is still shunned by her family members for marrying against the faith.

D worst part is the father accepted a gift from her yrs back after she has begged and begged but she recently discovered he didn't use it.said he will use it if she comes back to the faith.
Mum managed to forgive b4 her death.
One of her brother did wedding close to her house and called to specifically tell her not to show face bc brethren will be there. They treat her like an outcast.
Even though she is married with her own family yet no respect and she us d most senior.
I hate religion.
It is killing and breeding hatred more than love
What religion has done to humanity.

701ecilana:

JW are closet atheists. They are materialists. They don't believe in the supernatural realm.

How does one believe in God but doesn't believe in the afterlife?

mikeolu1, you see yourself? These are your subjects show them the way.

achorladey:

mikeolu1, you see yourself? These are your subjects show them the way.

When you are ready for a discussion drop rudeness then i will take you serious. For now, i gat no time lowliness.

701ecilana:

When you are ready for a discussion drop rudeness then i will take you serious. For now, i gat no time lowliness.

Go and learn how to reason, ''afterlife'' is one kettle of fish, ''supernatural'' another kettle of fish, ''God'' another kettle of fish. jw.org is available consult it. If you are not tired consulting those websites that feeds on jw.org to feed there logical reasoning, going to jw.org should not be difficult.

701ecilana:

Pls don't bother with Peacefullove. He is a scornful Muslim. Just ignore him. I went on responding to him before remembering who he is. Islam has no hope in resurrection so he is confused.

I think you are the confuse fellow here .

But for peace to reign i will write this post off .

mikeolu1:

What's important is if you are jw, be aware of what's going on. If you are studying or interested in jw, be aware that all you read in watchtower is not enough for you to make a decision to join or not to join, widen your research. Also know that after baptism, if you disagree you will be shunned by even your family. Jehovah's witnesses don't tell people this before people join them.

You are still among them yet telling others not to come in . In other words, you are an enemy of progress , If there is nothing you are still enjoying there. YOU WON'T HAVE STAYED NO MATTER THE CONSEQUENCE .



So what you call important is not the important thing. You have a misplaced priority.

answer my question : are you now planning to just join the league and drop religion all together or You still want to join another church ?

shadeyinka:

Is vision a hallucination?

a person can hallucinate and call it vision, Many of such among religious people. BUT ITS AN ESTABLISHED FACT even in your own bible that a vision is not REAL . ! if u dont know ask question and I will show you the verse

am discussing reality here , Next time you asked to give a proof dont present such .

achorladey:

Na mikeolu1 need this post pass. To him every suicide equates to an ex-Jw.

The Jehovah’s Witnesses in scholarly perspective:
What's new in the scientific study of Jehovean movement?
This is from the university of Oslo. You can find the abstract of this academic research here
https://philbarbey.jimdo.com/jws-rolf-furuli/

mikeolu1:


The Jehovah’s Witnesses in scholarly perspective:
What's new in the scientific study of Jehovean movement?
This is from the university of Oslo. You can find the abstract of this academic research here
https://philbarbey.jimdo.com/jws-rolf-furuli/

The studies of Rylander (1946), Pescor (1949), von Janner (1963), and Spencer (1975) of the mental health of JW are old, and they have several methodological weaknesses. Therefore, none of these studies can tell anything about the mental health of JW today.
Even the latest research will become old like the the researcher of this latest findings typed in his abstract. I rather make research on the bible more than on a research material you don't know someone else has proven or worked on to be incorrect.

701ecilana:


I can't remember saying anywhere that the dead are already in heaven.

Sorry about that, Its a known fact that Many Christians belive good people go to heaven when they die .

The dead both good and bad are all awaiting resurrection in Hades.

Hades is translated GRAVE in many bible . you mean they are in the grave ?

At Rapture the dead shall be raised to stand judgement, those of us who will still be alive shall be Caught up or raptured

ok

Hades is an abode of the dead. Its where the souls of the dead are kept. The bodies remains the graves, buy the souls go to Hades. When Christ died he went there to also minister the gospel to those who didn't know about him.

Wait

but Hades is translated Grave , do you agree ?

Good News Translation 1 Peter 3:19-20 and in his spiritual existence he went and preached to the imprisoned spirits.

These were the spirits of those who had not obeyed God when he waited patiently during the days that Noah was building his boat. The few people in the boat—eight in all—were saved by the water.

Even shadeyinka ran away when he saw the correct analysis of this verse

the portion said Jesus was made ALIVE from the dead before he went to preach. DID I LIE ? and general knowledge shows he wasn't made Alive until three days after his death.
So he didnt do that when he was still dead .

- The said Spirit are those who disobeyed in Noah's day . In your bible angels are reffered to as Spirit . Learn

And, when Christ died on the cross;

Good News Translation Matthew 27:52-53 the graves broke open, and many of God's people who had died were raised to life.

They left the graves, and after Jesus rose from death, they went into the Holy City, where many people saw them.

It will be funny if you'd say the souls of the dead in the above passage was kept in the literal grave made of sand.

Hades is Grave then , agree ?

Jesus had already informed us that the souls of the dead go to Hades which is in two compartment, Abraham's Bosom and the part which there's torments.

LIAR! the text never said Hades is divided into two compartments.

Must you lie ?

Luke:16:22-23
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luke:16:24
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

Luke:16:25
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luke:16:26

They are all kept in one place which had a gulf dividing them. They see themselves but couldn't cross over.

Notice the bolded words, Do people go to Hades with human bodies ? REsPOND .

The bodies we have now is not the same body we shall resurrect with. The Bible tells us that we shall be Changed to a Glorified body. We saw that in Christ the first from the dead, telling Mary Magdalene not to touch him yet. He rose with another body not the one which was torn apart by stripes.

We see what the Scriptures says in
Philippians:3:21

Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Again in 1 Cor 15:52-54 the Bible says;

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory..

So, we shall receive a new imperishable body. That body is what we shall use for eternity. Both good and evil.


Lol. Do you believe that Jesus resurrected? Yes he did. And he did with a glorified body which enabled him to pass through the Walls . He could be intangible or invisible if he wanted to, yet he ate food in that body.

Will you say he didn't have intestines? Didn't Jesus breath after resurrection?

John 21:12-15 Jesus said to them, “Come and eat.” [/b]None of the disciples dared ask him, “Who are you?” because they knew it was the Lord.

So Jesus went over, took the bread, and gave it to them; he did the same with the fish.

This, then, was the third time Jesus appeared to the disciples [b]after he was raised from death. Jesus and Peter After they had eaten, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these others do?” “Yes, Lord,” he answered, “you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Take care of my lambs.”

Maybe you shd check the meaning of contradiction again. Everything you don't understand is not a contradiction. Ask and you shall receive understanding.

Rapture must be lying then, Jesus you mentioned died and Resurrect before GETTING the glorious body, How come you Guy's aren't gonna die before getting yours ?

mikeolu1:


The Jehovah’s Witnesses in scholarly perspective:
What's new in the scientific study of Jehovean movement?
This is from the university of Oslo. You can find the abstract of this academic research here
https://philbarbey.jimdo.com/jws-rolf-furuli/

I forgot to add this: This research will have its own methodological weaknesses as well. What do think?

Peacefullove:


Sorry about that, Its a known fact that Many Christians belive good people go to heaven when they die .

Hades is translated GRAVE in many bible . you mean they are in the grave ?

ok

Wait
but Hades is translated Grave , do you agree ?

Even shadeyinka ran away when he saw the correct analysis of this verse

the portion said Jesus was made ALIVE from the dead before he went to preach. DID I LIE ? and general knowledge shows he wasn't made Alive until three days after his death.
So he didnt do that when he was still dead .

- The said Spirit are those who disobeyed in Noah's day . In your bible angels are reffered to as Spirit . Learn
Hades is Grave then , agree ?
LIAR! the text never said Hades is divided into two compartments.

Must you lie ?
Notice the bolded words, Do people go to Hades with human bodies ? REsPOND .

Rapture must be lying then, Jesus you mentioned died and Resurrect before GETTING the glorious body, How come you Guy's aren't gonna die before getting yours ?

First you called me a liar. I don't think i'd want to engage in this anymore. If you disagree you state your reasons why you take that stand. It's rude to call someone you are having a discussion with a liar.

Take back your statement, then we can go on.

shadeyinka:


Your responses just showed why I don't waste time discussing scriptures with atheists.

Psalm 115 vs 17 . the DEAD do not praise the Lord .

it didn't say carcass , False teacher .

its either you are alive or dead .

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Why not explain the true meaning of Abraham Bosom ? are u scared ?

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Why not accept that Yeshua didn't preach when he was dead like you want us to belive, but after he was made ALIVE . not dead anymore

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Why not explain the spirit in prison that are specifically those who are disobedient in Noah's day ?

dont forget you yourself have admit angels are SPIRIT beings , so I don't know why you find it hard to accept spirit in that place refer to angels and not humans

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701ecilana:

First you called me a liar. I don't think i'd want to engage in this anymore. If you disagree you state your reasons why you take that stand. It's rude to call someone you are having a discussion with a liar.

Take back your statement, then we can go on.

take back my statement, why ?

is it not true that The verse never said Hades is divided into two compartments . So if you say otherwise, isn't that a Lie ?

Prove you ain't lying by showing me where it says Hades is divided into two compartments. the onus is on you to prove your innocence and if genuine I will retract . Prove first !!!!

Peacefullove:


take back my statement, why ?

is it not true that The verse never said Hades is divided into two compartments . So if you say otherwise, isn't that a Lie ?

Prove you ain't lying by showing me where it says Hades is divided into two compartments. the onus is on you to prove your innocence and if genuine I will retract . Prove first !!!!

Okay, good bye. I don't indulge urchins.

Peacefullove:


Psalm 115 vs 17 . the DEAD do not praise the Lord .

it didn't say carcass , False teacher .

its either you are alive or dead .

.

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Why not explain the true meaning of Abraham Bosom ? are u scared ?

-----

Why not accept that Yeshua didn't preach when he was dead like you want us to belive, but after he was made ALIVE . not dead anymore

----

Why not explain the spirit in prison that are specifically those who are disobedient in Noah's day ?

dont forget you yourself have admit angels are SPIRIT beings , so I don't know why you find it hard to accept spirit in that place refer to angels and not humans

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What a confused soul.
SMH!

Peacefullove:


Psalm 115 vs 17 . the DEAD do not praise the Lord .

it didn't say carcass , False teacher .

its either you are alive or dead .

.

----

Why not explain the true meaning of Abraham Bosom ? are u scared ?

-----

Why not accept that Yeshua didn't preach when he was dead like you want us to belive, but after he was made ALIVE . not dead anymore

----

Why not explain the spirit in prison that are specifically those who are disobedient in Noah's day ?

dont forget you yourself have admit angels are SPIRIT beings , so I don't know why you find it hard to accept spirit in that place refer to angels and not humans

------

What a confused soul.
SMH

Peacefullove:


Psalm 115 vs 17 . the DEAD do not praise the Lord .

it didn't say carcass , False teacher .

its either you are alive or dead .

.

----

Why not explain the true meaning of Abraham Bosom ? are u scared ?

-----

Why not accept that Yeshua didn't preach when he was dead like you want us to belive, but after he was made ALIVE . not dead anymore

----

Why not explain the spirit in prison that are specifically those who are disobedient in Noah's day ?

dont forget you yourself have admit angels are SPIRIT beings , so I don't know why you find it hard to accept spirit in that place refer to angels and not humans

------

What a confused soul.
SMH!

achorladey:

mikeolu1, you see yourself? These are your subjects show them the way.

I'll better have questions I can't answer than answers I can't question.
If the gb don't have an answer to a bible question or prophecy, it's better they come out and say that. People will respect them a lot more than changing their interpretations sometimes several times and calling the new interpretation "new light".
That's crappie

So this people asking questions are better than many jw who think they know and then have what they claimed to know changed in few years.

This book is a must read. It succinctly explained issues of mental illness among rank and file of jw.

https://www.amazon.com/Jehovahs-Witnesses-Problem-Mental-Illness/dp/9993195286/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467897871&sr=8-1&keywords=Jehovah%27s+Witnesses+mental+illness

mikeolu1:

I'll better have questions I can't answer than answers I can't question.
If the gb don't have an answer to a bible question or prophecy, it's better they come out and say that. People will respect them a lot more than changing their interpretations sometimes several times and calling the new interpretation "new light".
That's crappie

So this people asking questions are better than many jw who think they know and then have what they claimed to know changed in few years.

Typical comment from an agnostics. Popular quotes they love using. Cross reference this with what is recorded in Matthew 7:7. Will it hold? Don't be afraid to seek satisfying answers to your questions. Even christ disciples ask numerous questions and not all of the questions were they able to assimilate the answers Jesus gave them. Don't put bias into them all in the name of your friend(Hairyrapunzel) calling it ''creating awareness''. Allow others to have as much knowledge as you have before putting bias in their mindset. It's the least you can do for such ones.

mikeolu1:

I'll better have questions I can't answer than answers I can't question.
If the gb don't have an answer to a bible question or prophecy, it's better they come out and say that. People will respect them a lot more than changing their interpretations sometimes several times and calling the new interpretation "new light".
That's crappie

So this people asking questions are better than many jw who think they know and then have what they claimed to know changed in few years.

A society should never become like a pond with stagnant water, without movement. The JWs is an organisation that keeps moving. New interpretation or new interpretation changing to new light it all points to an organisation that will not remain stagnant. Question or no question, answer or no answer.

mikeolu1:

This book is a must read. It succinctly explained issues of mental illness among rank and file of jw.

https://www.amazon.com/Jehovahs-Witnesses-Problem-Mental-Illness/dp/9993195286/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467897871&sr=8-1&keywords=Jehovah%27s+Witnesses+mental+illness

I went and looked up Dr. Bergman creditably. Although he has done a lot in the psychology field he is unqualified to write this book. It is said he was raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses but his bio on other pages says his mother became a Witness and he was raised by an Atheist father. It says he chose to become an Atheist like his father. This would make him not a creditable line of information on Witnesses as a group. All people all over the world have mental illness. Any good psychologist will tell you that no one group that causes the problems all on their own. This is because each family is different and parents are very imperfect. As a Psychologist who has true experience with Jehovah's Witnesses what these people are calling mental illness is also know to people as unselfishness. It is true they hold themselves to a high standard. But I ask you is it not the cheating, lying, and murder that we consider bad and illness in the world? In every group around the world there are people who are mentally ill. One group is not worse or better then another. It would appear that this so called doctor is just taking a personal view or vendetta a bit to far. To be a good psychologist you must remain objective and he seems to long since lost his objectivity. I noticed a least one of the reviews that says it is a good book is someone plugging her own anti Witness book. Although most of the reviews call this book what it is. A man with a personal problem that got someone to publish it for him. Oh the love of the First amendment and abuse there of.
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This is a great piece religious and psychological nonsense
August 31, 2002
by M.S. (Clintondale, New York United States)
I love to read, and I am very open minded about very many subjects including the one of religion. I ran across this book at my library and it seemed insteresting. Thats where the interesting part ends. This person is obviously carrying on some vendetta against this religious organization. It is truly sad that anyone is responsibly allowing this author to print this sloppy redundant psychological piece of work if you can call it that. The only redeeming quality to this book is that it allowed me a chance to catch up with my sleep.

mikeolu1:

This book is a must read. It succinctly explained issues of mental illness among rank and file of jw.

https://www.amazon.com/Jehovahs-Witnesses-Problem-Mental-Illness/dp/9993195286/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467897871&sr=8-1&keywords=Jehovah%27s+Witnesses+mental+illness

The signs of the times are here. Take heed.

achorladey:

A society should never become like a pond with stagnant water, without movement. The JWs is an organisation that keeps moving. New interpretation or new interpretation changing to new light it all points to an organisation that will not remain stagnant. Question or no question, answer or no answer.

In my one lifetime the interpretation of Matthew 24:34 “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place” has been changed 6 times. Every new gb has its own new interpretation.

David Splane explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generatiois explanation of this scripture.
In Jehovah's witnesses land, that's called "present truth"

achorladey:

A society should never become like a pond with stagnant water, without movement. The JWs is an organisation that keeps moving. New interpretation or new interpretation changing to new light it all points to an organisation that will not remain stagnant. Question or no question, answer or no answer.

Have you ever seen the governing body (GB) quote Det 18: 22?
You read what it says and ask yourself why the watchtower don't use that scripture

Det 18:22 When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him.’

achorladey:

Typical comment from an agnostics. Popular quotes they love using. Cross reference this with what is recorded in Matthew 7:7. Will it hold? Don't be afraid to seek satisfying answers to your questions. Even christ disciples ask numerous questions and not all of the questions were they able to assimilate the answers Jesus gave them. Don't put bias into them all in the name of your friend(Hairyrapunzel) calling it ''creating awareness''. Allow others to have as much knowledge as you have before putting bias in their mindset. It's the least you can do for such ones.

You are a deceitful person. There is a difference between followers not being able to assimilate and followers not being able to ask questions about doctrines. Stop making it look like he has a problem with assimilation when you and I know he can't ask questions that are contrary to their doctrines without being punished for it

A person has the right to know the advantages and disadvantages of joining any religion. You shouldn't shove man made non biblical doctrines down your followers throat

shadeyinka:
What a confused soul. SMH!

701ecilana

They ran away

mikeolu1:


In my one lifetime the interpretation of Matthew 24:34 “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place” has been changed 6 times. Every new gb has its own new interpretation.

David Splane explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generatiois explanation of this scripture.
In Jehovah's witnesses land, that's called "present truth"

am interested in this.

Yeshua make that statement, since you know the explanation . why not explain ?

don't just be a noisemaker, Respond to counter posts

mikeolu1:


Have you ever seen the governing body (GB) quote Det 18: 22?
You read what it says and ask yourself why the watchtower don't use that scripture

Det 18:22 When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him.’

Was Matthew 24:34 fulfilled ? Do you accept Jesus is a False Prophet ?

cc Mikeolu1 .

Why stay in a society you are not comfortable in for fear of disfellowship. How does this disfellowship thing work? All your family members cant shun you now. At least some friends can still stay by your side or Is that JW members dont make friends with non JW people?