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Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by valirex: 2:16pm On Jan 18, 2018 |
AxxeMan: Lol, leave them they won't grab sense until they die 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by valirex: 2:23pm On Jan 18, 2018 |
step1: Oyaaaaaaa.... For your mind SMH #OldGenerationBoy 1 Like |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by AxxeMan: 7:47pm On Jan 18, 2018 |
valirex: Abi oo 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by Theydontcare: 9:30pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
KUBA1987: 1260: Ife-Ife, Yoruban culture of non-Bantu Kwa-speakers, flourished in western Africa, producing remarkable terra cotta and bronze portrait heads, continuing Nok creative traditions. Ancient West African City Typologies: Ife (Baobab Project: GIS): http://baobab.harvard.edu/gis/WestAfricanCity/Ife/ifecity.html Ife: An Ancient Yoruba City State (Baobab Project: Narratives), with maps: http://baobab.harvard.edu/narratives/ife/Ife_intro.html Examples & Descriptions of Ife Sculpture (Prof. Oguibe, Univ. of So. Florida): [url]http://satie.arts.usf.edu/~ooguibe/africa7.htm Sorry! Link is broken, Dec. 2001.[/url] The World of the Yoruba: Ritual and Performance in Yorubaland (Anthropology/Africana Studies 267: Peoples and Cultures of Africa, Prof. Misty Bastian, Franklin and Marshall College, Lancaster, PA): http://www.fandm.edu/Departments/Anthropology/Bastian/ANT269/yoru.html Oni of Ife, Nigeria (Daniel Laine, Kings of Africa, Tamarin): [url] http://www.tamarin.com/king/kindire1.html [/url] Benin was a great empire but only came after Ile-ife which is not an empire. |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by Theydontcare: 9:52pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
KUBA1987: I would not dispute you claim will address it based on logic. Benin was a great empire no doubt. That does not mean it come before other great empires. The fact that Ife might not have commanded any influence does not mean it did not come before Benin. |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by jara: 10:21pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Why are some people so ignorant. Even the Yoruba Oba Omo N Oba or Eweka claimed a paternal relationship to Yoruba after he was called a son that made good in another land. So how reasonable is it for children to claim NO relationship whatsoever? Stop running from yourselves. If the Akenzua children accept their Yoruba-ness. Who the hell are their commoners, faceless e-warriors? This obsession of who met Europeans first is so shameful like America did not exist until Columbus. Please grow up. 3 Likes |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by jara: 10:50pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Please note Prof. Peter Ekeh on Bala Usman on who named Yoruba and Yoruba contact with Arab before European contact. http://www.waado.org/NigerDelta/Essays/BalaUsman/MischiefInHistory.html
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Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by Nobody: 11:32pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Stop claiming things when you have no proof to back them up. I don't want to enter an other sensless debate with a yoruba fellow, you guys have a problem with facts and logics. You decide things without having proof. Your are so ethnocentric that you can't even imagine it possible for someone to not place your "tribe" at the center of the world. You don't know when Benin Kingdom/Empire started its existance. The first litterate people who visited the area met Benin Empire. And that is where it ends. Now all other talk is futile. Theydontcare: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by AxxeMan: 11:34pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Yariiba Trying to escape thier naming by the Hausa Fulani Hahahahaha 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by Nobody: 11:43pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
This is so wrong in so many manners. 1) It is Omo n'Oba n'Edo 2) The event which you are trying to lie about didn't involve Oba Eweka 3) Our Oba and his subjects fought hard to get the hell out of the south-west in which the yoruba were trying to force their culture upon all others and had no respect for all that was not yoruba. 4) We are not yoruba and never will be, deal with it ! jara: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by AxxeMan: 11:51pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
KUBA1987: Oba Ewaure even said at his coronation right in front of thier useless ooni that the oduduwa they worship was a casted away Benin prince 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by macof(m): 11:56pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
jara: Great excerpt. I love to see historical minds in this forum |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by jara: 12:27am On Jan 21, 2018 |
Is this why Oba Bini went past his ancestor in Ife to pay homage and respect in Sokoto! His Benefactor. Has Bini been ever recognized or invited as a regional traditional ruler from the South when regional leaders meet? Just asking. [q[b][/b]uote author=KUBA1987 post=64377321]This is so wrong in so many manners. 1) It is Omo n'Oba n'Edo 2) The event which you are trying to lie about didn't involve Oba Eweka 3) Our Oba and his subjects fought hard to get the hell out of the south-west in which the yoruba were trying to force their culture upon all others and had no respect for all that was not yoruba. 4) We are not yoruba and never will be, deal with it ! [/quote] |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by Nobody: 2:29am On Jan 21, 2018 |
We Edo have no relationship with ife or yoruba. The land of our ancestors is in Benin Kingdom, not in ife. The Sultan of Sokoto visited Omo n'Oba n'Edo twice and visiting him was a very good thing to do, I wish there will be more visits and interactions between both Kingdoms. I would also like more interactions with the south-east. Our Oba's ancestors are Edo they have nothing to do with ife. Keep your silly stories for your retarded and mentally ill. Now feel free to discuss with yourself or other decerebrated people from yaba. I have left the building. jara: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by jara: 3:36am On Jan 21, 2018 |
I did not come here to exchange insults with ignoramus that cannot point to any authority more than a book written by a Yoruba Oba of Bini about 20 years ago, trying to crash Ogiso dynasty with strong resistance of Ogiamen. He settled them by leasing a land at every coronation. They had no choice anyway, Oranmiyan crushed their forefathers resistance. If he knew the history of Ogiso, he would have known that Ekhanleran founded Ughoton where he is celebrated every year. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by Olu317(m): 6:53am On Jan 21, 2018 |
Theydontcare:I am not sure either you are afraid to infer the truth or you want to psyche up the present Edo—Bini people to feel weighty beyond historical account . This is because, in all the contact the Portuguese had with Bini , they thought she controlled everywhere until truth came forth through questioning of the Oba Bini,who pointed to IFE ( Uhe in Bini)as the place his father came from and known with a title called Ooni( corrupted as Oghene by Binis) some later years. This is the reason some of them uses map to assume Bini was an Empire . Bini was a kingdom,that was the way it stood and will stand . An empire will influence the language of the conquered and their descendants will still exist there. There are people in Bénin, Togo, Ghana that claim descendants from ILE IFE. Attah of Igbira testified to the truth that some of their ancestors were of Yoruba origin, So why not call a spade a spade.? Let those proudly Bini that claimed they conquered territories who live outside the shore of Bini that claim no connection with Yoruba ,need be proud of themselves. Isn't it a shame that part of the area some Bini footsoldiers had lived and tried to dethrone the hierarchy in Eastern Yoruba were so many and one was Ondo town which was during the reign of Oba Arisekolasi. In fact, during the uprising, some of the indigenes collided with the Bini soldiers to kill Arisekolasi. And One of Oranmiyan descendant who was known as Prince Derin Ologbenla routed them out and gave Arisekolasi a befitting burial. And install another Yoruba king. Mind you, he didn't take over the kingdom as king. If you go to Ekiti state, you can verify the name and history of USI EKITI. This name and the town existed because of one warrior, a descendant of Oranmiyan known as Prince OLUSI/LUSI. He fought against Edos at Emure, Ado Ekiti etc to help his relatives whenever he was called upon. Mind you, he didn't overthrew the king and assume the position of the king. I mentioned two out of many. ILE IFE was a sacred and spiritual and physical home and was not expected to be an Empire. The instructions was always go out and bring fortune and greatness back to ILE IFE. Don't compare ILE IFE and Bini because the towns founded by Ooni descendants are everywhere ,how many towns did Bini dynasty founded? . They don't belong to the same class. Cheers N. B: Bini map by Professor OSARHIEME BENSON OSADOLOR 6 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by jara: 3:28am On May 06, 2018 |
So the Oba of Benin finally went back home to visit like a good son that made good outside. 1 Like |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by googi: 10:42pm On Jul 15, 2018 |
Is it really necessary to keep on repeating the same points over and over again when it has been established convincingly beyond any shadow of doubt that both Ogiso and Oba came from Ife. There were original people there, the Efa and Oru over which the two dynasties ruled. 2 Likes |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by BabaRamota1980: 12:34am On Jul 16, 2018 |
googi: Thank you bro! |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by jara: 4:38am On Feb 23, 2019 |
How many times and how much evidence do scholars have to submit before Edo bow to their Yoruba masters as their source of civilization? 3 Likes |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by Syogbe(m): 1:28pm On Oct 22, 2022 |
ILE-IFE IS THE OLDEST KINGDOM IN NIGERIA, NOT BINI Ile-Ife Kingdom is the Oldest Kingdom in Nigeria and 2nd oldest Kingdom after Sahelian kingdom of Ghana in West Africa which was recorded from 11th century. Some historical evidence prove that Ile-Ife was 4th Century while others said Ile-Ife has been in existence in the history of mankind, and the proof shouldn't be known to anyone or recorded. Greek Historian, Herodotus, the father of History who lived from 4824 BC until 424 BC said about Ife: " According to history there were five ancient cities in Africa between 3000 and 1000 BC of which one was Ife". According to BBC UK, The kingdom of Ife developed in the rainforest in the 600s. Its art and religion influenced the culture of Benin, which began in the 900s and reached the height of its power between the 1400s and the 1600s. Between 700 and 1600, there were three great empires in the centre of West Africa: Ancient Ghana, Mali and Songhai.They all grew immensely rich by trading in gold. One of the last great kingdoms was Asante. It was founded around 1700. The Asante people were famous for their work in gold. The Bini Kingdom that was later destroyed by the British was formed in 1170CE. Bini Kingdom was a neighbouring Kingdom to Ile-Ife Kingdom, and this is why in the history of bini today, the Ruler that established Obaship in bini was from Ile-Ife (Olumense 1719) etc. The largest ethnic in West Africa sources from Ile-Ife ranging from Nigeria, Benin Republic, Ghana, Gambia etc. The root of some of these ancient tribes in West African countries were traced to Ile-Ife. Father of history Herodotus, put in his record that the Europeans only attacked Bini kingdom due to disagreement, it is not that there are no other neighbouring kingdoms. If there were no neighbouring kingdom, then the prince of Ile-Ife wont be invited by bini people to rule over their land. Ile-Ife remains where it is today in a place now called Western Nigeria, but we can see majority of tribes even outside Nigeria tracing their roots to ile-ife. History reveals that Ile-Ife has been existing before historian started putting it in record. Ile-Ife wasn't created by any ruler or king. It was a forest before it was established by the inhabitant and records were taken. By Prof. Omodion Imafidon Nigeria, West Africa. Gossip House |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by RedboneSmith(m): 1:48pm On Oct 22, 2022 |
Syogbe: Again. This recently-minted lie that you people are spreading without shame. I have asked you people countless time to tell me where in his 'Histories' Herodotus mentioned Ife, let me go and check it out. I've had his book for years. It is on my shelf right now. I have read it. There was no mention of Ife in that book. There is no way Herodotus could have written the quoted sentence up there. How could somebody living in the BC era have written "between 3000 BC and 1000 BC"? People in his time were not reckoning time by BC and AD since Christ hadn't even been born yet. That quote is a fake, and an unintelligent fake at that! Tell us where in the book Herodotus said that, or share a screenshot of the page and let us read the words for ourselves. 1 Like |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by RedboneSmith(m): 1:52pm On Oct 22, 2022 |
Syogbe: Herodotus who lived hundreds of years before Christ recorded the European attack on Benin which happened more than two thousand years later, in AD 1897? Ahn Ahn, boss. Fear God small na. |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by macof(m): 4:53pm On Oct 22, 2022 |
Some people are hilarious |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by laiperi: 6:00pm On Oct 22, 2022 |
Herodotus writings before or after Christ has become a distraction to sidestep the main facts published by the writer. Did Ogiso and Ijaw come from Ife? RedboneSmith: |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by RedboneSmith(m): 8:52pm On Oct 22, 2022 |
laiperi: How is it a distraction or don't you understand chronology? Explain how someone who died around 425 BC could have written about an attack on Benin that happened in AD 1897. A full 2,321 years before the fact! Na Nostradamus im be? Show us where Herodotus wrote the things you people are claiming. The book is available online. Screenshot the page and bring, let's see. Stop telling unintelligent lies. |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by laiperi: 9:38pm On Oct 22, 2022 |
Please forget about Herodotus and answer the pertinent issue. Herodotus is superfluous here. |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by RedboneSmith(m): 10:28pm On Oct 22, 2022 |
laiperi: Herodotus (a pioneer Historian of the Ancient World) was mentioned more than twice and false quotes were attributed to him. I fact-checked them, and the best you can come up with is "forget about Herodotus"? Boy, you're a joker. Did the writer lie with Herodotus' name or not? |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by laiperi: 3:10am On Oct 24, 2022 |
The writer did not mention Herodotus. Stop nah! Face the real issue of Ogiso and Ijaw. |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by AutomaticMotors: 4:51am On Oct 26, 2022 |
The Yorubas on this thread are jokers ..... Upon all the awolowo free education smh!! |
Re: The Ogiso Of Bini & Ijaw Came From Ile-ife by macof(m): 6:32pm On Oct 26, 2022 |
laiperi:Na wa o. But why are you lying like this That article was a mess, don't mess yourself up by defending the undefendable. At best, retouch the article and remove all the nonsense laughable inaccuracies, so the main points will not be lost |
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