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Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by theosci: 6:53am On Feb 01, 2012 |
Nobody predicated salvation on a doctrine of the Trinity (other than DeepSight who had tried to dribble that non-starter into the thread and hang it upon my neck). That aside, there's no problem in withdrawing when you did, and I wouldn't suppose that you stayed because you wanted to argue Trinity one way or another as the foundation of salvation. Try Ellen G. White. She predicted salvation on the doctrine of the Trinity in many of her books like The Great Controversy and Desire of Ages. Yes, I know that you are going to say that Ellen White was a false prophet. Seems to be main hangup about her by critics. Nonetheless, she was a very notable writer that published 40 books and 5,000 periodical journals rather than some lunatic writing drivel on a forum thread. |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by Ndipe(m): 11:26pm On Jun 22, 2012 |
Perhaps (and in my own opinion), the definition of begotten means He was created physically by God the Father, to come to the earth to die for our sins. That explains the meaning of begotten, meaning, he was created specifically for this purpose or it could also mean His conception defied natural laws since Mary was pregnant without the knowledge of any man. That's my own opinion. However, prior to His incarnation, Jesus Christ has always co-existed with God the Father. http://bible.cc/hebrews/1-3.htm viaro: ^^ I understand, and thank goodness my reply didn't come across muddled for you. |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by MaziJero: 2:18pm On Feb 12, 2013 |
I wonder why ignorance holds sway in almost every sphere of life.It's indeed disheartening to still find people arguing with clear and profound truth.Jesus the person in question never in any recorded scriptures claimed to be God but instead he always said 'i was sent by my father...' 1 Like |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by CGKing(m): 3:20pm On Feb 18, 2013 |
Same Jesus said I and my Father r one. What's the point of this thread self? |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by sirkp: 7:14pm On May 20, 2013 |
[color=#000099][/color] but U̶̲̥̅̊ be fool o, which kind childish discovery be this now.......................
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Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by leorayvon2k2: 7:23am On Oct 18, 2013 |
please remember the following undisputable facts (this does not depend on your believe or unbelieve): *Jesus is God *Jesus is God the Son *Jesus is the express image of the invisible God *Jesus is NOT God's first creation *Jesus CANNOT BE CROWNED KING OF KINGS! WHO WILL/CAN CROWN GOD KING?! *Jesus is the GOD KING! *Jesus is the God of Adam! *Jesus is The Lord of All (Christians, Muslims, Budhist, Occultic, Atheist, Fetish, etc For He shall ressurect ALL TO FACE JUDGEMENT!! |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by Nobody: 8:57am On Oct 18, 2013 |
toba: Karo. Read what paul said in colossians1:19 FOR GOD WAS PLEASED TO HAVE ALL HIS FULNESS DWELL IN HIM. here paul is simply telling us to all d personalities dat makes God to be God was given to Jesus becos God wants a perfect person to redeem man. For the Father to have the fullness dwell in him, Jesus, doesnt it mean that the Father has a greater authority than him? again, the same thing was never said of the holy spirit. @ALL No one is reponding to the logical questions she used in supporting her points. All you guys do is circumvent the main issue and post out of context. She is not a kid to bow to coercion. 1 Like |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by Nobody: 9:18am On Oct 18, 2013 |
CGKing: Same Jesus said I and my Father r one. What's the point of this thread self? That doesnt present any contradiction. He never mearnt oneness in person, but that they work for the same thing, just like you can say the same of your father. Jesus however clearified matter in John 14:28: You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am. The fact is this: Jesus is the only begotten son to the father. My brother almighty God can never be begotten or son to anybody. But Jesus is. God cannot call Jesus my God or call him my Father. NEVER! But is it not revealinga that Jesus can call HIM my God and Father. Never can the almighty be subjected to Jesus but Jesus can be to the Father. 1 Like |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by dabayomi(m): 1:10pm On Aug 31, 2014 |
karo93: First of all Jesus never stated that he was God and never mentioned that there was a trinity [the trinity was never mentioned in the bible] for if these were propounded by Jesus it would have been evident in the new testament-the letters of the apostles and the life of Jesus. |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by ebetek: 12:04pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
esus Christ Claims to be God
Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12 - Jesus tells satan, "you shall
not tempt the Lord your God" in reference to
Himself.
Matt. 5:21-22; 27-28; 31-32; 33-34; 38-39; 43-44 -
Jesus makes Himself equal to God when He
declares, "You heard it said, but I say to you, "
Matt. 7:21-22; Luke 6:46 - not everyone who says
to Jesus, "Lord, Lord." Jesus calls Himself Lord,
which is God.
Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus
forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.
Matt. 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5 - Jesus says that
He is "Lord of the Sabbath." He is the Lord of God's
law which means He is God.
Matt. 18:20 - Jesus says where two or three are
gathered in His name, there He is in the midst of
them.
Matt. 21:3; Luke 19:31,34 - Jesus calls himself
"Lord." "The Lord has need of them."
Matt. 26:64; Mark 14:62; Luke 22:70 - Jesus
acknowledges that He is the Son of God.
Matt. 28:20 - Jesus said He is with us always, even
unto the end of the world. Only God is omnipresent.
Mark 14:36 - Jesus calls God "Abba," Aramaic for
daddy, which was an absolutely unprecedented
address to God and demonstrates Jesus' unique
intimacy with the Father.
Luke 8:39 - Luke reports that Jesus said "tell how
much God has done for you." And the man declared
how much Jesus did.
Luke 17:18 - Jesus asks why the other nine lepers
did not come back to give praise to Him, God,
except the Samaritan leper.
Luke 19:38,40 - Blessed is He who comes in the
name of the Lord. If these were silent, the very
stones would cry out.
John 5:18 - Jesus claimed to be God. The Jews
knew this because Jesus called God His Father and
made Himself equal to God. This is why Jesus was
crucified.
John 5:21-22 - Jesus gives life and says that all
judgment has been given to Him by the Father.
John 5:23 - Jesus equates Himself with the Father,
"whoever does not honor the Son does not honor
the Father who sent Him."
John 6:38 - Jesus says, "For I have come down
from heaven."
John 8:12 - Jesus says "I am the light of the world."
- 1 John 1:5 - God is light and in him there is no
darkness at all.
John 8:19 - Jesus says, "if you knew me, you
would know my Father also."
John 8:23 - Jesus says that He is not of this world.
Only God is not of this world.
John 8:58 - Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I
AM." Exodus 3:14 - "I AM" means "Yahweh," which
means God.
John 10:18 - Jesus says He has the power to lay
down His life and take it up again - Gal. 1:1 - God
raised Jesus to life.
John 10:30 - Jesus says, "I and the Father are
one." They are equal. The Jews even claimed
Jesus made Himself equal to God. Jesus' statement
in John 14:28, "the Father is greater than I," cannot
contradict John 10:30 (the Word of God is never in
conflict). Jesus' statement in John 14:28 simply
refers to His human messianic role as servant and
slave, which He, and not the Father or the Holy
Spirit, undertook in the flesh.
John 10:36 - again, Jesus claims that He is "the
Son of God."
John 10:38; 14:10 - "the Father is in me and I am in
the Father" means the Father and Son are equal.
John 12:45 - Jesus says, "He who sees Me sees
Him who sent Me." God the Father is equal to God
the Son.
John 13:13 - Jesus says, "You call me Teacher and
Lord and you are right for so I AM."
John 14:6 - Jesus says "I am the way, and the truth
and the life." Only God is the way, the truth and the
life.
John 16:15 - Jesus says, "all things that the Father
has are Mine." Jesus has everything God has which
makes Him God.
John 16:28 - Jesus says that "He came from the
Father and has come into the world."
John 17:5,24 - Jesus' desire is for us to behold His
glory which He had before the foundation of the
world.
John 20:17 - Jesus distinguishes His relationship to
the Father from our relationship by saying "My
Father and your Father."
Rev. 1:8 - God says He is the "Alpha and the
Omega." In Rev. 22:13, Jesus also says He is the
"Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the
beginning and the end." The only possible
conclusion one can reach is that Jesus is equal to
the Lord God.
Rev. 1:17 - Jesus says again, "I am the First and
the Last." This is in reference to the God prophesied
by Isaiah in Isaiah 44:6, 41:4, 48:12.
Rev. 1:18 - Jesus, the First and the Last, also says
"I died, and behold, I am alive for evermore." When
did God ever die? He only did in the humanity of
Jesus Christ our Lord and God.
Rev. 2:8 - Jesus again says, "The words of the First
and the Last, who died and came to life." When did
God die and come to life? In our Lord and Savior
Jesus Christ. |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by ebetek: 12:11pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
Rev. 1:18 - Jesus, the First and the Last, also says
"I died, and behold, I am alive for evermore." When
did God ever die? He only did in the humanity of
Jesus Christ our Lord and God. Rev. 2:8 - Jesus
again says, "The words of the First and the Last,
who died and came to life." When did God die and
come to life? In our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Mat 1:22 So the Lord's promise came true, just as
the prophet had said,
Mat 1:23 "A virgin will have a baby boy, and he will
be called Immanuel," which means "God is with us."
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the
Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the
mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto
the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up
into glory.
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling
the world unto himself, not imputing their
trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us
the word of reconciliation.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O
God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of
righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in
Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not
robbery to be equal with God:
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through
philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of
men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after
Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the
Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the
head of all principality and power:
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Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by jentlguy: 6:41pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
Y argue on what wont benefit u spiritually Pray to God through our savior Jesus Christ to send his holy spirit to teach his word, explain and interpret them to u. Also to reveal d mystery and secret of God. |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by yungpowers(m): 9:50pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
You really tried, though you weren't right in all. If I got you right, you said Jesus didn't create, rather he was created. But remember this; In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. The word became flesh and made His dwelling among men. through Him (the word= Jesus) all things were made. Without Him, nothing was made that has been made. John 1:1-3 The Father confirmed from the beginning that He create all with the son through this; Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a ] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” He was really referring to His son Jesus. Thanks.... JMAN05:You really tried, though you weren't right in all. If I got you right, you said Jesus didn't create, rather he was created. But remember this; In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. The word became flesh and made His dwelling among men. through Him (the word= Jesus) all things were made. Without Him, nothing was made that has been made. John 1:1-3 The Father confirmed from the beginning that He create all with the son through this; Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a ] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” He was really referring to His son Jesus. Thanks.... |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by sonmvayina(m): 8:03pm On Jul 04, 2015 |
leorayvon2k2: if all you posted here is true..let me ask you a question..why did the disciples abandon him on the night he was arrested? if they knew or he told them he was God. if i knew i was with GOD son and he was just about to get arrested, i will stay and be with him all through the way, even if i die i am sure of heaven. why did no body come forward to testify at his trials? he opened peoples eyes, raised the dead and fed 5000 men, not even one was there to say something good about him?? or confirm the claim?....dont you think there is more to the story than meet the eyes.. 1 Like |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by Nobody: 12:41pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
yungpowers: Oga, none of the above relate to my comment. |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by Nobody: 4:34pm On Jul 23, 2015 |
lol i just cant stop laughing when ants wants to perform experiments made by man pls tell me is it brain capable thats what i liken those that feel they can understand GOD completely i really didnt read the whole of the post but i saw that no 4 hahah he said you cant take something from yourself. anyways the trinity is one GOD but each has his own personality its three in one |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by Nobody: 4:48pm On Jul 23, 2015 |
[color=#990000][/color]maybe some of you that says JESUS never claimed to be GOD would sue him for blasphemy or would you say he isnt the one the one talking in rev1;8 |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by brocab: 5:20am On Jan 05, 2016 |
We just need to look up these scriptures, to prove the Trinity does exist. John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said the them, "Destroy this temple, and in 3 day's I will raise it up. Colossians 2:12 "Buried with Him in baptism, in which you were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. Romans 8:11 "But if the spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your moral bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. So who's telling the truth, did Christ raise Himself up, or did God raise Him up. Is the bible a miss print? Or the bible isn't a miss print, and as the bible tells us, it is true and correct, that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are One in all. |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by Nobody: 12:00pm On Jul 15, 2016 |
I don't see "romans 20 vs 28" in my bible,the chapters are limited to 16,how do u come about the aforementioned? |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by brocab: 12:34am On Jul 16, 2016 |
Try Acts 20:28. tundexweb: |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by Nobody: 12:41am On Jul 16, 2016 |
brocab:ok. |
Re: Biblical Quotes Proving That Jesus Is Not God And The Absence Of The Trinity. by Crownylord(m): 9:47am On Aug 16, 2016 |
O men. No be small thing. This topic gidigan. What about 1john 5:7. |
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