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Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by Deedeedee0: 7:28am On Sep 13, 2017 |
myright:Se won fi epe se e ni? You Ebows should face the military yourselves. Dont drag "Yoruba cowards" into it. 5 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by victorDanladi: 7:28am On Sep 13, 2017 |
SalamRushdie:This little tribalist thing will later come to nairaland to insult the yorubas NAIRALAND REKNOWNED YORUBA INSULTER! You've forgotten that yorubas are betrayals and cowards 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by Wyttcat: 7:30am On Sep 13, 2017 |
Oh yes! Last year! I was shocked and started by explaining to him that it's like a man that goes out to a garage and brings a street fight into his living room. He took it hot and I followed suit. JohnXcel: 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by Anticabal: 7:31am On Sep 13, 2017 |
DonVikings: But the last time I check you are an almajiri. |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by Deedeedee0: 7:33am On Sep 13, 2017 |
fabre4:Go and defend your land. Stop calling Ewedu and Amala people to fight for you. We are not Southerners but South Westerners. Got it? 4 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by victorDanladi: 7:39am On Sep 13, 2017 |
okway2:Abi ooo where arthur nzeribe continue making money out of abacha and campaigning for him. The way IGBOs behave atimes ehn -They will chestbeat -later come back go play victim card So the flatees can come back to the cowards to come and fight for them 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by victorDanladi: 7:44am On Sep 13, 2017 |
omohayek: I ALWAYS SAY THIS: IF BIAFRA IS GRANTED TODAY,IGBOs WILL STILL BLAME THEIR PROBLEMS ON NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES OR ECOWAS AND CLAIM ECOWAS COUNTRIES ARE ENVYING THEM OR JEALOUS OF THEM AND DECLARE OTHER ECOWAS COUNTRIES ZOO. And that will not stop them from begging for ECOWAS assistance later ooo. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by DonVikings: 7:44am On Sep 13, 2017 |
potipher7:Kanu is a Urine King Pig. |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by Deedeedee0: 7:48am On Sep 13, 2017 |
No Yoruba man should defend the Igbos. If it was the other way round, you will see them making comments like: sebi na una vote for am. Make una carry una cross. This is what you get for betraying the South., Fulani people wan take over Yorubaland. Emir in Osun and Ekiti loading, Where is that Oba lil wayne? Sebi he said we ibos will drown in the lagoon? Let the coward defend his people now. Whatever is happening in Igboland should not concern Yoruba people. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by victorDanladi: 7:51am On Sep 13, 2017 |
IGBOs have forgotten yorubas are not part of the south as they've claimed southsouth will fight for them 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by Deedeedee0: 7:52am On Sep 13, 2017 |
myright:Ogbeni lo sun jor |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by victorDanladi: 7:55am On Sep 13, 2017 |
potipher7:AND YOU WILL COME BACK HERE TOMORROW CODEDLY SOLICITING FOR YORUBA CHRISTIANS SUPPORT BY SHOUTING YORUBA MUSLIMS. this is not you jewish igbo Christian first time! 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by victorDanladi: 7:58am On Sep 13, 2017 |
myright:This one will come back here tomorrow to claim lagos is a no mans land.Where did you learn your yoruba? Awon,greed, ingrate,okanjua,Alaimore ,omo irankiran. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by omohayek: 8:09am On Sep 13, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi:It's nice to be principled and all, but there is such a thing as being too principled for your own good. Would you think it made sense to be so committed to the principle of always telling the truth that you go ahead and disclose the location of matches to a would-be arsonist? How about being so principled in your obedience for the law that, say, as a German in 1940, you go and snitch on the Jews hiding in your neighbours' basement to the local Gestapo, for "breaking the law"? The point I'm making here is that there is no such thing as a "principle" so absolute that it must be held to under all circumstances. There is also something called "common sense", which ought to tell you when holding on to a principle simply isn't worth it, and it defies common sense to take a "principled" stance on behalf of people who hate you with every fiber of their being, to the extent that they would rather fail themselves than see you succeed. If you think this intense hatred and envy is a thing of a mere few "trolls", you're engaging in self-deception of the highest order: it was clearly on display after the June 12 debacle, when leaders in the south-east stayed silent as the likes of Arthur Nzeribe and Daniel Kanu came out of the woodwork to become apologists for Abacha's sham transition to becoming a "democratic" leader, and it has been very much on display throughout Nnamdi Kanu's rise to prominence, which he gained by consistently denigrating "Yorobbers" and "Foolanis", only changing his tune very recently. There is clearly a huge constituency in the SE for rabble rousers who want to blame Yoruba "duplicity" for everything wrong with their lives, while there is no Igbo equivalent of Wole Soyinka and other principled Yorubas who stick their necks out for the Igbo cause. What has this one way street of principle over several decades bought us so far? Nothing but insults and accusations. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by myright: 8:16am On Sep 13, 2017 |
Deedeedee0:peace bro...ko to ija |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by myright: 8:17am On Sep 13, 2017 |
victorDanladi:peace bro |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by Obi1kenobi(m): 10:51am On Sep 13, 2017 |
omohayek: Those are pretty extreme analogies. And citizens hiding Jews are principled people who put themselves at risk against the sanctioned power of the time. There is no such thing as being "too principled". The very idea of being principled is showing an objective recognition of right and wrong and being driven by morality. It is not a flexible virtue. You're either principled or you're not. There are a lot of black people that despise white people. There are still tens of millions of white people who would never stop advocating for the rights of disadvantaged minorities. Clearly, you take Nairaland and social media too seriously. It's absurd to generalize Igbos in the way you've done, claiming we'll rather see you fail than succeed and "hate you with every fiber of our being". Like seriously? I interact with Igbos everyday of my life and that's nonsense. If you claim that, then you don't sound less hateful than the Igbos you speak of, cos those are bigoted sentiments. In the real world, Igbo and Yoruba people get along just fine. I went to a society wedding a few months ago that had plenty of the who-is-who in the Nigerian elite. The bride was Yoruba getting married to an Edo man - the Edo governor, Obaseki, was also there - and during the throwing of the bouquet, when she called out her unmarried friends in her bridal train, most of her friends were igbo with names like Chinasa and Ngozi and the M.C cracked a joke about it. In real society, probably no group outside your Edo or maybe Itsekiri kin get along better with Yoruba people than Igbos. You've embraced a toxic mindset if you walk around in the real world with such a perception of Igbos. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by omohayek: 12:23pm On Sep 13, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi:Nonsense! The "Gestapo and Jews" example I chose is a textbook illustration of the absurdity of moral absolutism, one drawn from real life; I could easily have replaced it with rioting northerners asking their neighbors if their fellow tenants were Igbo, so they could decide whether to kill them or not. "Thou Shalt Not Lie" is as clearcut a principle as there ever was, drawn right from the 10 commandments, and one Immanuel Kant even used to illustrate his own philosophy, yet here you are trying to use pointless sophistry to pretend otherwise, so you can continue to make the ridiculous demand that Yorubas fall on their swords for people who detest them. Clearly, you take Nairaland and social media too seriously. It's absurd to generalize Igbos in the way you've done, claiming we'll rather see you fail than succeed and "hate you with every fiber of our being". Like seriously? I interact with Igbos everyday of my life and that's nonsense. If you claim that, then you don't sound less hateful than the Igbos you speak of, cos those are bigoted sentiments. In the real world, Igbo and Yoruba people get along just fine. I went to a society wedding a few months ago that had plenty of the who-is-who in the Nigerian elite. The bride was Yoruba getting married to an Edo man - the Edo governor, Obaseki, was also there - and during the throwing of the bouquet, when she called out her unmarried friends in her bridal train, most of her friends were igbo with names like Chinasa and Ngozi and the M.C cracked a joke about it. In real society, probably no group outside your Edo or maybe Itsekiri kin get along better with Yoruba people than Igbos. You've embraced a toxic mindset if you walk around in the real world with such a perception of Igbos.Again, this is nonsense: I haven't said anything about how all Igbos feel, or even necessarily most of them, but even if we're only talking 30% of Igbos harboring a deep animus against Yorubas, that's still millions of people. The fact that you know decent, open-minded Igbos (and are one yourself) doesn't make you in any way special, as I do too, and have even stood up several times to defend the likes of Okonjo-Iweala, Soludo and Kachikwu on this very forum - check my posting history. The difference between you and I is that I don't generalize from my limited personal experience with cosmopolitan and fair-minded Igbos, who live in Lagos and travel abroad regularly, to assuming that they are representative of their poorer, untravelled brethren in the SE, as Nnamdi Kanu's popularity clearly suggests they are not. Pretending that anyone who follows IPOB and has heard Kanu's radio speeches isn't likely to be a fierce hater of Yorubas is as silly as pretending that someone who regularly visits Stormfront and other such sites isn't likely to detest blacks and Jews. Do I think IPOB - which, despite all attempts at denying it, is very much an anti-Yoruba and anti-northerner hate movement - represents the views of the average Igbo person? In all honesty, probably not, at least not for Igbos of middle or higher class backgrounds. Still, I see the silent tolerance the movement has enjoyed from even those better classes, just as I remember all too well how Igbos of all backgrounds stayed silent while Abacha hunted down Yorubas demanding that Abiola's mandate be respected; even if the majority of Igbos don't harbor enough ill-will to wish Yorubas harm per se, it is beyond doubt that most feel no obligation to put themselves out for our sake, not even those who have lived peacefully among us and socialized with us for decades. All I am saying here is that we too should do no more than they would do for us: we wish them no harm, and I would personally like to see IPOB's desire for a free and fair referendum granted, but it is not our place to stick our necks out for people who have never done so in the past, and are unlikely to ever do so in future no matter what we risk on their behalf. 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by fabre4: 12:27pm On Sep 13, 2017 |
Deedeedee0: I'd never call you to defend my land I'm just saying its better to have a united front against the north. |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by Obi1kenobi(m): 1:17pm On Sep 13, 2017 |
omohayek:Sophistry in my opinion would be using grotesquely extreme analogies to score your point. Remotely attempting any kind of comparison of your little moral dilemma on an internet forum with those who hid and protected Jews in the Holocaust is absurd however you look at it. "Falling on your sword" is another absurdly extreme rhetorical flourish. Supporting universal rights that should protect all including Igbos doesn't make you a martyr for goodness sakes. It just makes one ideologically consistent. You either believe in those rights or you don't. You can't apply them selectively while talking about "principles". And I never defined "principle" in terms of moral absolutism. I grant you that the notion of right and wrong is hardly an absolute, but some notions are far more universal than others. A Polish man in Warsaw hiding Jews in his basement embraces a higher moral calling of protecting the right to life of all humans than than lower calling of obedience to the state. In any case I wouldn't want to overflog the case, seeing as I already pointed out it's bizarre to even be evoking images of the holocaust to support a comparatively trite view.
We're living in a parallel universe here where you somehow implied that I made the generalizations in trying to refute your own generalizations. Mind you, plenty of prominent Yoruba citizens have made inciting speech against Igbos in the past. Fani Kayode did so to rapturous support on Nairaland from Yorubas during the whole Fashola deportation saga. Oba Akiolu did so to rapturous support from Yorubas here during the Lagos elections. Ladoke Akintola did so as far back as the First Republic and was a very popular demagogue in Western Region politics. So Kanu's following is irrelevant. I was pretty much a baby when Abiola lost his mandate in the early 90's, so I can't say I'm well schooled on the subject. Your antecedents show you might have skewed your version of events, but I wouldn't labour the point. The point remains that your support or otherwise of the military incursions in the SE should not have to depend on your prejudices about Igbos but on your personal values. That's what makes one a better man. |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by 7lives: 1:23pm On Sep 13, 2017 |
crimeboss: Igba wo gan ni Igbo di ojugba Omo Oodua, keep deceiving yourself, so despite all the hate and negative images that Igbos are creating for Yorubas all over the cyberspace because Awo did not allow them to annex our homelands, you still go around talking like this?. Aja to ba ma sonu ni, ko kuku ni gbo fere olode. Anyway, abo oro laa so fun omoluabi, ti o ba de inu e a di odidi. Sonu (SOJI) ki o ma ba sonu, ire o. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by laudate: 1:42pm On Sep 13, 2017 |
graphiti: Graphiti, my friend....how body?! All I would say are those your famous words, which I love to repeat: "Make everybody hol' im mama brezz!" 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by ImperialYoruba: 2:22pm On Sep 13, 2017 |
Wyttcat: Everything you wrote here is full of venom. There are qestions I want to ask you but wisdom prevails on me to leave it alone. Those who are vindictive are worse enemy to the Yoruba cause than are saboteurs. Saboteurs you can contain. How do you manage a compatriot, a member of your team, that is plotting for opportunity to sting you? That is a worse enemy. You brought a encounter from many months ago, still lurking in your heart, and dumped it here to attack me with a sting. Go through my posts, my action and sentiments on Yoruba cause speaks for itself. On this particular incidence, I stand on my priniciple. It is bad and it is wrong and it is cruel. Ibo will not end the only victim of this assault, it will soon spread. Besides, Ibo is a new comer to African civilizations. Those who pioneered democratic principles and social orders ought to be more accomodating and reflective. Look, fulani is a stateless Nigerian. There is nowhere in Nigeria that is indigenous fulani land.... Yet, fulani has continously claimed posessions and access belonging to others, Yoruba included. About seven years ago the entire South stood up with one voice and fought against push from North, we succeeded in making Jonathan President. If same scenario were to happen today to Buhari as did Yaradua, Yoruba alone will not succeed the fight to enthrone Osinbajo. There is no doubting this because we just experienced a taste of that impossibility with the treatment of the Acting President in absence of Buhari. Yoruba, with all our bravado could not do anything to impose our will. Also, you might not have noticed that since Buhari returned every meeting he has had with the VP, Abba Kyari is in attendance. This was not the case before. They know Buhari will not last and are prepared for a political transition that will take different shape from the one seven years ago when we displaced their attempt tobretain power unconstitutionally. In fact, they are so ambitious in the power struggle that the letter sent by Buhari to Senate on his exit to London was intercepted and modified to scale down Osinbajo's authority, designating him a Coordinating substitute rather than an Acting substitute as demanded in constitution. Unlike Yorubas that argue everypoint from a legal and constitutional angle, these fulanis are not a respecter of constitution and legal statutes...they have never been. They operate strictly from native intelligence, spiced with religious fanaticism. Our strive should be direct engagement and stern opposition against the fulani. Fulani has diminished all the legacy Imperial powers in North - Hausa and Kanuri. Yoruba is a challenge for them and they are working on completely destroying our legacy. We are also thr most powerful Southern group that can stand in their way and defeat their desire to completely own Nigeria. The strategy is first to isolate us by conquering those who are potentials to ally with us. They keep testing this strategy and in each instance they get a positive outcome it reinforces their convinction and strength. We dont need to merge with Ibo as a culture but at same time Ibo is not completely useless to our cause and struggle. There are aspects of strength in numbers that can be beneficial to each of us when we face North as an opponent. I wont say more than this. Please, learn to let past be past and stop holding grudges in your hearts to sting people with. 3 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by 7lives: 2:43pm On Sep 13, 2017 |
Yorubas don't need Igbos to achieve anything in Nigeria so what exactly is your point. We can't just sing bygones, respect is reciprocal. Those who had been scheming to take over our homelands and subjugate us since Independence are NOT OUR FRIENDS. They did virtually everything they could to sabotage our match for greatness, abeg make dem dey follow their lane jare. A kii so eran mo eran ki ikan kan ikan pa, KILODE gan na?. Eni da eeru l'eeru n'to, let them face their problems. 3 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by ImperialYoruba: 3:13pm On Sep 13, 2017 |
My focus is not Igbo. My focus is self survival for Yoruba. All Ibo has done so far is talk and run propagandas. Fulani is a greater danger than Ibo. We just wrapped a summit in Ibadan and our leaders position cannot be wrong when they say Yoruba need to self rule. Current obstacle to self rule is not Ibo. Its fulani. The fulani herdsmen, the fulani state rulers, the fulani grazing advocates and the security services are all one body and in concert. They march togeher using different pressure points to displace opponents. They dont care, Ibo, Yoruba, Ijaw...they are ready to displace all and own Nigeria and its resources. This is where my attention is, not Ibo. Ibo on this episode happens to be the collateral. 3 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by Nobody: 3:51pm On Sep 13, 2017 |
Wyttcat:Once again, great post sir! Any Yoruba wey wan dey stand for Igbo, stands alone. (And I speak for majority of Yoruba's even though there is a dying breed of saboteurs among us.) Every man for himself, God for every man. However, if you are a friend to the Yoruba's, we will be a friend to you as well... God bless Yorubaland. God bless the SW. AMEN! 3 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by Wyttcat: 4:43am On Sep 15, 2017 |
Right on! Btw, I be woman, just the Moremi spirit. JohnXcel: 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Must Speak Up And Denounce The Military Siege In SE by Markfemi: 4:50am On Sep 15, 2017 |
No point of defending Igbo If it happened to Yoruba All sorts of derogatory terms would have been used so don't stress 2 Likes |
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