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Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by terrezo2002(m): 1:00pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
9jawear:On the contrary, those writings were stolen from the Bible. |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by 9jawear(m): 1:06pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
It is clear that the stories in the Quran are not revelation but plagiarized stories from a number of other sources. Most of the people who bring this up are Christians or other Non-Muslim theists but they have a good point. If you look at the Quran in historic context and study the exegesis of its teachings, it becomes obvious that aside from its constant claims that "God is great", lawgiving and bigotry against the "Infidel", it is little more than a compilation of borrowed stories from Arabian myths, folk tales, Buddhist legends, the Jewish Talmud, Midrash, and apocryphal works as well as Gnostic gospels and other apocryphal Christian tales. There is more plagiarism in the Quran than in the Book of Mormon, and that's saying something! Some of the stories in the Quran were borrowed third hand such as the tale of Mary and the Fig Tree which seems to have originated in a Buddhist legend and was later borrowed by the Gnostics. The same is true of the talking infant Jesus which was originally a story about Buddha that was again borrowed by the Gnostics. Given that Muhammad thought Jesus Mother Mary was Aaron's sister Miriam and therefore Moses' sister too, it seems Muhammad was a bit confused. That would make Mary something like 1200 years old when she gave birth to Jesus (assuming that any of this ever happened). Muslims claim that the Quran is perfect and if you can find one fault in it, the whole thing is disproved. Well, I think we have a winner. Many of the stories were well known to Muhammad and his contemporaries. One of his favorite concubines was a Christian. So, he didn't get any revelations. He was just a common thief, or rather an uncommon thief since he was so successful with his plagiarism. some elements of Zoroastrianism are found in Islam. Zoroastrians were practicing the five daily prayers long before Islam hit the scene. The Sarat (or Serat) bridge is another name for the Chinvat Peretu ("bridge of separation") of the Gathas. |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by 9jawear(m): 1:07pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
terrezo2002: Hmmm you see yourself, these writings were written way before the bible was written , do you research and see |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by terrezo2002(m): 1:08pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
Demmzy15:I don't have the power to argue. The Bible still remains the source of inspiration from which other books were written. It contains history of man, direct words from God, story of Israel, prophecies concerning the future, fulfilled prophecies and many more. Many people have tried to work against it, but they failed just as you too will fail |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by 9jawear(m): 1:11pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
Not only was the idea of one Supreme God known to the contemporaries of Muhammad, but it is an indisputable fact that most of the ceremonies connected with the Muhammadan pilgrimage also, which Muhammad pretended had been taught him by revelation, were already in existence long before his time, and were regularly performed by the idolatrous Arabs. The famous Muslim historian Abu'l-Fida hey (the pre-Islamic Arabs) used to perform the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, where they put on the 'umra and ihra'm, and they also performed the tawaf (circumambulation of the Ka'ba), and the running at Mounts Safa and Marwa, and the casting of stones, and at the end of every three years spent a month in solitary contemplation ... and they performed circumcision, and cut off the right hand of thieves." This testimony of Abu'l-Fida leaves no room for doubt that all these practices, together with various ceremonial ablutions mentioned by him, were observed long before the time of Muhammad, and were simply borrowed by the latter and incorporated into his system as though revealed from heaven. Even his own immediate followers found it difficult to harmonize the retention of these idolatrous practices with a purely theistic system; and there is a Tradition recorded by Muslim which relates that, But Muhammad did not restrict his plagiarism to the Arabs. His journeys into Syria and elsewhere brought him into contact with many Persians and others, from whom he adopted many ideas relating to heaven and hell, judgment and reward, which afterwards appeared, adapted and altered, Islam plaigarism at its best This damaging admission furnishes a key to the understanding of much of the Qur'an which would otherwise be difficult of apprehension, for it clearly indicates the source of the many Persian words and conceptions to be found therein. Any comparison of the Zoroastrian cosmogony with the stories of heaven and hell, death and judgment, which now adorn the pages of the Qur'an, will make it undeniably clear that Muhammad learned them from the many Persians with whom he had intercourse, and then gave them out to the ignorant Arabs in his own eloquent language as a revelation from heaven. The conceptions thus borrowed from Zoroastrianism may generally be traced by the presence of Persian words in the narratives which contain them, for it is certainly a legitimate inference to draw that, if the word used to describe a hitherto unknown religious conception be Persian in its origin, then the conception itself is also derived from that source. Now, it is a striking fact that in the book which Muhammad is never tired of describing as the "perspicuous Arabic Qur'an" we find quite a large number of foreign words embodying conceptions which are found in the very systems from whence those words come. The inference is clear that the conceptions themselves were borrowed also. The Qur'a'nic stories of the Houris of Paradise are likewise borrowed from the Persians. Every reader of the Qur'an is familiar with the pictures of the sensual paradise found here, and of the Houris with large black eyes who recline upon luxurious couches waiting the embraces of the faithful. But for him who dreadeth the tribunal of his Lord, there are two gardens, planted with shady trees. In each of them are two fountains flowing. In each of them are of every fruit two kinds. They shall repose on couches, the linings whereof are of thick silk interwoven with gold; and the fruit of the two gardens are near at hand. Therein are (maidens) refraining their eyes, whom neither man nor demon hath approached before. They are like rubies and pearls. Shall the reward of good works be any other than good? And besides these there are two other gardens of a dark green. In each of them are two fountains pouring forth plenty of water. In each of them are fruits and palm-trees and pomegranates. Therein are agreeable and beautiful maidens, Houris kept in pavilions, whom neither man nor demon hath approached before. They shall recline on green cushions and beautiful carpets." These tales of the Houris, many writers have shown, are derived from ancient Persian legends about beautiful female spirits who inhabit Paradise and captivate the hearts of men. These 'Pairakas,' as they are called, must often have been described to Muhammad in song and story; and the very word 'hur,' by which he described them in the Qur'an, and which is itself of Persian origin, and derived from the Pahlavi 'hur' meaning 'light,' sufficiently indicates the source of the whole story.1 The same might be said of the fables of the Qur'an concerning the 'Jinn ' or evil spirits, for the Persian origin of the term - it being derived from the Avestic 'Jaina' - makes it clear that this conception also was derived from the Persians, whose books contain similar stories. |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by 9jawear(m): 1:13pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
terrezo2002: You dont need to argue , bro , you have been deceived the stories from the bible were stolen from ancient books before it ,same stories just remixed a little bit. |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by 9jawear(m): 1:14pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
But if the facts be as described above, how, we ask, can the Qur'an be accepted as the word of God, given in its entirety to Muhammad by the angel Gabriel? It is proved, on the contrary, that the Prophet adopted ideas and doctrines from the Hanifs, Sabians, Zoroastrians and others. The presumption is that the rest of the Qur'an is borrowed also. 1 Like |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by Dindondin(m): 1:15pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
Eno38151:If i didn't interfere, how will I tell the gullible ones about the myths from Mecca & injustice to muslim women? After all, I v paid the price by clicking to the oath of this section. Wonder where those yeye boys like hahn & son_of_lucifer are. |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by terrezo2002(m): 1:39pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
9jawear:I don't accept your claims. The Bible is working for me and for many. It is most important book in the world. It has brought deliverance, healing, light and salvation to many. That is enough for me. I don't see how your assertions can help anybody. |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by 9jawear(m): 1:42pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
terrezo2002: Religion works for everybody bro, thats why they call it self belief system It is not only christianity that has miracles, signs,prophecies and wondrous works, check this out : https://web.facebook.com/SpiritScienceOfficial/posts/2100715189968959 |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by terrezo2002(m): 1:46pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
9jawear:They all work, but none work better than Christianity |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by 9jawear(m): 1:46pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
The number decoy religions like christianity use is the admonition of signs and wonders Read this : http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/11/11/cia-document-confirms-reality-of-humans-with-special-abilities-able-to-do-impossible-things/ |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by 9jawear(m): 1:57pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
Everything in the Hebrew/Christian bible was taken from Ancient Pagan Texts that pre-dated it by thousands of years. This has been proven time and time again, and is becoming harder and harder to deny. Buy examining various Ancient Pagan Texts and comparing the epics and stories within with the bible, it can be clearly seen how the bible has simply copied these texts, only changing a few minor details such as the names of people or places. Of course, there is one question that is bound to arise. How can we be certain that christianity copied from the Pagans, and not the other way around? Well, first, the Pagan Texts predated the christian Texts by some good 1000 years. This rules out any possibility of the Pagan's having copied. One good example of this copying of Text is the story of "Noah's Ark". A very similar epic appeared some thousands of years before the bible in Ancient Sumeria. Only, in the Ancient Sumerian Epic, Enki (The God of Science and Engineering) appeared to Ziusudra and instructed him to build a boat that would be able to withstand a large wave of water, as some of the other Gods had been planning to let humanity suffer in the coming deluge. Enki also instructed Ziusudra to take onto the boat the "seeds of life", so that after the flood, life could be sustained on earth once again. This epic appeared thousands of years before "Noah's Ark" of the bible. There are tons of other examples. Everything in the bible, even down to the "star characters" has it's Pagan match and was stolen from Pagan Texts. - Monotheism was stolen from Egyptian Akhenaton - Creation was stolen from the Egyptian Creation - Yahweh's use of the word to create was stolen from the Egyptians (Jewish Yaweh replaces Ptah) - Let there be Light" was stolen from the Theban Creation epic. - The "firmament in the midst of the waters…" was stolen from the Egyptian Creation - Adam and Eve were stolen from the Egyptian Geb and Nut - Eve coming from Adam's rib was stolen from the Epic of Enki and Ninhursag: "My brother what hurts thee? "My rib hurts me" ANET, 41. Ninti who's name means "Lady of the Rib" cured Enki's rib - Adam and Eve's punishment and loss of immortality were stolen from the Mesopotamian story of Adapa (Jewish Yaweh replaces Sumerian Enki) - Cain, Abel and Seth were stolen from Osiris, Set and Horus - The conflict between Cain and Abel was stolen from Set and Osiris and as the story goes on, it is later based upon the Sumerian Dumuzi and Enkimdu - Samson was stolen from Heracles, - The putting out of his eyes is based on Oedipus - The pulling down of the pillars was stolen from the Egyptian tale about Re-Herakhte - Jacob and the Ladder was stolen from the Egyptian Funerary Rituals for the deceased King "Hail to thee, O Ladder of God, Hail to thee, O Ladder of Set. Stand up O Ladder of God, Stand up O Ladder of Set, stand up O Ladder of Horus, whereon Osiris went forth into heaven.” “The Egyptian Ladder consisting of the bodies of two Egyptian deities upon which Osiris ascends into heaven, has been replaced by a ladder with several supernatural beings, angels, climbing up and down between earth and heaven." - Moses was stolen from several Gods and kings, depending on what stage of his life story: Sargon (the birth and abandonment in the river, being rescued by royalty, etc) - The wanderings in the desert were based upon the Sun-God Bacchus as seen in the Hymns of Orpheus - The Hebrew stint of "40 years in the desert" claimed in the Jewish book of Exodus and the subsequent "40 day and 40 nights" wanderings in the desert of the Jewish Nazarene were stolen from: "The struggle of Set and Horus in the desert lasted forty days, as commemorated in the forty days of the Egyptian Lent, during which time Set, as the power of drought and sterility, made war on Horus in the water and the buried germinating grain....These forty days have been extended into forty years, and confessedly so by the Jews." - Joshua was stolen from the Egyptian Deities Shu and Nun. - Deborah was stolen from the Egyptian Goddess Neith - Noah was stolen from Sumerian Ziusudra The fictitious Jewish God Yaweh in the Noah story replaced the Sumerian God Enlil, aka Beelzebub - Noah's son Jewish Ham was stolen from Belus - Nimrod was stolen from the Egyptian Pharaoh Sesostris - Abraham was stolen from King Hariscandra of the Hindu Sankhayana-Sutras - Isaac was stolen from King Hariscandra's son Rohita The fictitious Jewish God Yaweh in this story replaced the Hindu God Varuna - Daniel was stolen from Egyptian Neferti - Jonah and the whale; Jonah was stolen from the Hindu character "Saktideva" found in the Somadeva Bhatta. - The "Twelve Tribes of Israel" like the Twelve Disciples of Christ are based upon the twelve signs of the Zodiac. - Lot and his wife were stolen from the Greek Orpheus and Eurydice Jewish Yaweh replaces the Greek God Hades - Jacob and Jewish Esau were stolen from Horus and Set - Rebekah was stolen from The Egyptian Goddess Isis - Joseph with the eleven brothers was stolen from Egyptian Psammetichus - Joseph and Potipher's wife stolen from Egyptian Anubis and Bata - "The Ten Plagues" against Egypt were grossly exaggerated and altered and stolen from the Ipuwer Papyrus - The Ten commandments was stolen from The Code of Hammurabi Jewish Yaweh replaces the Sumerian Sun God Shamash aka Azazel - David killing Philistine Goliath were stolen from Thor throwing a hammer at Hrungnir and striking him in the forehead. - Job was stolen from Ugaritic Keret and Yaweh (YHW(V)H replaces the Canaanite God "El." - "Job," was stolen from a story written in the Ugaritic language (Cuneiform Script), composed circa 1400 BCE by "Ilimilku The Scribe." This epic involves "Keret" and the God "El." NOT Job and Jehova. Keret's family tragedies and illness are comparable with the story of Job. In the original tale, "Satan" never even entered into the picture. Here, Jewish Yehovah replaces El. 1 Like |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by skydancer: 2:15pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
happney65:Religion is not spirituality. You can't be happy without spiritual precepts. |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by Eno38151: 2:49pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
Dindondin: Nobody forced you to pay any price, you came here on your own volition.. find other people with perspectives concurrent to yours and spare the others cause we have no need for it. |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by missyQween(f): 4:59pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
Assalamu Alaiequm brother... All you have to do is read your Qur'an daily and if possible read the translation, Spend more time on your solat,Pray to Allah,Imagine yourself been on the day of judgement where you are been questioned, And,Try to leave any topic that talk about atheism or mock Islam for now until you get your immaan back The biggest mockery of Islam is not when non-Muslims insult us but when we the Muslim don't practice the religion..In shaa Allah, I pray Allah will have mercy on you.Aameen "Islam wa huwa salam...Islam is peace!!! And remember" Verily, With every difficulty come ease" |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by Nobody: 5:01pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
fk001: Already replied ur mail... |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by Pataricatering(f): 5:03pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
Eno38151:go and post in nasfat magazine! This is not an Islamic blog . You are posting on a platform owned by a Christian or atheist, if you want only Muslims go and post on a Muslim owned forum ! |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by Pataricatering(f): 5:12pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
Your common sense is speaking to you ! Listen |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by murtaj(m): 6:06pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
9jawear: Yes...... practical example before you go to bed at night make sure your bedsheets is neatly pack and have a clear and neat bath after that go to bed. In the morning you will notice some small particle on bedsheets |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by 3kay945(m): 7:03pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
fk001: I didn't get the part where you said You neither drink nor smoke but You now do clubbing! |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by iamgenius(m): 7:55pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
murtaj:If you are a Muslim, you mustn't believe in that myth. |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by Analee(f): 8:19pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
iamgenius:my broda tank God u r comin to u rite sense,go to OPM doctor Jesus city@aluu ph,n giv u life to christ,der u wil also c oda muslims who av denounced n av nw embraced christ. |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by fk001(m): 8:54pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
3kay945: I didn't get you please |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by Dindondin(m): 9:30pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
Eno38151:I refuse to respect your wish. I m here to give fanatics doses of their melecine, the acts they do on Christian sections for example. So... Next time you tell me to leave, tell that to your brethren that forces opinion, religion, marriage of minors of other religious etc on people. Mr Eno38151, talk better next time. |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by Dindondin(m): 9:34pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
9jawear:speechless |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by hanymasahun: 10:23pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
1. Stop listing to music. 2. Try to read to read 2 JISBU in a day. 3. Listening to quran always |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by iamgenius(m): 10:53pm On Sep 22, 2017 |
Analee:OK thank you, But I want words from Jesus himself to tell me that I must be a Christian. And he must also tell me that he's also a Christian coz I really love Jesus whenever I hear his name. But the problem is people failed to tell me where Jesus says he's a Christian. |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by 2016easy2017: 2:41pm On Sep 23, 2017 |
read the translated Quran frequently |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by Olumaeme: 4:17pm On Sep 23, 2017 |
iamgenius: I love you for something, u displayed your ignorance in the most intelligent possible way... Lol You said I was lying but you couldn't point out how and where I lied with specific examples.... Congratulations! |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by iamgenius(m): 4:20pm On Sep 23, 2017 |
Olumaeme: How do I explain how ignorant you are. Sorry, I can't explain more than that. |
Re: I think i am losing my faith to Atheism, i need guidance urgently. by fk001(m): 2:09pm On Sep 24, 2017 |
CC dinak1 I am impressed by what said in my other thread, your opinion is always welcome however what you said about some educated northerners are seen as demi gods is untrue, we know is our duty to enlighten our illiterate brothers but we can't do it without their parents consent, and the problem is their parents hardly believe in western education, they so much believe in almajiri system of education to the extend they took it like heritage. Sorry i couldn't make comments in that thread because i was banned. |
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