butterflyl1on:

The purpose of this thread is to get the atheist OPINION and not DEFINITION of what or who man is.

If that was your intention, the OP would be what is Man?

Rather, you jumped ahead of that discussion and asked, "Is Man an Animal?". Hope you can see the thread's derailment was no fault of mine.. If you want an honest discussion, you should format your questions properly.

Your trolling disappoints me. Tbh.

sonofluc1fer:

If that was your intention, the OP would be what is Man?

Rather, you jumped ahead of that discussion and asked, "Is Man an Animal?". Hope you can see the thread's derailment was no fault of mine.. If you want an honest discussion, you should format your questions properly.

Your trolling disappointed me. Tbh.

Sigh!

I once discussed with an atheist here and he holds what he calls a popular scientific position that man is an animal. So my thread is to sample other opinions. So when I said what you just stated it was in reference to that particular comment of that atheist since he said it is a popular scientific position.

So stop reading wrong signals from my OP.

As an atheist Do you share this view that man is an animal? If no, then what is man to you and why do you hold this opinion?

butterflyl1on:


Sigh!

I once discussed with an atheist here and he holds what he calls a popular scientific position that man is an animal. So my thread is to to sample other opinions.

Any links?

sonofluc1fer:

Any links?

He can speak for himself. His moniker is AgentOfAllah

butterflyl1on:


He can speak for himself. His moniker is AgentOfAllah

Don't go so defensive.. Relax. I just wanted to know the context in which he made the statement.

Man is akudaya.
Neither of the above.

sonofluc1fer:

Don't go so defensive.. Relax. I just wanted to know the context in which he made the statement.

He is viewing. So I believe he can shed more light. If he cannot then let me see if I can pull up the comment

@all theist.
Pls óò, is goat a plant? If yes, state your reason. If no, comment as well

butterflyl1on:


He is viewing. So I believe he can shed more light. If he cannot then let me see if I can pull up the comment

You sound so humbled..Hope you're okay.

sonofluc1fer:

You sound so humbled..Hope you're okay.

Humbled? Person talk dem say e talk. Person no talk dem complain say e no talk. Na wa o

butterflyl1on:


Humbled? Person talk dem say e talk. Person no talk dem complain say e no talk. Na wa o

Anyway his comment

Humans are most assuredly animals...pretentious, but animals no less!

And

My comment

Who decides what animals are and what humans are?

You say we are animals so based on this notion you believe that acting like animals in the form of consensual fornication and adultery is perfectly alright. However, do animals give consent? If the barbaric nature of an animal is to take by force or cunning what is not his and still feel good about it how then do you talk about consent? As animals whom you say we are then it shouldn't matter to you if consent is given/gotten or not.

I say we are not animals. Anyway let me now derail

Finally his comment

I say we are animals, knowing fully well that not animals are the same. If you don't know this, and choose to lump all animals into Hillary's basket of deplorables, that's your fault!
My advocacy is that we should embrace our true nature. We judiciously violate the very rules we pretend to uphold anyway, so we'd do ourselves plenty of good by dropping the pretense all together.

Now You See it, do you agree?

What is man to you?

butterflyl1on:
Anyway his comment




And

My comment



Finally his comment


Now You See it, do you agree?

What is man to you?

I agree with his comments. Man is an animal. A special kind, but an animal nonetheless.

sonofluc1fer:

I agree with his comments. Man is an animal. A special kind, but an animal nonetheless.

And your reasons?

adepeter2027:
@all theist.

Pls óò, is goat a plant? If yes, state your reason. If no, comment as well

I'm sure dalaman will have an answer for this

If any atheist poo without cleaning his ass, they come on nairaland and start saying "Atheist is it right to clean the ass or not after pooing?"

Or saying there are too types of atheists. Those that clean their ass, and those that doesn't

To every reasonable question that has no answer on google, its trap for Atheist - goodmuyis 2017

This is what science says....man are animal...we inherit this body from our earlier primate and that is more than many thousands of year...I have a question here?
Why is our flesh not the same....the fish flesh is different from snake and while snake flesh is also different from sheep....?...

Creationist.... Human are not animal...we are difference.... We are smarter and have morals.. my question how smart is human to determine that he is more smarter than apes? There was a scientific report that proof chimpanzee has a good memory capacity

Any one to solve the puzzle?.... But before that ....sport the difference

Firstly, let me clarify that I hold no opinion as to what man is. I'm a person of science first and foremost, so I strictly hold all opinions irrelevant on matters already settled by science. As such I feel no inclination to bicker over the biological nature of man. I'm just here to complete what was started in my name, just so everyone can have a clearer picture of the exchange

butterflyl1on:
Anyway his comment

Mr butterfly didn't give the full trail of our correspondence, so I've included them below, along with links:
After my last response, he alleged I misunderstood his comment:

butterflyl1on:

Read my comment again

If the barbaric nature of an animal is to take by force or cunning what is not his and still feel good about it how then do you talk about consent? As animals whom you say we are then it shouldn't matter to you if consent is given/gotten or not

AgentOfAllah:

You read my response again...not all animals are the same! So which kind of animal are you referring to in your hypothetical? I am a human animal, and human animals have a strong sense of empathy; thus rape is a no no in my philosophy.

butterflyl1on:


You said

Speaking of animal consent, what do you think many animals do when they start their elaborate courtship rituals? Rape?

You said many an not all animals. So those who do not offer Consent are raped. We cannot be human and animals at the same time so saying we are human animals doesn't work .

If the animals who rape others are Okay after doing it why then is consent so important to you as an animal as well? Should it really matter?

AgentOfAllah:


A dog is a dog and an animal at the same time, a bonobo is a bonobo and an animal at the same time, a fish is a fish and an animal at the same time, but a dog does not behave like a fish and a bonobo certainly doesn't behave like a dog. You can dispute this all you want, if it makes you feel good, but biology says we are human animals, and human animals we are!

butterflyl1on:


Well God says I am not an animal but a special breed of creation who can only act and think like an animal when I forsake my maker.

AgentOfAllah:

God should open its biology textbooks.

butterflyl1on:


Everything does not begin and end with biology

End

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So if you're willing to defecate all over science with shitty opinions you're entitled to, but it is clear from our exchange that my claim was predicated on science all along.

AgentOfAllah:
Firstly, let me clarify that I hold no opinion as to what man is. I'm a person of science first and foremost, so I strictly hold all opinions irrelevant on matters already settled by science. As such I feel no inclination to bicker over the biological nature of man. I'm just here to complete what was started in my name, just so everyone can have a clearer picture of the exchange


Mr butterfly didn't give the full trail of our correspondence, so I've included them below, along with links:
After my last response, he alleged I misunderstood his comment:














End

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So if you're willing to defecate all over science with shitty opinions you're entitled to, but it is clear from our exchange that my claim was predicated on science all along.

I should have known better. Fella's quite sly.

Biology men, biology.

I have always noticed that most discussions here on the religious board lack definition, that is the sole reason why discussions don't always tally. You will arguing based on one definition, the other will be replying based on another which makes neither party to understand each other.

So to avoid that totally avoidable and frustrating scenario i will go ahead and add a definition.

an·i·mal
ˈanəməl/Submit
noun
1.
a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli.

scientific definition Animal.

The definition of an animal is a member of the kingdom Animalia, and is typically characterized by a multicellular body, specialized sense organs, voluntary movement, responses to factors in the environment and the ability to acquire and digest food..

there, that is the definition of Animal, and please i beg someone to show me how man falls outside the scope of these definitions then i will say man is not an Animal if not then, your guess is as good as mine.

or maybe provide me with your own definition of Animal if you don't agree.

AgentOfAllah:
Firstly, let me clarify that I hold no opinion as to what man is. I'm a person of science first and foremost, so I strictly hold all opinions irrelevant on matters already settled by science. As such I feel no inclination to bicker over the biological nature of man. I'm just here to complete what was started in my name, just so everyone can have a clearer picture of the exchange


Mr butterfly didn't give the full trail of our correspondence, so I've included them below, along with links:
After my last response, he alleged I misunderstood his comment:














End

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So if you're willing to defecate all over science with shitty opinions you're entitled to, but it is clear from our exchange that my claim was predicated on science all along.

Did I say your claim was said outside science?

This was my comment to sonfolucifer

butterflyl1on:


Sigh!

I once discussed with an atheist here and he holds what he calls a popular scientific position that man is an animal. So my thread is to to sample other opinions

Does that in any way contradict your comment?

I am not here to debate science but to seek opinions so if you wish to be rude and call my or anyone's opinions shitty then kindly stop at this point and get the hell out from this thread.

Quoting your comment was simply to show sonofLuc1fer what he asked for and not as an invite to you since you already feel your opinion is paramount and others outside yours MUST be shitty.

If all opinions are irrelevant to you must you then be rude while passing this message across?

Please leave if you cannot understand that respect is reciprocal and you have absolutely no right to ridicule anyone who does not agree with what you think is all there is.

johnydon22:
Biology men, biology.

I have always noticed that most discussions here on the religious board lack definition, that is the sole reason why discussions don't always tally. You will arguing based on one definition, the other will be replying based on another which makes neither party to understand each other.

So to avoid that totally avoidable and frustrating scenario i will go ahead and add a definition.

an·i·mal
ˈanəməl/Submit
noun
1.
a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli.

scientific definition Animal.

The definition of an animal is a member of the kingdom Animalia, and is typically characterized by a multicellular body, specialized sense organs, voluntary movement, responses to factors in the environment and the ability to acquire and digest food..

there, that is the definition of Animal, and please i beg someone to show me how man falls outside the scope of these definitions then i will say man is not an Animal if not then, your guess is as good as mine.

or maybe provide me with your own definition of Animal if you don't agree.

Your desire to put the thread on a leash is not what my OP is about. Define all you want to your own purpose but this here is a thread for opinions and not definitions.

Anyone can expand on whatever they know and arrive at a different conclusion from yours. Afterall right here on Nairaland I have read from atheists who believe man is not an animal but a god to himself or even energy so how does your definition help them?

Give your opinion and leave it at that. Trying to force this to go the way you want it is not my idea. Thanks

Cc ifenes can i get your own view?
billyonaire can I also get your own view?
Loj can I get your view?

butterflyl1on:


Your desire to put the thread on a leash is not what my OP is about. Define all you want to your own purpose but this here is a thread for opinions and not definitions.

Anyone can expand on whatever they know and arrive at a different conclusion from yours. Afterall right here on Nairaland I have read from atheists who believe man is not an animal but a god to himself or even energy so how does your definition help them?

Give your opinion and leave it at that. Trying to force this to go the way you want it is not my idea. Thanks

Cc ifenes can i get your own view?
billyonaire can I also get your own view?
Loj can I get your view?

johnydon22:
Biology men, biology.

I have always noticed that most discussions here on the religious board lack definition, that is the sole reason why discussions don't always tally. You will arguing based on one definition, the other will be replying based on another which makes neither party to understand each other.

So to avoid that totally avoidable and frustrating scenario i will go ahead and add a definition.

an·i·mal
ˈanəməl/Submit
noun
1.
a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli.

scientific definition Animal.

The definition of an animal is a member of the kingdom Animalia, and is typically characterized by a multicellular body, specialized sense organs, voluntary movement, responses to factors in the environment and the ability to acquire and digest food..

there, that is the definition of Animal, and please i beg someone to show me how man falls outside the scope of these definitions then i will say man is not an Animal if not then, your guess is as good as mine.

or maybe provide me with your own definition of Animal if you don't agree.

My post was so simple.

Does man fall within those definition or not?

that is all.

johnydon22:




My post was so simple.

Does man fall within those definition or not?

that is all.

Why do people find it hard to comprehend the simplest of things?

This is not a question and answer session please. Simply drop your opinion and the reason or reasons for such that's all.

I am sure you saw CENSUS in the OP.

butterflyl1on:


Why do people find it hard to comprehend the simplest of things?

This is not a question and answer session please. Simply drop your opinion and the reason or reasons for such that's all.

where there is an objective definition, opinion becomes irrelevant.

a shoe is not a computer because you have the opinion that is it, for it to be a computer it must fall within the definitions of a computer.

So a definition has been given, there is no more need for opinions.

johnydon22:
Biology men, biology.

I have always noticed that most discussions here on the religious board lack definition, that is the sole reason why discussions don't always tally. You will arguing based on one definition, the other will be replying based on another which makes neither party to understand each other.

So to avoid that totally avoidable and frustrating scenario i will go ahead and add a definition.

an·i·mal
ˈanəməl/Submit
noun
1.
a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli.

scientific definition Animal.

The definition of an animal is a member of the kingdom Animalia, and is typically characterized by a multicellular body, specialized sense organs, voluntary movement, responses to factors in the environment and the ability to acquire and digest food..

there, that is the definition of Animal, and please i beg someone to show me how man falls outside the scope of these definitions then i will say man is not an Animal if not then, your guess is as good as mine.

or maybe provide me with your own definition of Animal if you don't agree.

johnydon22:


where there is an objective definition, opinion becomes irrelevant.

a shoe is not a computer because you have the opinion that is it, for it to be a computer it must fall within the definitions of a computer.

So a definition has been given, there is no more need for opinions.

I am sure you know what an opinion means

opinion
noun
a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

I repeat, your definition is not the purpose of this thread. Thank you for your contribution.

Like I have said many time, words have meanings. Like referring to one's self as a "person" has its own meaning. Accepting to be called a person in a legal system mean you have no natural right you would have if you referred to yourself as a "Human Being" or "Man"

Words are powerful and they shape who we are. Do we just accept beliefs( academical and religious) because we are a graduate of schools( brainwash institutions) ? Now we even refer to ourselves as " animals" as this further confines us to the prison walls of survival rather than actually living.

This topic is huge and simple. This is a battle between free thoughts and academical programmed minds. One part sees themselves as animals due to affiliation of a certain type of education. Some other see themselves as more than animals. I personally will not refer to myself as an animal because some books said so. I am a Hu-Man-Being ( knowing being) not less in any shape or form. Animals are caged oppressed, thought for, reformed, tamed etc......I cannot be

ifenes:
Like I have said many time, words have meanings. Like referring to one's self as a "person" has its own meaning. Accepting to be called a person in a legal system mean you have no natural right you would have if you referred to yourself as a "Human Being" or "Man"

Words are powerful and they shape who we are. Do we just accept beliefs( academical and religious) because we are a graduate of schools( brainwash institutions) ? Now we even refer to ourselves as " animals" as this further confines us to the prison walls of survival rather than actually living.

This topic is huge and simple. This is a battle between free thoughts and academical programmed minds. One part sees themselves as animals due to affiliation of a certain type of education. Some other see themselves as more than animals. I personally will not refer to myself as an animal because some books said so. I am a Hu-Man-Being ( knowing being) not less in any shape or form. Animals are caged oppressed, thought for, reformed, tamed etc......I cannot be

Ifenes this comment by you is why I opened this thread and refused to define anything even when constantly harassed to do so.

Are we all simply definitions? Who has the right to define anyone?

Even if i was defined, do I not have the right to change the definition of myself? Do I not have the right to change me as the knowing being which I am?

Indeed calling myself anything derogatory such as an animal when I refuse to be subjected to such as A CHOICE can I not then change that view?

Ifenes what would you say about the consciousness of this hu-man? Is it within limits of this realm or does this realm hold no restriction?

ifenes:
Like I have said many time, words have meanings. Like referring to one's self as a "person" has its own meaning. Accepting to be called a person in a legal system mean you have no natural right you would have if you referred to yourself as a "Human Being" or "Man"

Words are powerful and they shape who we are. Do we just accept beliefs( academical and religious) because we are a graduate of schools( brainwash institutions) ? Now we even refer to ourselves as " animals" as this further confines us to the prison walls of survival rather than actually living.

This topic is huge and simple. This is a battle between free thoughts and academical programmed minds. One part sees themselves as animals due to affiliation of a certain type of education. Some other see themselves as more than animals. I personally will not refer to myself as an animal because some books said so. I am a Hu-Man-Being ( knowing being) not less in any shape or form. Animals are caged oppressed, thought for, reformed, tamed etc......I cannot be

Cc johnydon22

Biology 101

six kingdoms of living organisms


Plants, Animals, Protists, Fungi, Archaebacteria, Eubacteria. 


Man belong to the animal kingdom





Kingdom ____ animalia

Order____ Primates

phylum ___ chordata

Subphylum ___ vertebrates

Class ____ Mammalia

Genus ____ Homo

Specie ____ sapien


THE END.

Humanistme:
Biology 101

six kingdoms of living organisms


Plants, Animals, Protists, Fungi, Archaebacteria, Eubacteria. 


Man belong to the animal kingdom





Kingdom ____ animalia

Order____ Primates

phylum ___ chordata

Subphylum ___ vertebrates

Class ____ Mammalia

Genus ____ Homo

Specie ____ sapien


THE END.

Ifenes disagrees with you.