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Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by Nobody: 11:04am On Oct 16, 2017 |
ScienceWatch: Word ! 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 12:25pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
vaxx:I don't post what I haven't read! No one is saying water is not the molecules that it consists of. My point is that the constituent atoms is one single aspect of water. There's a lot more to water than its ingredients and studies on water continue to this day. vaxx:What? That stupid brain in a stupid head? I guess I must have been wrong all along. Now that you tell me how infallible my brain is, I have used mine to determine there are no gods. Thanks for enlightening me. vaxx:Now, isn't that what we say? I use the three elements as you suggest, but I bet the first thought on reading my no god comment in the minds of some is, this person's mind is not balanced, "the elements are wrong in this person", "this person needs a psychological checkup"! vaxx:So, let us believe there is a god and that it created the universe. It is not perceivable with the senses, but lets believe it anyway.......See where I'm going here? Are we believing it for the time being because of the limits of our so called "brain consciousness" or do we need a "psychological checkup"? vaxx: vaxx:My last post before the weekend was going to be this The Scientific Method: Beliefs vs. Verifiable Facts But I got busy. I post it now to put words to your diagram because I believe it says what your diagram says and shows if I understand your diagram. I wouldn't post it if I hadn't read it. Please note that the last two bullet points: • Communicate and publish results, undergo objective peer review (one hopes not endure subjective peer pressure to conform to accepted conventional wisdom!) • Retest (frequently done by other scientists) I told you, you should have checked if it was raining and not just accept my believing it is! |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 12:41pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
supersystemsnig:Thanks for this. One should avoid seeing what one wants to see and really look to see what actually is. The two are not the same thing. |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 12:46pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
AgentOfAllah:Hope you read this vaxx. Even hydrogen has been researched much further than "it is hydrogen, lets stop there". |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 12:50pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
vaxx:Is that like a fourth element? |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by vaxx: 12:54pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
budaatum:I realised you have given me than four mentions....you must be so interested in this discussion.... Well, do not mix the role my argument is pointing toward.. My argument says water chemical formula is h20, what are you know saying again...are you saying water has gotten more than that...am not getting the bone of your argument... 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 12:56pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
vaxx:Sorry, but not so much that "your subjective" is silly, it isn't, but to present your subjectivity as objective reality is silly. And objectivity is possible. Scientists have to be objective. That's why other scientists have to be able to repeat your experiments for validity. |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by vaxx: 1:01pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
budaatum:I realised you have mentioned me like four times. , I don't get the bone of your argument.... My argument says water chemical formula is H20, and you are changing the the wheel of of the discussion... Has Wikipedia prove the evidence to be wrong or have they make further research to reject the standard chemical formula....that is my argument....so what are you saying? |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by vaxx: 1:09pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
budaatum:take your time, I will answer you mention gradually.... Am somehow busy.. Am in a class precisely.... |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by budaatum: 1:21pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
vaxx:I promise. This is the last one on this thread. We could have told you the premise of your initial postulate was wrong. We didn't, because it was going somewhere even though your idea of contingency was flawed. It was pointed out to you that the question "who" was a leading question, but you wouldn't have it. To start with, if there is a creating thing, you are assuming it is human like, as that is what the word "who" implies. You are also narrowing the discussion between your narrow parameters, but we are willing to work with that as an hypothesis. But when you claim you subjectivity is objective, you show that you should have continued to learn. Substituting subjective opinion for objective reality is a flaw that many have and it can only be cured by recognising one is doing so and understanding how not to. From experience, I assure you it takes a lot of practise, and one will still find quite a lot of subjectivity in ones so valued objective view. But you don't even try! But that is the beauty of this wonderful thread you started. Least you discovered something about yourself. 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by vaxx: 1:53pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
budaatum:Mr man , what are you saying..?.we don't share the same mind, we We can only look at things subjectively and make conjectures that we use symbols the same way as other people do. That we agree it is a fact that this means that, or x=y. whatever the two equivalencies are. It’s a subjective agreement between humans that we don’t question, so we say it is objective. Objectivity is that which humans don’t question. Hope you grab the logic.. It is what we all take for granted. What we all assume everyone else means when they use a specific symbol, language or signal... Is there anything that we all assume is the same thing? Is there anything that no one has a question about? Do the symbols for numbers stand for exactly the same thing for everyone? To me as a person, it seems to me that to be objective, you would have to have some point of view that is outside of the subject (yes, subject) you are trying to perceive. Unfortunately for objectivity, we are all inside the universe. We can not know if we perceive things the same way anyone else does. There’s evidence to support the idea that most people use symbols the same way, but we can’t know if that’s always true, because it is always possible that someone else has a different subjective view of whatever subject we are trying to perceive. Objectivity is a convenience. A kind of settled subjectivity. We agree that it is settled, although we never know when someone will come along to upset the agreement...this is when science take its cross..... 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by Nobody: 2:15pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
budaatum: Thanks.Even the wisest folks on earth make this mistake...even me..evaluation and awareness helps us remember where we are and instils fresh focus 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by vaxx: 2:15pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
budaatum:am not getting you really, pls type with you mind and not your emotions... I perceive and sense emotional imbalance in your writing...what is going on? My evidence here are subjective verified, therefore I expect you to counterclaim it with evidence.... Which is the purpose of this discussion... No man owns the crown in knowledge... that is why I welcome postulation in my argument, you can deive, you can branch...do whatever.. Just make sure , at the end we are all saying the same thing...or probably yours make the most prefer sense. About the subjectivity, I have answer you...read below... About the who has a first question instead of how , I have given an evidence why it is logical...unless you bring counter evidence, .I will not welcome your postulation. The purpose of the base is to look into other veiws and see where , we are not getting it..hope this settle the matter.. |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by vaxx: 2:17pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
budaatum:pls try and get me before you argue. You can ask me to repeat myself. |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by ScienceWatch: 2:23pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
budaatum:We are well aware that scientists colluded to validate and fabricate to ensure their dominance over their gullible subjects. I only trust science for my material goods, like my tires and my engine. Never trust science with your food. Look at the horrors of GMO foods. |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by Nobody: 2:37pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
ScienceWatch: Perfect @ We are well aware that scientists colluded to validate and fabricate to ensure their dominance over their gullible subjects. LOL @ I only trust science for my material goods, like my tires and my engine. Never trust science with your food. Look at the horrors of GMO foods. A lot of people underestimate the threat GMO poses, we all should stand to fight it....It has more damaging consequences if left untamed...Damn, no time to explain explicitly the danger GMO poses. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by vaxx: 2:52pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
budaatum:if you are saying it isn't molecules ,then what are you saying...you keep getting me more confusing.... Why don't you follow the bone of argument which says the water chemical is h20...and no any proof beyond that ....have you gotten yours? Bro no one is accusing you wrongly here....when your sense, experience and perceiveness fails, then there is a challenged upstair.if your believe says there is no God. So be it. But if your subjectivity believe is compare to mine and they both weigh and yours happen to be more effective. As a stable mind, I have no options than to accept yours.if not am only lying to myself. In this part of the continent I lived, women put their wedding ring in the right hands why in Nigeria put theirs on their left ..so will you say it is wrong why yours is right? I beg you again never argued for objective review it is faulty.science is even aware.theories change everyday. I shall visit the links and add my view bro...make I go do something bro.later things. 1 Like |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by Nobody: 2:56pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
Lets be civil gentlemen, the curses is beginning to be a problem I like the water and atoms part, as a chemist, i'm open on any discussions on atoms, molecules and elements |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by vaxx: 2:58pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
budaatum:no other method of self truth seeking apart from subjective experience... Yours may be more reasonable, that those not make mine unsound. the purpose of philosophy is to seek for wisdom. When yours evidence of truth seeking outweighed mine, then mine became illogical. Try to understand the debate pls.. |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by Nobody: 2:59pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
vaxx: Vaxx, i kindly share some ideologies with you, so i want you to help me ask the atheists one question, if there's no God, then how can relativity be explained and its phenomenal significance across all life forms? Look at a bean when its in water and swollen, what does the " eye " look like? What's in the air, is in he sky, is in the earth, yet these folks see no need to address the origins of relativity to ponder about the uniformness in life forms...It beats my imagination if they're slackers or choose to close a blind eye |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by ScienceWatch: 3:10pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
supersystemsnig:Yes Sir I fully agree with the urgency in your statement. The birth of GMO was only made possible by the Satanic forces of Atheist scientists delusions that they are accidental beings, by-products of a BIG-BANG. That's why they rubbish the holy grail of genetics for personal gain and to achieve their greedy ambition of becoming a god for their Godless followers. You should assemble a "Master Mind" group to highlight the serious threat of Atheism and the resultant GMO products. Two names for your "Master Mind" Group springs to mind now, include Vaxx and Butterflyl1on. There are others but my memory fails. |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by Nobody: 3:25pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
ScienceWatch: The threat the world aces by GMO can only be appreciated by science-oriented people...I don't have much power to explain,let me try to break it down into lay man's terms what's happening if not for the anti-GMO fighters that are putting up a good battle in the UK. Now, lets say GMO gained significant acceptance round the world, the next phase of the project was o phase out ordinary seeds, this will be done by banning the sales pf ordinary seeds and only approving the sales of GMO seeds, now to maintain the sole propriety of each seed, the manufacturer introduces an organic strain into the seed, the work is to make sure the seed expires at a given date so continuous purchase can be done, and further engineers foods. Now the fear is this,for we antii-GMO fighter, the world needs variety to ensure human sustenance on earth, and by bringing all for example, maize seeds, under the umbrella of a company, creates the possibility of weaponizing the seeds and further threatening mankind.... Let's go further, if a company alone has the right to produce and sell maize seeds, and it has fights with say a fertilizer company, or another company seling another variant of the maize seed, or another seed altogether, what happens? Please guys, i'm a student of genetics and biotech, i trust science for my wrist watches and electronics, we need to fight the threat GMO foods poses to humanity...How do we fight in our little capacity, tell people what i explained here, and avoid buying foods made from GMO, and raw GMO foods like the ones sold in foreign supermarkets like shoprite, we sill have over 250 Million hectares of arable land on earth, we have vertical farming, the earth is covered with 70% water that can be used for cultivating as much fish food as possible...we can do upstair farming....we have lots of options to explore and don't need to engineer our foods...Say no to GMO foods I'll think about forming a team around this...I was gonna start a team to address food concerns before now...But evidently this has to be brought onboard, thanks for the recommendation, i'm keeping them close...gathering resources in the wilderness,once i'm set,launching out with m team 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by ScienceWatch: 3:38pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
supersystemsnig:It will be most productive for mighty men such as yourselves to not waste precious time fighting a losing battle. The only weapon Low-Level Atheists have left in debate is CONFUSION AND DISTRACTION. Focus , focus. 1) Flank your enemy on its right and attack its weakest point. 2) Get your enemy to attack itself. 3) Then attack its most precious possessions. 4) Occupy your enemies territory and force them to continue worshipping their NO-GOD till they see that their god is impotent. Atheists weakest point is that they have created an impotent God called NO-GOD. Everything that NO-GOD creates is destructive to mankind and planet earth. NO-GOD has proven to them that they are superior accidental beings and all created beings must be exterminated. |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by Nobody: 3:40pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
ScienceWatch: You're cracking me up... Thanks for the note.....Argh nope, i don't consider myself mighty, just the skinny guy that walks by everyday without gaining attention...I'm audaciously loud online, but offline, i'm pretty quiet and petty... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by ScienceWatch: 3:59pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
supersystemsnig:I knew you would be the right person to champion this worthy cause. It is shocking to the senses that scientists even dared to tamper with the genetics of foods. Finally they revealed their real Satanic motives for doing that, which is to eradicate all natural seeds and be the sole supplier of their poisonous cancer forming GMO seeds by locking down their seeds ability to sprout after their pre-determined expiry date. Here we witness one of the secrets reasons for scientists exhaustive efforts to destroy Islam and Christianity. They would never allow the rubbishing of the natural created order. |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by ScienceWatch: 4:01pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
supersystemsnig:You are proving that the pen is MIGHTIER than the sword ! Never underestimate a quite guy. I am a horse and sword type crusader for justice. to protect the weak from bullies. |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by Nobody: 4:06pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
ScienceWatch: Seems like the current word now abhors order...They call per-existing landmarks obsolete, old-school and archaic..Needless to draw up the importance of ancient landmarks, lots of people don't know we seat on the edge and this world is constantly been bombarded by these lios that wants to rip it apart, from GMO, to nuclear war heads, to the next battle which is currently gaining momentum, hackers trying to hack into nuclear holding facilities, the world is on its knees and begging for its salvation... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by Nobody: 4:12pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
ScienceWatch: Lol @ this illustration... I paid a lot of sacrifices to get knowledge, the pursuit/hustle for money..I hope a time comes to dispense and help this world, cause at the current pace of things, i fear, new ways of doing things is threatening traditional systems that are harmless and had no consequences, I'll shut my up, but if dive into sex and begin to explain the possibilities of a new viral break down that's tied to sexual practices of the new age, i would be accused of subjective speculations...May God help us 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by ScienceWatch: 4:39pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
supersystemsnig:Wow, that was deep Sir. Yes the world is being ripped apart, even drastic and shocking climate changes are experiences now. Pseudo Scientists are hell-bent on manipulating global populations for personal gain. With your knowledge you should write PDF books that can fill the gaps of ignorance and market it online. It is quick, cheap and you will earn a life time passive income if you simply automate the sales and payments for your books. Let me know when you ready to launch you first book, I can help if you get stuck. |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by ScienceWatch: 4:40pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
supersystemsnig:Wow, that was deep Sir. Yes the world is being ripped apart, even drastic and shocking climate changes are experiences now. Pseudo Scientists are hell-bent on manipulating global populations for personal gain. With your knowledge you should write PDF books that can fill the gaps of ignorance and market it online. It is quick and cheap and you will earn a life time passive income if you simply automate the sales and payments for your books. Let me know when you ready to launch you first book, I can help if you get stuck. |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by Nobody: 4:42pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
ScienceWatch: Wow...True...I have over 20 books in my mind, i've been stacking up... Will sure appreciate bringing them to life...Can we make it a next year's project ? |
Re: Why Is There Something Rather than Nothing.... Let's Talk Philosophical by ScienceWatch: 4:45pm On Oct 16, 2017 |
supersystemsnig:Your hope to help the world is already in your pen. Write a book from your experiences that can provide an answer to your chosen niche markets needs. I know the well deserved millions in dollars will flow like a mighty river to you. |
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