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Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Aminu212: 10:12am On Nov 08, 2017 |
Am afraid of surah nisah 24 Surah An-Nisa, Verse 24: وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ إِلَّا مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ كِتَابَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأُحِلَّ لَكُم مَّا وَرَاءَ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَن تَبْتَغُوا بِأَمْوَالِكُم مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَافِحِينَ فَمَا اسْتَمْتَعْتُم بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً وَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَاضَيْتُم بِهِ مِن بَعْدِ الْفَرِيضَةِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيمًا حَكِيمًا And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise. (English - Shakir) Explanation needed please |
Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by lanrexlan(m): 12:25am On Nov 09, 2017 |
sino:Castration is indeed an extreme case but it begs the question akhee, for how long was these sahabahs away from their wives that they were thinking about castrating themselves? Truth be told, one loves intimacy a lot, I think a or 2 weeks expedition shouldn't make any man think of castrating himself. Castration has NO cure faah. Secondly, if mut'ah is for necessity like eating swine and alcohol, these two things are still necessities when the need arises but mut'ah isn't anymore? sino:Yes, no sunni argues this. sino:Scared ke? Do you know the meaning of my name, Zubayr? It means courageous. "Lako mo wa ni ibon" sino:This is a wild guess unless you can provide evidences for it. There is no record of mut'ah during pre Islamic period that I know of. sino:His ghost sino:Maybe and maybe not. sino:Reality and books can be in contradictions many times. Suicide bombers and the Qu'ran are in contradictions, what people see is not what is stated in the Qur'an. Same can be said with polygamy to some extent. sino:In all narrations, the Nabi NEVER made mut'ah a form of profession, because people have turned it into a profession doesn't make it right. sino:Wallah, very disturbing but yet it is not a yardstick to judge the prescription in the books. The above has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the deen of Islam. You don't turn a necessity to a business making venture. sino:The Qur'an even exposed their perversion when they broke the law of 'no sex' during the nights of Ramadan. But their perversion is outta this world ooo So mut'ah is only for Arabs?! sino:See logic! This analysis of yours made sense, and I have no reply. sino:Ameen, most welcome. |
Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by lanrexlan(m): 12:25am On Nov 09, 2017 |
Empiree: Stop joor, disaya is used for physical attributes (a woman's chest) and not the same with desire. Or am I missing something?? |
Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by lanrexlan(m): 12:25am On Nov 09, 2017 |
AlBaqir:Wallah, I really get the aspect you are driving from, our souls aren't at the same level and same is our urges and control over lower desires. You are most welcome dear akhee. Allahumo ameen. I pray the same for you too Wa alaykum Salaam Warahmatulah Wabarokatuh |
Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by lanrexlan(m): 12:26am On Nov 09, 2017 |
sino:Akhee, leave matter for matthias jare. No sister would prefer six packs to a 6 digits monthly salary or six cars except she is the daughter of a body builder. So lemme hit the books and hit the ideas that would be bring money 2 Likes |
Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 12:32am On Nov 09, 2017 |
lanrexlan:dont let ssisiee and all other alhajas see you typed this I guess someone else can clarify. Me no know other meaning o |
Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 12:34am On Nov 09, 2017 |
Aminu212:Thats whats being unravelled since the beginning of this thread. You gonna have to read from page 0 |
Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 12:38am On Nov 09, 2017 |
lanrexlan:Thats right. I have posted it earlier. Nana Aisha(ra) narrated the four(4) types of marriages 'pre-islam'. Mut'ah was not mentioned |
Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 12:44am On Nov 09, 2017 |
sino:Myself would have disagreed with him. Mut'ah is definitely not. If you watched the video i posted earlier, the Sheikh provided solution to widows and divorced women. |
Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by AlBaqir(m): 4:26am On Nov 09, 2017 |
sino: lanrexlan: Empiree: For the record, here's my statement once again: AlBaqir: # I like the moral submission you guys are trying to present here. Unfortunately, @bold on sino's comment, that was your thinking and fears. Believe it or not, I know of these two cases below: 1. My Uncle, a Sunni Man. He lost his wife about 15 years back. He has 4 children. He's a driver with no regular income yet by fire by thunder he is supporting his children. By His Creator, he can NEVER manage another wife. Astaghfirullah, series of Zina was going on until he found an independent woman of exactly similar case like his. The woman has 5 children to take care of. Both are independent on their own. They keep on seeing each other but are not married to each other in the definition of marriage, and both have been together for ages now. 2. A Shia man. His case was like that of Sahabi Zayd and Zaynab bint Jahsh. His wife being from a well to do family does not submit and the man's income is nothing to write home about. Their home is more or less hell. They have 4 kids. It got to a stage the husband was being starved sexually for years. Family members, friends and scholars intervened at several intervals. Nothing changed. No financial muscle to support a second wife. At the end, this man met an independent widow with 3 kids. The woman needs nothing financially, and also not a husband with set of responsibilities and obligations. Both go into Mut'ah. I have known them for more than 10 years now. * Its easy for a widow with no kids to find a suitable husband and start afresh. # The reality is, look through your environment, family members and other societies, those two cases or similar cases and conditions are very much alive but we keep quiet and judging them from a far. In those two examples I cited above, the difference is one officially did Mut'ah, and one did not, but both look very much alike. # Lastly, there's a 3 months + waiting period for woman in Mut'ah. So, its not the exaggerated "changing clothe" situation. |
Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 4:56am On Nov 09, 2017 |
^ na wa o |
Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 1:52am On Nov 11, 2017 |
Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by sino(m): 12:08pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
lanrexlan:I do not know how long the duration was before they asked for castration, and yes, castration is indeed and extreme action to take. Again, like the popular parlance, "konji na bastard" Why mut'ah is different is due to the statement of the Prophet (SAW) prohibiting it forever, there was no clause, it was necessity that brought about it in the first instance, therefore, prohibition becomes absolute! As already presented, Alcohol or swine are to save lives, and in our present society, I doubt you would ever need to take such.... lanrexlan:Indeed. lanrexlan:Interesting, okunrin meta ati abo lanrexlan:I came across it in a particular article but no reference to the source of the information. lanrexlan:You can say that again lanrexlan:Well, it is only the twelvers that still believe mut'ah is permissible, even other shi'ah sects say it is prohibited! lanrexlan:Which should mean there is a problem somewhere. The Qur'an teaches that when in such quagmire, return to the Qur'an and the Prophet (SAW), so the Qur'an didn't give us such permission for mut'ah, it shouldn't be implied, and we have on authentic record that the Prophet (SAW) prohibited it! What then do we seek?! lanrexlan:Yes I agree, so also being a solution to widows and divorcees, it wasn't stated as such too! lanrexlan: But that is what is obtainable and publicly practiced amongst the twelver shi'as lanrexlan: But at least, they were having sex with their wives, and the Qur'an explicitly permitted us (married) to continue because we are meant to be safe haven for each other. Those with the Prophet (SAW) at the time of permission were most likely to all be Arabs, the reason I brought up their perversion. lanrexlan:Okay lanrexlan:Ma sha Allah! |
Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by sino(m): 12:14pm On Nov 14, 2017 |
Empiree: I see bro, I haven't watched the video o, I do have a hard time watching videos online sometimes, especially when I am at work. In sha Allah, I'll find the time to watch some of the videos you have presented here. 1 Like |
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