Additional point, nani attacks d box well, he doesnt just sit on d flank, thereby scoring more goals
I believe we've gotten the closure we need

Hardunnii:

Additional point, nani attacks d box well, he doesnt just sit on d flank, thereby scoring more goals
I believe we've gotten the closure we need

nani is a wing/forward. . . he is allowed to do all that.

a defensive midfielder cannot do such without getting the wrath of his manager.
compare michael carrick that first joined man utd with the michael carrick of today.

when was the last time carrick scored a goal or provided an assist? i can't remember.
this is because his role has changed. he is the shield in front of that defence. if he vacates his position, united's defence is in trouble.

in all the league games carrick has started this season, united have only conceded 1 goal(the dubious penalty against newcastle).

I hear you, anyway lovely assist from song today, dont you think and wait a minute, d team kept a clean sheet

Hardunnii:

I hear you, anyway lovely assist from song today, dont you think and wait a minute, d team kept a clean sheet

very lovely assist. . .
but ask yourself why arsenal have not won a dime in 7 seasons.

coogar:

very lovely assist. . .
but ask yourself why arsenal have not won a dime in 7 seasons.

Am ßure they would have won d champions league, had mikel been an arsenal player

Na by foot, no be by all these grammar abeg!!

20 games played already this season, no goal, no assist- just yellow cards in his statistics.

The Evans, Smallings, Lass, Marcelos are making assist and scoring goals!!!

Anyway someone don talk say na by Money dem dey take know good players!!!

baslone:

Na by foot, no be by all these grammar abeg!!

20 games played already this season, no goal, no assist- just yellow cards in his statistics.

The Evans, Smallings, Lass, Marcelos are making assist and scoring goals!!!

Anyway someone don talk say na by Money dem dey take know good players!!!

Coogar will tell u tackles n yellow cärds r only is job, oth€rs r nt required

these two players will be judged at the end of their carriers with what they were able to raise in the name of trophies and individual glories.
another set of ppl on this nairaland compared denilson of arsenal and mikel but today, if denilson is a bus conductor in his country, no one can tell.
in epl, mikel has won the best passer of the ball and we know the fa saw song and made mikel won. nigerians are too dull to judge as our sense of jdugements can only be seen in our polity and football.
on tv and radios, u will see nigerians talk and discuss football with all their strenghts yet our local league is just on papers and our national outings are on the downward sides.
from the way most of discuss football here, we look set to know soccer more than the english fa.
song in playing in a club that is yet to win beer cover in the last 7 years and if we want to be truthful to our selves, we will agree that competition is higher inchelsea than arsenal.
how come wenger is interested in mikel and chelsea is not interested in song.
if song is the player nigerians call him, let him go to clubs with ambitions like man city, chelsea, man u, madrid and barca to mention but a few.
uefa awards to defenders are not based on how many goals scored or assists rather how man cleans sheets and goals conceeded

baslone:

Na by foot, no be by all these grammar abeg!!

20 games played already this season, no goal, no assist- just yellow cards in his statistics.

The Evans, Smallings, Lass, Marcelos are making assist and scoring goals!!!

Anyway someone don talk say na by Money dem dey take know good players!!!

makelele scored only 2 league goals in 5 seasons at chelsea.
he's the best defensive midfielder in the last 12 years in europe!

@ topic: Song. It's a non argument really.
A DM's role is much more than just cutting out attacks and protecting the back four.
Football has changed. . . Full backs are supposed to provide width; strikers have to drop deep and also create; GK's are supposed to be good ball distributors, etc.
Football has changed, so has the role of the DM. DM's are supposed to help the team out in attack. Busquets for instance, had the most passes completed in the final third in Euro 2012 qualifying.
In the absence of a natural trequartista, a DM can playmake from deep. Xabi Alonso does this often.
DM's just being play breakers is old school.
That being said, how good is Mikel at breaking up play and protecting his four? Not very good, IMO.

medjai:

@ topic: Song. It's a non argument really.
A DM's role is much more than just cutting out attacks and protecting the back four.
Football has changed. . . Full backs are supposed to provide width; strikers have to drop deep and also create; GK's are supposed to be good ball distributors, etc.
Football has changed, so has the role of the DM. DM's are supposed to help the team out in attack. Busquets for instance, had the most passes completed in the final third in Euro 2012 qualifying.
In the absence of a natural trequartista, a DM can playmake from deep. Xabi Alonso does this often.
DM's just being play breakers is old school.
That being said, how good is Mikel at breaking up play and protecting his four? Not very good, IMO.

stop talking nonsense. . . . .so how many goals has busquets scored for barcelona since he joined?
go and find out that and do the ratio to the number of goals barcelona have scored in the same period.

defensive midfielders don't roam. when they do - they are no longer a natural defensive midfielder but a central midfielder!

coogar:

stop talking nonsense. . . . .so how many goals has busquets scored for barcelona since he joined?
go and find out that and do the ratio to the number of goals barcelona have scored in the same period.

defensive midfielders don't roam. when they do - they are no longer a natural defensive midfielder
a central midfielder!

Who's talking about goals? Does helping out in attack always have to mean goals or assits? Busquets completed the most passes in the final third in Euro 2012. . . I can't count the number of times I've seen Busquets lead a Barca attack.
If DM's are supposed to only sit back and protect their back four(of course, part of the job) then why do we have specialist DM's? I mean, the role looks to easy, you might as well just stick a centre back there. The role's more complex than that.
I can't count the number of times I've seen Mikel robbed of the ball and he's just to slow to track back and recover the ball. . . That was exactly what happened in the friendly vs Argentina when Messi stole the ball from him and Argentina went on to score.
Even at the basic job of a DM, Mikel is trash.

medjai:

Who's talking about goals? Does helping out in attack always have to mean goals or assits? Busquets completed the most passes in the final third in Euro 2012. . . I can't count the number of times I've seen Busquets lead a Barca attack.

that is euro 2012. we are talking about club-level.
mikel does not play as a defensive midfielder for the super eagles!

If DM's are supposed to only sit back and protect their back four(of course, part of the job) then why do we have specialist DM's? I mean, the role looks to easy, you might as well just stick a centre back there. The role's more complex than that.

how can you stick a centre-back there? if wingers are just there to make crosses, why don't we stick full-backs there?
that's the way you sound. the role is complex but not that complex. it's all about intelligence. . . .doing the right things. making the right passes.
touching the ball more than your team-mates.

I can't count the number of times I've seen Mikel robbed of the ball and he's just to slow to track back and recover the ball. . . That was exactly what happened in the friendly vs Argentina when Messi stole the ball from him and Argentina went on to score.
Even at the basic job of a DM, Mikel is trash.

who can't be robbed off the ball? what exactly are you talking about?
go back and read comments from the previous pages. in case you have lost sight of the basis of mikel's criticisms, people are bashing him he ain't as good as alex song because he does not score, he does not assist goals and most of his passes are sideways and backwards.

that was why i brought out the goal stats of sergio busquets and claude makelele! the primary role of a defensive midfielder is to sit!
it's that simple!

@ topic: Song. It's a non argument really.
A DM's role is much more than just cutting out attacks and protecting the back four.
Football has changed. . . Full backs are supposed to provide width; strikers have to drop deep and also create; GK's are supposed to be good ball distributors, etc.
Football has changed, so has the role of the DM. DM's are supposed to help the team out in attack. Busquets for instance, had the most passes completed in the final third in Euro 2012 qualifying.
In the absence of a natural trequartista, a DM can playmake from deep. Xabi Alonso does this often.
DM's just being play breakers is old school.
That being said, how good is Mikel at breaking up play and protecting his four? Not very good, IMO.

@medjai,
u sound more informed than all the world class coaches that have used mikel in their line up. nigerians will never accept the fact that mikel is a great player yet, whenever he fails to honour a national call up, we will all be all over the place complaining. at the end of players' carriers, kanu, messi, mikel, ronaldo and song to mention but a few will decorate their houses and offices with what they achieved medal wise. if the end to their carriers come today, who has more? mikel or song? the reward for every labour is salary and labourers are paid according to their worth, whose accounts has more to show for it? adebayor, nasri, fabregas, henry and a host of other uncountable list of players have left arsenal either in the pretence of searching for medals or more money. what is song playing for? medals or money and which of them has he achieved? mikel is earning more money and has more medals so where on earth is the goodness of song?

@1025 u just keep disappointing me, anyway alan shearer one of the if not d most prolific striker to ever grace d english game, he only won a title with blackburn, so ur premise for argument is senseless

@coogar if you are to pick a draft for your team, be sincere, who will you pick btw mikel n song

I'l advice him to dump the two of them and go a player that has a fatter bank account.

1025 is bringing sexy senselessness back in style

@topic

Song defends better than Mikel, attacks better than Mikel, what is the basis for comparison? Oh i forgot, their salary!

ritchboy:

1025 is bringing sexy senselessness back in style
@topic
Song defends better than Mikel, attacks better than Mikel, what is the basis for comparison? Oh i forgot, their salary!

alex song does not defend better than mikel - that's farcical.
if you think running after players to snap at their heels is defending then you dunno your football.

Hardunnii:

@coogar if you are to pick a draft for your team, be sincere, who will you pick btw mikel n song

i will pick mikel. goddamit, i would also pick carrick, lucas and busquets over alex song.
all the players listed above are more positionally disciplined than alex song.

although, i once read that arsene wenger instructs alex song to vacate his position and join the attack.
in my opinion, that is carelessness and idiotic. you don't need to wonder why arsenal cannot win a pin.

@coogar n 1025 i can see mikel is doing a good defensive job on d bench. I hope hes picking few techniques frm young romeu

@coogar n 1025 i can see mikel is doing a good defensive job on d bench. I hope hes picking few techniques frm young romeu

@Hardunnii,
sometimes i like to look at ppl's environment before getting involved with them. u just survived a flood accident in ibadan and as such, u can reason well.
malouda, torres, kalou to mention just but a few are all oon the bench in chelsea, is ur flood influenced brains telling u they will seat on the bench in arsenal?
just today, fabregas just made it open that he has to double his hard work in barca to be in the line up as against an arsenal team where he is the captain.
romeu came from barca and u can agree with me that he was less popular over there so football is like that. will ur song make a first team in chelsea, man u, barca or madrid? chelsea and other big teams are monitoring song's situation and any day he is confirmed a quality player, he will be bought from the academy where posting profits is the interest of the coach.
lakuku, and other players in chelsea reserve team will all make arsenal first team.
if not for the flood in ur area, u for hear pep saying that arsenal players are good but non of them can make the barca first team.
the competition in arsenal is not the same in chelsea and other teams so go and study flood and its prevention because they will soon be around.
i am not happy that i will miss u in the next 4 months when the rains will be around.

@1025,
From your rants, Song isn't good enough to play for Chelsea, yet he single handedly killed your midfield a few weeks ago.RVP cannot make the chavs team, yet all your strikers,Torres,Drogba,Lukaku,Anelka,Porridge all combined haven't scored as many as he has this seeason. . . .
Your grand delusion with your Chav team makes me wonder. . .and your love affair with Mikel is mysterious.
Mikel is like 6th/7th choice at Chelski now, wonder the sense in letting players like Belletti,Ballack and that short Portugese/brazillian(what's his name again)go and letting Mikel stay.

@1025,
From your rants, Song isn't good enough to play for Chelsea, yet he single handedly killed your midfield a few weeks ago.RVP cannot make the chavs team, yet all your strikers,Torres,Drogba,Lukaku,Anelka,Porridge all combined haven't scored as many as he has this seeason. . . .
Your grand delusion with your Chav team makes me wonder. . .and your love affair with Mikel is mysterious. Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
Mikel is like 6th/7th choice at Chelski now, wonder the sense in letting players like Belletti,Ballack and that short Portugese/brazillian(what's his name again)go and letting Mikel stay.

@HNIC,
the last sentence should have been directed to the coaches that released all those players and keep mikel or as nigerians, we can say mikel bribed them. if mikel is 6th or 7th according to u, where was benayoun before arsenal came for him. does he sit on the bench in arsenal when he is fully fit? romeu from barcelona who is making a first team list in chelsea now was a nobody in barca so there is every possibility that mikel will captain an arsenal side.
the season is still fresh to judge players so far. no matter where mikel is positioned in chelsea, he is still a great player and as we speak, he is earning more money and has more medals.
if a player does not win medals and does not earn big salary, his goodness is in doubt.
van persie is delaying his contract talks because he does not trust the club. look at toure, nasri, hleb, reyes, adebayor, flamini and a long list of arsenal players who left at the top of their games but end up as bench warmers in other teams because of competition.
in arsenal, those who make first team list will be on the bench when they face competition.
let van persie move on to other top side and fight for a first team place and u will understand why arsenal is a feeder team.
if players like lampard, torres and malouda find themselves in arsenal, they will play first team football without training.

I think I need to google up "CHELSEA FC"

Cos now you are getting me confused!!!

@1025,
so RVP will warm the bench at chelsea and Mikel would captain at Arsenal
Abeg give me some of the stuff you are smoking. . . .must be really good

why didn't you add Ashley Cole to your list?
He left Arsenal and he has never been 2nd choice at Chelsea
You make me laugh

@1025,
so RVP will warm the bench at chelsea and Mikel would captain at Arsenal
Abeg give me some of the stuff you are smoking. . . .must be really good Grin

why didn't you add Ashley Cole to your list?
He left Arsenal and he has never been 2nd choice at Chelsea
You make me laugh

@HNIC,
have u talked to fabregas of late? if not try and he will tell u it is a different ball game over there. what about the igwe of arsenal? how many matches in barca before flying to america? do you know how useless sylvestre was to man u before arsenal made him a star signing? do you know about the second coming of sol campbell? ashley cole felt he was good enough to earn a better salary and chelsea confirmed that. if u are doubting my position that mikel will captain arsenal, then read up the story behind william galas who was dashed to arsenal with money on top of his head and immediately became the arsenal captain.
how come u only talk about ashley cole upon all the exports arsenal have made in the recent time.
what van persie is doing at the moment was exactly what nasri did last season. if van persie finished the season on the same note, i will be hear to listen to arsenal fans call him judas next season when he must have left the club.
pls give me the name of any good player that ended his carrier without a trophy to show for it.
every player in arsenal is very very and very good yet, 7 seasons have gone without a trophy - that is madness.
name one player on chelsea bench that will not enjoy a first team football in arsenal and we will take it from there.
look at man city, ur three exports there are languishing on the bench. am talking about toure, nasri and adebayor. is not by mistake. what happens in arsenal is a training section and the real football start when u move to a big club with a big competition.
mikel will captain arsenal if he goes there. tell wenger i said so

@1025,
if only peepe like you knew that chelsea went 50 years without winning the league
and I don't get you, are you saying Adebayor is warming the bench?
and don't you think Arsenal just might be selling dud players to citeh who have all the money to waste?
i mean when u sell a player to a team for millions and he turns out useless, u should be credited for getting rid of waste
Mikel won't even play in Arsenal's youth team, never mind the senior team.
come to think of it when last did your chav team beat Arsenal?

Smh @ 1025
Alan shearer is d most prolific striker in d history of premiershp, wat did he win?? What abt zola??
As of nasri n fabregas, dats wat we call rotatn, wen u av good players in ur team, u rotate n keep everyone fresh
For henry, he had almost past his peak at arsenal, n he had a decent 3 seasons at barca so ur argument is invalid

@HNIC dont mind 1025, he's obssessd wit mikel n chelsea which as impinged his ability to reason objectively

1025 is the epitome of Nigerian Chelsea fans: RETARDED

1025:

@HNIC,
have u talked to fabregas of late? if not try and he will tell u it is a different ball game over there. what about the igwe of arsenal? how many matches in barca before flying to america? do you know how useless sylvestre was to man u before arsenal made him a star signing? do you know about the second coming of sol campbell? ashley cole felt he was good enough to earn a better salary and chelsea confirmed that. if u are doubting my position that mikel will captain arsenal, then read up the story behind william galas who was dashed to arsenal with money on top of his head and immediately became the arsenal captain.
how come u only talk about ashley cole upon all the exports arsenal have made in the recent time.
what van persie is doing at the moment was exactly what nasri did last season. if van persie finished the season on the same note, i will be hear to listen to arsenal fans call him judas next season when he must have left the club.
pls give me the name of any good player that ended his carrier without a trophy to show for it.
every player in arsenal is very very and very good yet, 7 seasons have gone without a trophy - that is madness.
name one player on chelsea bench that will not enjoy a first team football in arsenal and we will take it from there.
[b]look at man city, your three exports there are languishing on the bench. am talking about toure, nasri and adebayor. i[/b]s not by mistake. what happens in arsenal is a training section and the real football start when u move to a big club with a big competition.
mikel will captain arsenal if he goes there. tell wenger i said so

@1025
Sorry for my interruption!
So henry & fabregas went to warm bench at barcelona? Toure still features in city games till dre last match if am right? Adegoat performed whn he got get too and didnt warm d bench until wahala started with his recent coach! good for nasri for warming d bench @ his first season dre
So wot r u talking abt asper arsenal boys dat left for other big clubs?

1025:

[/b]

van persie is delaying his contract talks because he does not trust the club. look at toure, nasri, hleb, reyes, adebayor, flamini and a long list of arsenal players who left at the top of their games but end up as bench warmers in other teams because of competition.
in arsenal, those who make first team list will be on the bench when they face competition.
let van persie move on to other top side and fight for a first team place and u will understand why arsenal is a feeder team.
if players like lampard, torres and malouda find themselves in arsenal, they will play first team football without training.

Gudjohnsen left Chelsea and could only struggle to score 10goals through the
years he played at Barca

Wright Phillips won Manchester City's Young Player of the Year award four times
in succession,his career was wrecked at Chelsea. Worse decision of his life!!  

Arjen Robben became a world class player after he left Chelsea where he struggled
to score just 19goals in his 103appearances. He scored 23goals in his first 37games
for baryern. That is class!!    

Malouda is still struggling at chelsea, yet this was the angel that caught the eyes of the
world when he won French League Player of the year! Scored 10goals that season
A shadow of himself now.    

Kezman played 33 out of 34 of PSV's matches and scored 35 goals. He scored a total 105
goals at PSV. First player in Dutch championship to score more league goals than games in
consecutive seasons. His career was wrecked at Chelsea(7goals in 40apperances).    

Milan's second[b] highest all-time goalscorer(175goals in 296), 2004  Ballon d'Or winner[/b] Shevchenko
His career was wrecked at the Bridge-9goals.  

Ballack was a God in Munich-3time German Footballer of the Year, 2002 UEFA Club Midfielder
of the Year- scored 44 goals in 107games for Bayern but a measily 17 in 105games for chelsea.
How impressive!!!  

Silver Ball winner in the FIFA World Youth Championships MIKEL OBI had a competitor in Messi IN
2005, however today he is been compared with Alex Song! How sad!  sad!