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Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Rosskii: 2:59am On Oct 29, 2017 |
ConcernedRusian: Go to the Zondervan Bible Dictionary and look up the word - Ham ........................... ![]() ''Ham: The youngest son of Noah, born probably about 96 years before the Flood; and one of eight persons to live through the Flood. He became the progenitor of the dark races; not the Negroes, but the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Libyans and Canaanites.'' Did you notice the sentence "not the Negroes?" The children of Ham are what we generally call all black Africans today. But the 'negroes' (forest blacks) are not technically Africans. They are immigrants to Africa. They are the children of Shem. They are the true children of Israel. The original Semites were blacks. Later Semitic groups of West Asia and beyond are descendants of the black proto-Semites. .......................[img]https://arianasiresearch.files./2015/02/unknown.jpeg?w=700[/img] 1 Like |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by BabaRamota1980: 3:08am On Oct 29, 2017 |
Rosskii: A law is an operative, ...a switch with two states! Every law has its taboos and when violated, carry punishment. So there is nothing unique in the Mosaic law you quoted to give attributes for human geo-cultural re-distribution and re-settlement around the world. Before that law and before Moses, laws were passed that warned men of severe outcomes for their disobedience. Also, in human experience, Children of Israel were not the first people to be enslaved. I am not convinced that Children of Israel ended up in West Africa because they went against Moses warning not t disobey God. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by devindevin2000: 3:28am On Oct 29, 2017 |
Rosskii: Typical afonja, any mention of Igbos in goodlight of history, he goes mad like he wants to die, he thinks it's competition and he starts naming other tribes to rally them against Igbos; typical afonja divisive mindset. If you have sense, simple sense, you know that Ibibio and Efik, are a derivative of Igbos...out of Igbo they came to being, that's why we all look alike and share same DNA. Ibibio means " a part or branch of Igbo", I know you did't know this, afonja? You cannot tell the difference between Ibibio and Igbo mere looking at them, but you can tell by a mile the difference between Yorubas or Binis and Ibibio. So stop lumping Efiks, Ibibio with your people...they have nothing in common with you people, and stop dividing us. Wicked things! |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Rosskii: 3:29am On Oct 29, 2017 |
BabaRamota1980: That there is ''nothing unique'' in it does not obviate the story as written. Just as the fact that there is nothing unique about marriage does not obviate the story of a particular marriage. Before that law and before Moses, laws were passed that warned men of severe outcomes for their disobedience. Even if that's true, it's irrelevant. Also, in human experience, Children of Israel were not the first people to be enslaved. It is a question of degree, duration, and magnitude. If you read Deuteronomy 28, and are fully conversant with the history of the trans-atlantic and Arab slave trades, you will never dispute whom exactly those verses were referring to, because as surely as night turns to day, no other race of people has even remotely experienced the descriptions enunciated in those verses, as the forest blacks of West Africa. It also goes beyond slavery. The prophecy includes dramatic economic decline and subservience to other races, and the rise of anti-Israelite (ie anti-black) racism across the world. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Rosskii: 3:46am On Oct 29, 2017 |
devindevin2000: Sorry...who are you? 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by johnnyhandsom(m): 5:28am On Oct 29, 2017 |
nice |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Sapiosexuality(m): 7:59am On Oct 29, 2017 |
Rosskii:No. The moors were into colour based racism before that time. The black Africans that ruled Spain at the time had slaves and this was over before the common era. So, racism has been in a existence. The races had issues and couldn't get along based on skin colour. Their were signposts and jealousy and envy towards other races. The black Egyptians were envied by the white Greece for their knowledge. So, racism has always existed. The only difference is that their was no government backed racism. It was not institutionalized. That's just the difference. Racism has been experiencing an evolution too. From the mild disgust between different races to the keeping of slaves by crackers and the final institutionalization by the systems of governance. So, the council of nicea must have operated with that mild derision for other races and making blacks the subject of worship is highly unlikely. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Etogist: 10:03am On Oct 29, 2017 |
I'm enjoy this. I wish I can have this kind of knowledge. Is Jesus white or black? And is his name really Jesus? |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Nobody: 11:02am On Oct 29, 2017 |
The Old Testament mostly talks about Ethiopians or Cushites. The Biblical and ancient texts Ethiopians were Nubians and some of the present day Ethiopians. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Rosskii: 1:54pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
Etogist: The person known today as Jesus would have been a black man just like the other ancient Israelites. His real name would have been Yahoshua, or something similar, as the letter "J" does not exist in Hebrew, but is in fact English in origin. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Rosskii: 2:08pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality: But you are forgetting that the Council of Nicaea most likely had no choice in the matter, as during their era, EVERYONE KNEW that the Jews were black people. Heck, churches throughout Europe were decorated with images of the 'Black Madonna' - the original negroid images of Mary carrying baby Jesus. It was only in the last few hundred years those images began to be whitened, during the slave trade era to be precise. For how could it be justified that the black people of the Lord were being treated in this inhuman manner? Hence those black images had to be replaced by images of a white Jesus, white Israelites, and even white Egyptians. Also, I am not convinced that colour-based racism existed prior to the 17th century. The moors felt a sense of cultural superiority to the then backward Europeans, but I'm not sure it was based on skin colour. 1 Like |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Rosskii: 2:15pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
Hati13: The Old Testament talks primarily about the Israelites who were blacks just like the Ethiopians, Kushites, Egyptians and Canaanites. "Are ye not as the children of Ethiopia unto me, oh children of Israel?" Amos 9:7 2 Likes |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Rosskii: 8:47pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
DPsalmist2: About time bro.. ![]() Meanwhile, according to the OT, the original Israelites will be RETURNED TO THEIR LAND. It appears that at a future time - perhaps sooner than we think - the present day Israel will give way to a new population - of negroes!! AMOS 9 Israel’s Restoration 11 “In that day “I will restore David’s fallen shelter— I will repair its broken walls and restore its ruins— and will rebuild it as it used to be, 12 so that they may possess the remnant of Edom and all the nations that bear my name,” declares Yahweh, who will do these things. 13 “The days are coming,” declares Yahweh, “when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountains and flow from all the hills, 14 and I will bring my people Israel back from exile. “They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit. 15 I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them,” says Yahweh. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by isalegan2: 9:34pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
Is it safe to conclude that the Black Jews who fled that area to come South to Africa south of the Sahara desert were the Jewry that preceded Rabbinical Judaism? I believe there are two or more periods of what we rethink of as the Jewish religion. Rosskii: I hope some of us can discuss and understand this topic without having to believe in the fable of Noah's Ark, since personally I found it easier to believe in the magic (single) bullet theory that killed JFK and pierced though Governor Connally's body. No offense to anyone or Rossiki. devindevin2000: Lol. Rossiki is not Yoruba. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Rosskii: 9:50pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
isalegan2: Yes, you are correct. The migration of the black Jews into Africa preceded Rabbinic Judaism by about 400 years. Rabbinic Judaism developed from the year 500 AD onwards, several centuries after the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, when the ancient Israelites were dispersed. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Nobody: 9:14am On Oct 30, 2017 |
Rosskii:The ancient Israelis and Ethiopians (Nubians and Cushites) aren't the same, but they were very much related. They both spoken an Afro-Asiatic language with the exception of Nubians and Semites and Cushites are also sister ppl. Ancient Egyptians and Cushites are also sister ppl. Your claim that the ancient Israelites were the ancestors of present day Niger-Congo speakers is wrong. There is no evidence to support it. Some of them may migrated there and intermingled with the locals, but to generally say they are their ancestors isn't right. Afro-Asiatic originated in Western Ethiopia. The Omotics and Cushites settled in East Africa. The Chadics settled in central and west Africa. The ancient Egyptians and Berbers settled in North Africa while the Semites settled in the Middle East and some of them latter migrated to their ancestral home Ethiopia and other East Africa places. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Obi1kenobi(m): 10:20am On Oct 30, 2017 |
![]() ![]() ![]() Inferiority complex has done serious damage to black people. How people can feel no shame appropriating the history and culture of alien groups is beyond me. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by isalegan2: 2:43pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi: I wouldn't be so quick to discount every bit of it. I used to believe there was zero connection between West Africans and Middle Easterners but looking at the Jewish exodus and the history of Oduduwa in Yorubaland, plus too many other historical "coincidences," I feel we can only benefit from more studies about the topic. Have you not seen in the last month how quickly an entire people can be displaced due to climate or war? Look at the result of the storms in Puerto Rico and the other island that was 99% destroyed. What of the migration of an entire people like the Rohingas in Asia? Knowledge is power. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Rosskii: 3:25pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
isalegan2: Don't bother with obi1kenobi. His job on this forum is to attack all African history that is not based on western stereotypes of Tarzan, primitive savagery etc. He will never accept anything written on this thread. He will ignore all the evidence posted, and then claim there is no evidence. Of that you can be certain. So don't waste your time or energy on him. He's a paid agent of the whitewashers of our history. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Obi1kenobi(m): 3:26pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
isalegan2: This is little different from saying I shouldn't be so quick to discount the existence of pink unicorns and the flying spaghetti monster. African groups - in this case, Niger-Congo groups - and their Black American descendants, do not have much by way of a deep history due to the relative illiteracy of our ancestors and reliance on oral traditions with the unfortunate consequence that this history of ours was never properly codified for posterity. This has given rise to a certain mass delusion of modern African groups who look to fill the knowledge gaps in their history with fantasies. Fantasies of Jewish links are particularly popular. There are few things i hate as an Igbo man more than kinsmen claiming to be Jews and carrying Israeli flags and evoking Jewish imagery. And that is very common among Igbos. It's not enough to simply say humans migrate all the time, so our ancestors must have migrated. You have to establish a coherent narrative that can fill in the where and when and how and why of these patterns and connect the dots. There's absolutely nothing in documented history, DNA/genetic links, physical resemblance or ethno-linguistic similarities to link us with cultures in the Levant. We have to stop this madness. I remember there was a thread several months ago where me and one other poster irritated with these Jewish links took on a guy that was copying and pasting so-called linguistic similarities between Hebrew and Igbo. Of the 20 words he copied from a charlatan's book with these fanciful claims, simple research using a Hebrew dictionary and scrutinizing every possible conjugation and factoring context prove every single claim was a fraud. Every. Single. One. I was even thinking when we started it that maybe 3 or 4 may be correct and I'd attribute this to simple coincidence, but every single one was not even close to being true. It's bizarre that even Palestinians, Jordanians, some Syrian tribes etc (close Semitic cousins of Jews) don't go around claiming to be Jewish descendants. Yet, a bunch of Niger-Congo black people thousands of miles away from the Levant with no proven links of even having stepped foot on the Sahara, much less crossed the Mediterranean, will be here claiming they're Jews. 1 Like |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Bizibi(m): 3:32pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Mtcheeeeewww,I careless about race.it doesn't change the fact that Africa is still lagging back....... |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Obi1kenobi(m): 3:39pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Rosskii: No. My job is simply to hold everyone to what is true and provable. Every culture has been primitive and savage before. The Nordic and Germanic nations were once the backwaters of European civilization, while Southern Europeans along the Mediterranean were at the forefront of the advancement of European civilization. Today, those Nordic/Germanic countries (Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland etc) are the envy of European civilization and Southern Europe is a mess. Those backward countries learnt from the more cultured Southern territories. The Vikings for example were basically civilized by the same people they conquered. They are not insecure people who go around claiming their ancestors were Romans or Greeks or Jews or Ottomans etc. Be proud of your heritage and stop promoting a fraud. I see you keep posting those your Assyrian pictures that apparently portray black hair even though I once debunked it and showed Assyrian relief art often portrayed human and animal hair like that. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Rosskii: 3:44pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi: You are a paid liar and a criminal. Repost the Assyrian images you claim to have used to 'debunk' anything. Don't do anything else till you have done that. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by TheKingdom: 3:46pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Sorry OP, but we cant do much with this write up. The Nigger Area is on fire and we need to address that |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Rosskii: 3:51pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
TheKingdom: Reserve such racist terminology for your wretched, worthless self and your family. Leave us out of your self-loathing. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Obi1kenobi(m): 3:52pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Rosskii: Google is always your friend, Mr: https://www.google.com.ng/search?q=assyrian+relief+sculptures&rlz=1C1AZAA_enNG748NG748&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwimjLWTzJjXAhVI7hoKHRKcC64Q_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=676 The internet is a powerful tool. Learn to use it with wisdom and discernment, rather than spreading lies with cherry-picked images. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by TheKingdom: 3:58pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Rosskii: Racist terminology? What is more racist than your President abandoning his country for 100 days to stay in British Hospitals, a place he has gone to twice before that... Can that happen in OYIBO countries? Can Queen Eliza come to Ikeja General Hospital for even 1 hour for ear infection? What about her majesty doing Python dance in Man City? Then another Operation in Leeds, and yet another in Edinburgh... without approvals from so-called parliament and the likes... You must have forgotten where the name of your country came from, and WHO COINED IT. That person did not look like you, and yet you continue to be PROUD to tell the world how you continue to accept that shameful name, called Nigger Area.... FACTS.....dont cry about it |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Rosskii: 4:00pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi: Criminal, there is nothing in those images that disproves anything posted above. The hair on the head of the Assyrian men is long and flowing, while the hair on the heads of the Jews is short and curly, or in short dreadlocks. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Rosskii: 4:05pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
TheKingdom: Dude, please take your wretched inferiority complex and disappear from this thread. Why did you come here? What relevance has this thread to Man City and Queen Elizabeth? Are you high on cocaine or something? Just get out of this place and go look for somewhere else to display your self-hatred. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Obi1kenobi(m): 4:05pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Rosskii: What a load of horseshiit. ![]() The only difference in the artistic portrayals is the longer hair and longer beards for the Assyrians. The texture is the same. If you claim the Jewish hair portrayed is curly or dreadlocks, you can say exactly the same for the Assyrian hair. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by Rosskii: 4:13pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi: ASSYRIAN ![]() ISRAELITE ![]() Someone please get obi1kenobi a pair of glasses. He thinks the two hair textures above are ''the same''. |
Re: The Bible Is An African History Book - Discuss. by blackhinstan: 4:21pm On Oct 30, 2017 |
Trying to equate The Word of God as a History or literature?? You Must be Sick Better stay clear of the Holy Book you are not taught to read it spiritually |
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