Devonian:

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? (1 Corinthians 6:2).

It is this attitude of "Leave him/her for God to judge" which has destroyed Nigeria. Rather than make people accountable for whatever they've done wrong, ssome of us Nigerians often say, let's leave him/her alone, God would judge, and things would continue to degenerate to the point where Pastors would engage in 419 activities and GOs would say nothing. What has the GO of the RCCG officially declared in relation to his pastors misbehaving at national and international levels? Shall we continue to sin and ask that grace abound? Thank gosh, I've turned my back on the church.

Devonian:

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? (1 Corinthians 6:2).
It is this attitude of "Leave him/her for God to judge" which has destroyed Nigeria. Rather than make people accountable for whatever they've done wrong, ssome of us Nigerians often say, let's leave him/her alone, God would judge, and things would continue to degenerate to the point where Pastors would engage in 419 activities and GOs would say nothing. What has the GO of the RCCG officially declared in relation to his pastors misbehaving at national and international levels? Shall we continue to sin and ask that grace abound? Thank gosh, I've turned my back on the church.

KunleOshob:

Prior to now, I had always given Adeboye the benefit of doubt labelling him as a genuine pastor but sorrounded with charlatans and crooks but with the drivel he wrote in his money spinning "open heavens" on the 17th march 2010 posted by the OP and independently verified by myself, I can confirm with all confidence that Adeboye as digenerated to the level of a fraud and common crook like oyaks and he has already condenmed himself for the sake of filthy lucre.

Open Heavens Wed 17th March One Hundred Fold Return:


. . . when you give to [size=16pt]genuine church founders[/size] . . .

CHARLOE:

  By d posts am seeing here its obvious pple are begining to shine their eye well-well! I for one used to respect 'daddy' alot, that's  until of recent. He looks so calm and gentle, talks softly and dresses simple; u just can't help but respect him (there're many others like him around, no need mentioning names). I started having doubts when i heard him say some strange, unlikely 'miracles'. Deep down my heart i found them hard to believe (am sure u've heard some urself).
  Needless to say, Nigerians fear their pastors like God, pastors should be respected not feared, FEAR GOD ONLY! It has gotten to d extent they don't want to hear anything -ve bout their pastors, even when they're true. On d day of d morning devotion i mentioned earlier, when i pointed this error out, a hot argument ensued with my siblings. Pst adeboye is so feared/respected in my family nobody wanted to hear me out, to them he can do no wrong. Unfortunately, alot of xtians are like that, their papa/G.O. is superhuman and can do no wrong, always quick in comparing them to old testament prophets of old- Elija, Elisha and so on.  So anything he says, true & false, is swallowed hook, line & sinker by their gullible and pathetic followers, like zombies.
  I want to encourage us to 'prove all things' like d bible says, fear no man but God, 'By their fruits u shall know them'. Let's maximise d power of d internet and expose these LIONS IN SHEEP CLOTHING. I believe we can start an online revolution against these men of god 'dog' and the corrupt, evil rulers/politicians working against d progress of this nation. (funny enough, these 2 classes of pple work hand-in-hand TO IMPOVERISH NIGERIANS). Their relationship is mutually beneficial, if u know what i mean. Right now, i'm just so filled with 'righteous indignation'!

Devonian:


@ CHARLOE: IN ADDITION TO AGREEING WITH EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID, I RESPECT YOUR COURAGE, HONESTY, INTELLIGENCE AND CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM IN BRINGING THIS TO LIGHT.

CHARLOE:

  @ Petres 007, enigma, kunle, real truth, devonian and co, tanx so much for your contributions. It's so good to know there're still pple/xtians out there who are not high on d (religion) drug. I'm looking 4 bros like u guys, who seek d truth, who fear no man but God,  to study scriptures together in order to know d truth about things like - d sabbath, born again, d kingdom of God, d Law etc. Starting a thread soon, u guys shld pls join in. Once again, tanx and God bless u.  

REAL TRUTH:

The annoying thing is that there hundreds of thousands of RCCG members that would read through these stuff and would never see the wrong in it because RELIGION has blindfolded them,,,,the Bible call them " Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth"
Thank God am not attached to any pastor worshipping crowds,,,

Devonian:

Absolutely true! This is becuase, those RCCG members who woulld not respond here are ostensibly suffering from the paralysis of their intellectual imagination, which is the end product of the phenomenon called indoctrination.

petres_007:

@Devonian, Do you mind explaining what that means? 

Devonian:


In Moral and Political Philosophy as well as in Philosophy of Education, it is said that when indoctrination has successfully taken place one or more of the following happens. (1) the absence of any rational justification for one’s beliefs or values; (2) the inability to justify one’s beliefs or values; and, (3) the inability to consider alternatives. So, when people hold on to a belief (secular or religious): (a) just because the Pastor/Priest/Bishop/Pope or GO says so, FULL STOP; (b) without being able to clearly articulate reasons for holding such beliefs (even when there are acceptable reasons for holding such beliefs); and, (c) failing to consider alternative viewpoints, one major conclusion that can be drawn is that the individual is ostensibly suffering from the paralysis of his/her intellectual imagination.

KunleOshob:

It's quite instructive that none of the numerous RCCG members on this forum as been able to come out and defend the scrilegeous/dubious wrttings of their G.O, perhaps they are not as badly brainwashed as the zombies in CEC, if it was a post against that notorious con man that goesby the name Oyakhilome all hell would have broken loose on this forum by now as they would be trying to out do themselves in defense of the criminal.

KunleOshob:

It's quite instructive that none of the numerous RCCG members on this forum as been able to come out and defend the scrilegeous/dubious wrttings of their G.O, perhaps they are not as badly brainwashed as the zombies in CEC, if it was a post against that notorious con man that goesby the name Oyakhilome all hell would have broken loose on this forum by now as they would be trying to out do themselves in defense of the criminal.

ogajim:

I don't see anyway I can defend this even if I had a law degree. I have worshiped at a couple of RCCG Churches for the past 3 years or so but don't see myself as a recipient of that indoctrination because I simply don't fall for cheap tricks, it's been a matter of me following the Barean practice of checking the facts and not do follow follow. The praise and worship is what draws me there and I have always maintained that a building is not where one gets Salvation, I hear some of their Sermons and go "hhhhhmmmm" where was that in the Bible?
One has to be strong spiritually these days to attend Nigerian Churches because of the nonsense they preach as well as their GREED to fleece the flock of their hard earned Dollar. I guess I am not a "traditional" member in the sense that I won't defend OBVIOUS LIES.

petres_007:

I thank God for you. . .

Just consider yourself extremely lucky.

kola oloye:

Jesus is Lord.

@ KunleOshob,
I've always enjoyed your contribution since i came to NLD but the only problem i have
with you is the way you normally judge the so-called men of God.It is not fair.
Please repent.

Devonian:

What this generation of church leaders need to realise is that by the time people wake up to reality or shall I say become liberated, the number of people that are likely to reject Christianity and all it stands for might outweigh those in the western world, leading to a sharp decline in church attendance. See what the Church of England has become in terms of church attendance. Many of its church buildings had been closed down. These have been desecrated having been converted into pubs, disco halls, community centres, Mosques, Hindu and Sikh Temples. A few had been bought over by Celestial Church of Christ and other African Indigenous Churches or Black majority Churches in the UK. In fact, Islam is gradually taking over parts of EU (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1544238/Islam-is-taking-over-says-Dutch-politician.html ) including the UK (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1054909/Have-babies-Muslims-UK-hate-fanatic-says-warning-comes-9-11-UK.html; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8555538.stm ). If you go to York Minster in the City of York, UK, that is the very place where Constantine the Great was declared Emperor. And, through the Edict of Milan (313), Christianity (which hitherto was a religio ilicita, i.e illegal religion) was declared religio licita, i.e. legal religion, by Constantine the Great. It is in this same UK, where churches are now closing down. Indeed, if you momentarily take black dominated churches in the UK out of the equation, I doubt if the number of practising Muslims wouldn’t outweigh Christians. I suppose the point ‘am making is that, by the time those Pentecostal Christians would wake up to the reality and possibly desert the church, Muslims might then take over Nigeria through Christians’ self-destruct. Then, these GOS, Pastors must stand before God’s throne to face His wrath.

And another good pt u made about d many seeds he must have sown to 'daddy' d 'HIGH PRIEST'

kola oloye:

Jesus is Lord.

@ KunleOshob,
I've always enjoyed your contribution since i came to NLD but the only problem i have
with you is the way you normally judge the so-called men of God.It is not fair.
Please repent.

Devonian:

You sound very, very deluded. What precisely are you admonishing KunleOshob to repent of? Presumably of critiquing Pastors and GOs. You're certainly one of those "Touch not my annointed" SOMBIs on NL. Let me tell you, David was not merely (the second) king and ruler of all Israel, he was also a prophet. Yet, he committed two heinous crimes: adultery and murder. If you can’t remember the rest of the story, Nathan cleverly accused him and David ultimately realised his follies. Yes, he confessed and repented of his sins. However, God not only dealt with or punished David in his own way ("You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. Now, therefore, the sword will never depart from your house, because you despised Me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own." Nathan then informs David that his child with Bathsheba must die. Indeed, their first child dies after seven days), but also forgave him. The shepherd’s staff is for striking the sheep in the same manner that it’s used to drawn the sheep unto the shepherd. I'll rather prefer you direct your repentance admonition to these Pastors and GOs wallowing in shamefull stuff.

The only thing you don't understand is this: Using abusive language on elderly people is not a good trait
and is not in our culture.
Although i don't know how old Kunle is but if any of these men of God is old enough to be his brother,
he ought to address them with respect.

Now concerning the matter at hand,I'm neither for or against.Whatever your spirit ask you to do,please do.
My major concern is this:If we notice any man of God going astray what we ought to do is to be praying for such person.
No human being is perfect including you. 

And remember "two wrongs can never make a right".