MizMyColi:


I taya o o.

I see myself as an extension, a part of this divinity, God if you may, which humanity has tried so much to decipher. It is why I can proclaim that as he is, so am I.....it's more of a desire. Something I am, but still wish to attain. Is that a paradox or an irony?

I recognize a discourse whose inherent motive is to box me in a corner, and I treat for what it is.

How can you ask me to define someone abi is it something I am no longer sure exists in the way I was taught.

Would that not be akin to playing to a gallery or even deceiving myself?

I don't know, but I wish to know...or re-know, perhaps un-know, then know.

Honestly, when you finally, or let me say, when you begin to let go of dogmatic understanding, it tends to get upsetting.

It"s like you become an angry bird (which is what I suspect I am now)

You become that way because there is no anchor of sorts anymore.

And until you find some calm, and deliberately breathe in and out, thereby going within, and connecting with the very essence of your life in some kind of middle point, then you might continue to feel that unrest, which may later morph into aloofness.

As much as I like defining things and having answers, there are just somethings that are beyond me at the moment, and I kinda like it.

It makes me aspire, y'know, like wanting to reach out for more.

What am I even saying

MizMyColi:
No, it is you who still don't get.
I do not wish to define something which outside of me, is totally beyond me, I prefer to live it as the mystery that it is.

MizMyColi:
Just so we are clear
Which God do you refer to.
Which is it that you want me to define.

MizMyColi:
I beg to differ, but, So?

MizMyColi:
I don't know.

MizMyColi:
I am not interested.

MizMyColi:
That is all you should know from me about this discourse

MizMyColi:
There is a difference between "can" and "will"

Mujtahida:
Once you define God you have fallen into the trap of the religions. Even Christianity doesn't define God.
It only ascribes divine attributes to him

MizMyColi:
I taya o o.

I see myself as an extension, a part of this divinity, God if you may, which humanity has tried so much to decipher. It is why I can proclaim that as he is, so am I.....it's more of a desire. Something I am, but still wish to attain. Is that a paradox or an irony?

I recognize a discourse whose inherent motive is to box me in a corner, and I treat for what it is.

How can you ask me to define someone abi is it something I am no longer sure exists in the way I was taught.

Would that not be akin to playing to a gallery or even deceiving myself?

I don't know, but I wish to know...or re-know, perhaps un-know, then know.

Honestly, when you finally, or let me say, when you begin to let go of dogmatic understanding, it tends to get upsetting.

It"s like you become an angry bird (which is what I suspect I am now)

You become that way because there is no anchor of sorts anymore.

And until you find some calm, and deliberately breathe in and out, thereby going within, and connecting with the very essence of your life in some kind of middle point, then you might continue to feel that unrest, which may later morph into aloofness.

As much as I like defining things and having answers, there are just somethings that are beyond me at the moment, and I kinda like it.

It makes me aspire, y'know, like wanting to reach out for more.

What am I even saying

Mujtahida:

Remember to keep the flow, be in the flow and be one with the flow. Even in the mystery of unknowing one still comes to know. Even in the flow one finds a still point. Do you know that the eye(as in the centre) of a storm is always calm?
once you know, mystery disappears, once you stand still you stand the danger of getting stuck. So I say go with the flow, allow the mystery. That's the only way to stay involved and not be sucked into the pipe of aloofness. Don't be boxed in a corner. Wild child, that's what we are. Indian Nobel prize poet Rabidranath Tagore said that the Eternal cry is more. More, more, more. That's why you must keep moving with your centre, keep moving into your center. Let it go on and on or like Celine Dion sang your heart(your center) will go on

Here's Enya's Wild child

Wild Child
Enya
LYRICS
Ever close your eyes
Ever stop and listen
Ever feel alive
And you've nothing missing
You don't need a reason
Let the day go on and on
Let the rain fall down
Everywhere around you
Give into it now
Let the day surround you
You don't need a reason
Let the rain go on and on

What a day, what a day to take to
What a way, what a way to make it through
What a day, what a day to take to a wild child

Only take the time
From the helter skelter
Every day you find
Everything's in kilter
You don't need a reason
Let the day go on and on

Every summer sun
Every winter evening
Every spring to come
Every autumn leaving
You don't need a reason
Let it all go on and on

What a day, what a day to take to
What a way, what a way to make it through
What a…

MuttleyLaff:
I disconcur with the post.
I have learnt to rephrase "define" to say "describe"

The only religion seen as true and faultless has nothing to do with rituals, nothing to do with.

Wasn't at all asking about a Christian perspective of God
I was asking of what a MizMyColi or a Mujtahida of this world has got to know thinks, figured out, grasped what God is and what god(s) are

Having divine attributes ascribed unto, is not a monopoly nor something God only enjoys

Mujtahida:
Okay describe is better than define.
But even that would be difficult for me except you want me to describe what I have read about God because personally I have no experience of God such that I can describe him.

Mujtahida:

Remember to keep the flow, be in the flow and be one with the flow. Even in the mystery of unknowing one still comes to know. Even in the flow one finds a still point. Do you know that the eye(as in the centre) of a storm is always calm?
once you know, mystery disappears, once you stand still you stand the danger of getting stuck. So I say go with the flow, allow the mystery. That's the only way to stay involved and not be sucked into the pipe of aloofness. Don't be boxed in a corner. Wild child, that's what we are. Indian Nobel prize poet Rabidranath Tagore said that the Eternal cry is more. More, more, more. That's why you must keep moving with your centre, keep moving into your center. Let it go on and on or like Celine Dion sang your heart(your center) will go on

MizMyColi:
Okay Muttleylaff.

I see it's no longer define, but now describe.

Ehn ehn

Let me see if I can coin a description.

I have to add though...
This description....it is nothing compared to what divinity really is. In shot I dunno.
But let me try.

When I think of God...Father I prefer.

I think of a being who is filled with nothing short of love in its truest, purest sense. (Even I cannot fully grasp the depth of this statement).

I think of a being who is filled with indescribable power, ernomous awesomeness, and magnificence; Light, pure, light. (Bible might have influenced this thinking)

I also picture him and myself as royalty.
So powerful a being, but when we are together, it's like he just ordinary, like a loving father who dotes on his carefree girl child.

I'm aware how soooo powerful he is, yet, he relates to me like an ordinary person...more like bringing himself to my level while maintaining all that load of awesomeness.

When I seek to reconnect or realign with divinity within..
I feel this powerful wave of calm, of quiet strength, deep love, compassion, joy, laughter, glowing eyes, sometimes it gets ticklish as well, I feel full of power, like there's nothing that's impossible.

Mehn, it's real, it's alive.
phew!!

I should stop here.

Now, you tell me about yours.

MuttleyLaff:
Not so fast Jose with half done work
Describe the nouns God and god(s)
with god(s), as in, being all you understand a god to be

PS: Me like. It's interesting all you wrote about God.
Can't wait to read what you'll pen about god(s)

MuttleyLaff:
Mujta', that's cool by me.
Just do it, to the best of your effort and as if your life depends on it.
I don't want you to hold back.
Muster all your strength, squeeze out every drop and drop ounce.
I don't have a glass chin so be free to give me your best shot or jab.
Whatever you've read, whatever you've experienced, whatever you've sensed whatever you've learned, whatever you know, whatever you've come to realise.

This isn't a trick request.
and I don't buy it is something difficult to do

There are no rules, hence the departure from defining or definition
Just tell me about the nouns; God and god(s)
I'll like to see examples and or illustrations being part of your narrative.

Mujtahida:

You sabi. You are so well read on these matters. Makes me really curious about what you. One thing though : I wish you'd talk about spiritual things without the jargons as in terms like astral, metaphysical, esoteric, exoteric, arcana etc.
I see spiritual matters as natural as the air we breathe. I like a spirituality that talks about the sun, the moon, the seasons, the grasses of the fields, the rain, the deserts, the hills and mountains, the thunder, the cry of the the Eagle as it soars in the winds, the song of birds, the wild animals, the call of the wild, the birthing of a child, dance, laughter, love, light in the eyes, the tenderness of a smile, the bitterness of a heartbreak, death, fear, disappointments, depression, darkness, hope, songs. As in a spirituality that takes in the whole panorama of our lives on earth and gives it depth. For me nature is spiritual.

Mujtahida:


Well I see your interpretation of 'the fall' is outside the bounds of the biblical definition. Good enough. Tired of hearing about sin, sin, sin. Sin to me is hurting myself or hurting people and repentance is asking those you have hurt to forgive you and stopping the hurtful act or words. I do not believe in sinning against God. Sin is a control grid. Once one gets locked in it it's hard to get out of it. It's an effective tool of control.

hopefulLandlord:


This is so true, that's why Christians, when cornered, would define "god" in a way that a Muslim, Hindu, pastafarian etc can define theirs

Christians have tried to monopolize the common noun, "god," as if it refers specifically to the still very dead Jewish carpenter. They play this wonderful game of bait and switch where they argue for the theoretical existence of "a god," (eg "god obviously designed the universe" and then quietly slip in "their god" into the equation. It's just more of those deceptive and dishonest "Christian values" we hear so much about.

Sarassin:


Thank you once again. Perhaps I am guilty as charged and given to overuse of Jargon but I try to be specific and precise as to my meaning and intentions. For me spirituality encompasses both nature and supernature, I see the spirituality in the graceful movement of an eagle as it soars across the skies, equally I fathom the spirituality in the blazing eyes of a sorcerer as he re-arranges the universe to conform to his will. Spirituality is what it is, there are no limits except those we impose on ourselves.

Here's something I often meditate on : "Perfection is not for the pure of soul; There may be virtue in sin."

MizMyColi:


@Emboldened
I could use a fellowship of more people like you.
Well, it gets better, no?

I like the perspective you bring.

Hahahahahaha
Now you speak of Enya, I remember with fondness how my mentors of the day demonized her.

I should listen to her sometime.
I used to be a fan of music, yeah?
But lately, not so much, there was a time when I needed music to meditate; to go within.

Nowadays, I find it is easier to just go in when I want to. That's growth I think

Looool
I doubt I have a choice...
I have to go with the flow.
Trust me, I know what I mean.
It's like a pull.

MizMyColi:
I don't know about gods biko.
Hian.

The one I thought I know, I am still coming to terms with,
and you are asking me about other gods, biko I don't know.

To each his own.

Mujtahida:
Then I'd say God is the isness, the hereness, the allness for us, with us, in us, unknown, unknowable.

MuttleyLaff:
Flowery.
There is nothing so fatal to character as half tasks
You left out the other part about god(s)

Mujtahida:

Yeah I think as time goes on non religious people will start meeting in Nigeria too but I have realised that once structures are put on the spiritual it dies. I wish I could have someone who we could just seat down quietly together and meditate without saying a word.

People say Enya is demonic. But I trust you know by now that that is a code word for lack of understanding. What people do not understand, they demonise. Enya sings in gaelic which is a richly poetic language and of course many do not understand.

As far as music is concerned I have very weird taste of music but whatever the genre if I do feel poetry in it I don't listen to it.
You are amazing though

MizMyColi:


Well, starting a meeting is cool.
It's great when like minds rub.
But what I do not subscribe to is all that offering, tithe, donation, contribution gig.

Like you said, I have desired too to have some kind of meet where we just meditate. I figure it would help me with consistency.

I was at this brink of creating a thread and calling for a WhatsApp group gig for people of like minds.
But something always stops me.
No matter how noble the idea, I could be opening myself and other innocents to nonsensicalities.

So far, so good, in my life, I have met awesome people. AWESOME.
I didn't ask for them per se, they just happened.
One of my friends believes it's a soul thing.
More like soul agreements that we meet certain people at certain times in our lives. When their purpose is done, they move on....and we move on too.

I quite agree @Enya.

Oh well, per music, I am genreless.
The kind of music I enjoy lately, if I were told that I would someday, I woulda given the person HolyGhost slaps

Ohhhh, really? Am I now?
Many thanks.

I think you are too.

Mujtahida:

The Abrahamic religions promote a dominant solitary God exclusive to its adherents in contrast to the tolerance of the polytheistic religions. Someone said that Indian polytheism with its many gods never knew a religious war for thousands of years. But now fundamentalism has crept into Hinduism in reaction to Islam.
It's not for nothing that the Abrahamic religions have fought so many wars- their histories is filled with carnage, pillage and bloodletting. Exclusivity over such a 'precious thing as God' is bound to cause enmity, rivalry, the desire to impose and control, resistance and eventually war.

But the adherents of this religions rarely look outside their religions. Christians do not know that so called miracles exists in other religions or even if they do they ascribe it to the devil. They do not know that speaking in tongues predated Pentecost and was well known in the ancient world as glossalia, they do not know that even without Christ Buddhist monks have an ineffable sense of place and tranquillity which many Christians as 'children of God' do not have even with all their prayers and fasting.
Below are some of the most popular pictures in the world :A young Buddhist monk burned himself to death in Saigon's Market Square, to protest the government's religious policies in1963. He sat down in the famous lotus position without flinching one bit, without uttering so much as even a whimper as the flames grind his body to ashes. Amazingly his heart was not burnt. it was intact. Isn't that miraculous? What deep peace and fortitude. Away with the lies of exclusivity. I'm sure if any people or group claims that the sun belongs to them we'd laugh them to scorn, so also should we treat any religion that lays exclusive claims on God.

Mujtahida:

We are the gods. Good, bad, holy, pure, happy, sad, rich, poor, truthful, deceptive. We are the individualised isness of God. God says I am that I am. Man in describing himself also says I AM.....

MuttleyLaff:
It's alright, I think it’s beautiful all you wrote about God

What good are wings without the courage to fly
Dont worry, it's not really hard or difficult to talk about or describe god(s)
It is a reality there is God and "to each his own" god(s)

Mujtahida:

Church for non religious people. Nahhhh. People just meet, meditate and go home. Have you heard about egregores? Sarassin have you?

Mujtahida:

Church for non religious people. Nahhhh. People just meet, meditate and go home. Have you heard about egregores


Nonsensicalities always comes up not to talk of the accusations about forming a satanic cult. Not to scare you though. I always toy with the idea too. Possibly start with my small family but my SO though not a religious person doesn't buy into meditation stunts.


We attract what we are

Mujtahida:
The Abrahamic religions promote a dominant solitary God exclusive to its adherents in contrast to the tolerance of the polytheistic religions. Someone said that Indian polytheism with its many gods never knew a religious war for thousands of years. But now fundamentalism has crept into Hinduism in reaction to Islam.
It's not for nothing that the Abrahamic religions have fought so many wars- their histories is filled with carnage, pillage and bloodletting. Exclusivity over such a 'precious thing as God' is bound to cause enmity, rivalry, the desire to impose and control, resistance and eventually war.

But the adherents of this religions rarely look outside their religions. Christians do not know that so called miracles exists in other religions or even if they do they ascribe it to the devil.
They do not know that speaking in tongues predated Pentecost and was well known in the ancient world as glossalia

Mujtahida:
they do not know that even without Christ Buddhist monks have an ineffable sense of place and tranquillity which many Christians as 'children of God' do not have even with all their prayers and fasting.
Below are some of the most popular pictures in the world :
A young Buddhist monk burned himself to death in Saigon's Market Square, to protest the government's religious policies in 1963.
He sat down in the famous lotus position without flinching one bit, without uttering so much as even a whimper as the flames grind his body to ashes. Amazingly his heart was not burnt. it was intact.
Isn't that miraculous? What deep peace and fortitude. Away with the lies of exclusivity.
I'm sure if any people or group claims that the sun belongs to them we'd laugh them to scorn,
so also should we treat any religion that lays exclusive claims on God.

Mujtahida:
Once you define God you have fallen into the trap of the religions.
Even Christianity doesn't define God. It only ascribes divine attributes to him.

hopefulLandlord:
This is so true, that's why Christians, when cornered, would define "god" in a way that a Muslim, Hindu, pastafarian etc can define theirs

Christians have tried to monopolize the common noun, "god" as if it refers specifically to the still very dead Jewish carpenter.
They play this wonderful game of bait and switch where they argue for the theoretical existence of "a god," (eg "god obviously designed the universe"
and then quietly slip in "their god" into the equation.
It's just more of those deceptive and dishonest "Christian values" we hear so much about

MizMyColi:
Soooo

I've wondered what inspired the moniker
Mujtahida.

This is meant to make you laugh.

I first came across the moniker on the super eagles thread when Dave drew me out of hiding.
And in my mind I'm like "this one na stark Muslim"
See name!

It conjures some Jihadist who fights Allah's holy wars.
One to be feared at that.

When I first saw the moniker mention me, I could feel a bit of "huh what is this one going to say to me kwanu"
And then as I read your discourse, it dawned on me I was wrong, utterly wrong.


Soooo, pray tell, what's the story behind the sobriquet?

Sarassin:


Yes, I am familiar with egregores.

I would also add that people do not have to actually meet in order to meditate together. A specific time can be appointed and a specific issue can be meditated upon by groups of people distanced apart.

MuttleyLaff:
And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard.
- Matthew 6:7

I am not holding brief for Christians
however it has to be said, that what was practiced in the ancient world which is glossalia did predate the occurrence speaking in tongues that happened on Pentecost day
Christians did not only hijack glossalia but took ownership of it, to pass as speaking in tongues
The sad thing is, the one thing warned against, as seen in Matthew 6:7 above, is exactly just what Christians taken a shine and delight to

Are you familiar with, ever heard or read about Wim Hof